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Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there!

Posted by Sara on March 02, 1999 at 08:04:12:

Good morning ladies and Robert!

Hope everyone is feeling good today. I can't believe that tomorrow is our last day - we're almost finished! Then we can start the testing, which I think all of us are anxious to start; I know I can't wait. This has been like an adventure - learning something new about our bodies. I know the beginning was rough, but in the end we will have gained alot of knowledge about our bodies that will be very valuable to our continuing wellness.

Phyllis, I hope you are starting to feel better now. Like Robert said, those that have the toughest time through the e-diet have the most to gain. Hope you're hanging in there; you are in our thoughts.

I seem to have more energy this morning and am continuing to feel better all around. I'm sure I'll have some questions later Robert, but for now, I have a busy morning planned, so I must go!

Talk to you later!
Sara


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Day 5 for E-Brigade (Q for Bob, Trish & Walt)

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 09:18:36:

In Reply to: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Sara on March 02, 1999 at 08:04:12:

Good morning all, Sara you are the early bird :-) Phyllis I hope that you are feeling better, I am thinking of you. Johnelle...I am wondering if Bob has us confused. Last night Bob you suggested that I experiment around