Metabolic Type and ER4YT Diets archives

Day 3 for the E Brigade

Posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 08:37:08:

Good morning ladies and Robert,

Hope everyone is doing well this morning. My headache is finally going away, but I have some minor intestinal discomfort (does that mean anything Robert?). Maybe it was because I ate too much trout last night (one pound at dinner). I had some mild discomfort last night too, about an hour after I ate it.

Anyway, still kind of achy and my joints are still sore. But I did notice one strange thing this morning after I got up. My heart seemed to be beating real slow, so I checked my pulse - it was only 70! I have never had a pulse this low (usually resting for me is in the 80's or 90's). Robert, could it be because I haven't had any refined carbs. since Thursday?

I think I'll make some lamb this evening, because I just feel like I need more fat (I know that's why I ate a whole pound of trout last night).

So Robert, the worst of the symptoms we are all experiencing may start to abate this evening? Is there anything else on the horizon that we should be prepared for (as far as withdrawal or clearing is concerned)? As always, thanks so much for your help and for being there for all of us as we go through this!

Sara


Follow Ups:


Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 28, 1999 at 10:12:00:

In Reply to: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 08:37:08:

Good morning all, I am doing very well this morning. Although I did have a bout with insomnia last night. Had to get up and let the dog out and stepped outside to grab a log to throw on the fire. So I got good and awake and then had problems falling back to sleep. This really has not been too bad for me. I do find that I am more braced, I think it is the stress of not doing my ususal go grab a few chocolate chips to munch on. In general, my brain feels more full than it usually is... and my brain tends to be pretty full of stuff most of the time anyway. I see why you would not want to start SR while you were doing this diet. I feel like it is bit more of a challenge during this process. As my mind is really racing.

Last night I was lying in bed thinking maybe I will try the fish broth.... I want some warm liquid. Meat sounds really GOOD right so I am envious of you Sara if you do the lamb. I emailed Charlie in Washington DC and asked if he could figure out a way to bring home some lamb from there. Our groceries don't carry it. And the closest place that I know of to get it is 1 1/2 hour drive. Bob, if that makes sense that would be the first food item I would like to test. It sounds so delicious.

I started reading BioBalance last night. It is really helpful to see his work. Bob thanks for the explanation regarding mixed vs. H-G... I suppose there might be a tad bit of wishful thinking on part to be able to get away with lighter fare at times :-) Thanks for all your help. Ladies, I hope you all are feeling fine today.
Denise

PS: my parsnips for breakfast are kind of pithy :-(




Follow Ups:


Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 11:23:35:

In Reply to: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 08:37:08:

Sara,

It sounds as if you are starting to clear.

Clearing is a multi-faceted phenomenon. You cease to feel the intense cravings that are driven by food allergies. You feel calmer and more relaxed (I never took my pulse when I did the elimination diet but I can see where this coincides with what you are experiencing).

Nothing much to look forward to except the fact that you should accumulate more good things as you continue to clear during the next 4 days. We'll have to keep an eye out for the 'echo' effect -- probably on day 7 or 8. That's been the only prominent thing that Trish has experienced. Beyond the possibility of that I would think that the worst is over -- at least for now.

You might find as you test foods that you have a couple of hyper-acute responses which will be interesting.

I'd strongly suggest that you also use the pulse test to help you quantify your reactions to newly re-introduced foods.

Bob


Follow Ups:


Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 11:30:05:

In Reply to: Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Denise Wyrick on February 28, 1999 at 10:12:00:

Denise,

Lamb is always a good test food for H-G's since few folks react to it. In general we're better adapted to it than beef.

Sounds as if you haven't yet begun to clear. That's alright, it's normal to take 4-5 days. Sara is just a fast clearer.

I'm glad that you got BioBalance. Wiley doesn't draw the anthropology based parallels but he does have a very compelling arguement why some diets do and don't work.

Bob


Follow Ups:


Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 28, 1999 at 11:52:05:

In Reply to: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 08:37:08:

I'm not doing so great. I just can't eat these foods any longer. Friday's lunch was the last "meal" I've eaten. Since then I have just been picking at food. I've tried making myself eat more, but just can't. Since there is several more days to go, I'm very tempted to just start with one of diets and forget about determinining my allergies. I'm staving.

I started a headache yesterday and it is still with me. Still have aches and fatigue, but I can deal with all that. I just need something else to eat.

Robert, what are the foods allowed for an Agriculturist?


Follow Ups:


Robert, another question

Posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 12:10:28:

In Reply to: Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 11:23:35:

Bob,

Well, actually a couple of questions. In my earlier post I mentioned that I had some minor intestinal cramping last night after eating trout (it was a whole pound). I also felt some very mild cramping again this morning. It's gone now, but I just wondered if it meant anything. I haven't had a bowel movement since the mag. citrate stopped working (Friday night) but didn't really find that too strange, considering the efficiency of the stuff.

Also, what is the 'echo' effect? I don't remember seeing a post about that, although I could be wrong (mild brain fog). And could you explain what the hyper-acute responses might be like (if I should get them when I test foods)?

Thank you SO much for your help and support. I feel like we're all really putting you through your paces right now. Hopefully you're benefitting in some way from all of this feedback!

Sara


Follow Ups:


Hang in there Phyllis!

Posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 12:27:19:

In Reply to: Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Phyllis A. on February 28, 1999 at 11:52:05:

Phyllis,

Sorry you're having such a tough time. Are you drinking lots of spring water (I have been drinking a gallon a day)? And are you putting plenty of mineral salt on your food? Mine is loaded with it; I don't think I would be surviving without it. Are you taking the alka-seltzer gold?

I also have a headache (it's been with me since Friday night), but it is starting to diminish. According to Robert, we're through the worst of this, and in most cases this should be the last day that we feel the withdrawal symptoms. He says that most people feel significantly better by Monday.

I just hate to see you give up now - tonight makes the half-way point for the diet!!! You can do it Phyllis!!!

Hang in there!
Sara



afternoon report from llama lland

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 28, 1999 at 13:49:41:

In Reply to: Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 11:30:05:

Yup Bob you got that right.... I don't think I have begun clearing. This morning in the shower my legs just started feeling rubbery and fatiqued, that is my worst symptom. Even my hands feel a bit like that as I type. I had a tad bit of a headache on Friday night but it was gone yesterday. Fortunately I worked really hard yesterday and don't have too much to do around here in the way of chores so I am taking it easy today. My support (and brawn) comes home tomorrow... hopefully with meat :-)

I would say that my rosacea was worse yesterday and a tad bit better today. If that tells you anything? Sometimes it varies according to the time of day as to how bad it is. I would say that is a very mild case of the stuff FYI.

Thanks,
Denise



Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 13:53:06:

In Reply to: Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Phyllis A. on February 28, 1999 at 11:52:05:

Phyllis,

You are just in the throes of withdrawal right now. I shouldn't say 'just' since I know how bad they can be. Perhaps you can just tell yourself that you are going to treat this as if you had a bad stomach flu -- where you couldn't keep anything down for a couple of days?

Keep drinking lots of water and don't eat if you don't feel like it. Depression is a big part of the withdrawal and I sense some of that coming through. Continue to try and eat foods from the 'safe' list. If I gave you more foods you would still be hungry since your hunger is driven by the withdrawal from significant food allergies.

The good news is that with any bad withdrawal is that there will be significant clearing if you can just ride it out.

Drink some spring water and try the alka-seltzer and then just try and go to bed and get some sleep.

Bob



Re: Robert, another question

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 14:00:12:

In Reply to: Robert, another question posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 12:10:28:

Sara,

One way that I've benefitted from your feedback is with the inclusion of the 'echo response' back into my book. There are so many little individual things that CAN happen. The problem is that if I tried to enumerate them all the major points tend to become diluted. I didn't have the echo effect listed in the Elimination diet that is in the archive for this reason. Then Linda AND Trish both had it -- so now it's back in.

The stomach cramps are probably from your colon re-loading with food. Don't worry, it's normal.

Hyper-acute reactions are usually an exacerbation of whatever symptoms that you had prior to the elimination diet. In other words they can vary. Don't worry, I think that you are concerned that you won't know what they are -- but you will. Headache, joint pains and sudden fatigue lead the list.

Bob


Follow Ups:


And yet another question

Posted by Johnelle on February 28, 1999 at 14:55:15:

In Reply to: Re: Robert, another question posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 14:00:12:

Sounds to me like the E-quartet is surviving! Sorry I
haven't been here.

You haven't heard from me because yesterday our daughter
came in from college, there was a huge lawn and garden show
in our city, and I had a dinner party for eight last night
before OUR TEAM, THE MSU INDIANS OF WICHITA FALLS, TX., won
the conference basketball championship! Think of me when
you read about it in your local paper.

As for me, I'm getting very burnt out on cod. I think one
more meal may be my max. Can't find mackarel, but last
night my husband grilled my first trout and everyone else
had Omaha steaks. While they had baked potatoes, caesar
salad, homemade rolls and apple crisp, I had grilled trout,
baked yam and steamed celery. I didn't complain -- mine was
very good! It just has surprised me how often I almost
automatically take a nibble of this and that, and I had to
catch myself. Kept reminding myself that one little slip
could make all of this for naught.

My only symptom has been hunger, always hunger, even right
after I have a meal. I'm thinking it may be the critters
inside my gut demanding their fix and not getting it. I
have been caffeine free for about a month or so, and sugar
free for about a week before starting this. I had a dull
tension-type headache for three days after getting off of
sugar, but I still got my carbo-fix from chips, bread, etc.
That was back in the good old days ...

Today I had a pear and half peach for breakfast and baked
cod plus julienne carrots and zucchini for lunch. That was
30 minutes ago, and I would love some chocolate or Doritos.

Robert, when I begin to re-introduce, do I do chicken alone
or all poultry? And then milk alone, or milk/eggs/cheese?
I think I know your answer, but I'm just hopeful! I really
do want some of that good chicken salad that our health food
store has, but can't figure out how to legally have it
first. T


Follow Ups:


Thanks so much Robert! (nmi)

Posted by Sara on February 28, 1999 at 15:40:52:

In Reply to: Re: Robert, another question posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 14:00:12:

.



Re: And yet another question

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 15:52:30:

In Reply to: And yet another question posted by Johnelle on February 28, 1999 at 14:55:15:

Johnelle,

When you have to test chicken, turkey, etc. individually -- but you can eat other foods that you KNOW are safe with them.

In other words you could have your chicken with celery and sea salt. Unfortunately that chicken salad is going to be a complex mixture of foods -- especially the mayo that they will be using.

Remember, just because something comes from health food store doesn't mean that it's healthy.

Your hunger is a withdrawal symptom that will abate as you clear -- and you'll really know what not being hungry is all about when you start getting the purine and fat rich foods into your whole foods diet.

Bob


Follow Ups:


Gee, that really sounds good!

Posted by Johnelle on February 28, 1999 at 18:53:39:

In Reply to: Re: And yet another question posted by Robert McFerran on February 28, 1999 at 15:52:30:

It would be a dream come true to not feel hungry. I've had
some sort of digestive problem for so long that I don't know
what it's like to not always be carrying an extra package of
nuts or crackers or candy around in my purse. When I was
little my dad used to say my food went in one end and out
the other. I didn't have diarrhea, I just never gained
weight, still don't. Ever since I learned in my health and
science class about tapeworms I've secretly wondered if I
had one, because there's this vicious thing inside me that
has to be fed. It will be so nice to be in control, rather
than being controlled! Your assistance is invaluable.
Thank you so much, Robert! Now to "organize" my dinner of
baked yam, grilled trout and steamed celery ... same as last
night, but at least I'm still looking forward to it at this
point! The turnips were THE WORST. Finally found parsnips
today -- they look like anemic carrots. Tomorrow is
rutabaga day, I



Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade (CONGRATULATIONS!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 01, 1999 at 09:32:04:

In Reply to: Re: Day 3 for the E Brigade posted by Phyllis A. on February 28, 1999 at 11:52:05:

Dear Phyllis,

I have been watching the E Brigade from the bleachers since Bob can do this at least as well as I can & I appreciate the help.

HOWEVER, your note is such a perfect example of this mechanism that I just had to say something.

THE MORE WITHDRAWAL ONE HAS WHEN DOING THIS, THE MORE IMPORTANT IT IS IN EXPLAINING WHY THEY HAVE MANY OF THEIR CHRONIC SYMPTOMS! One should be profoundly grateful that they are feeling so bad because it means that their efforts will be greatly rewarded (IF THEY STICK TO IT).

Congratulations, you have just proven that you are on the right track.

Walt



Return to Dr Stoll Home Page

Post a Message

Main Archives Page

More Metabolic Type and ER4YT Diets archives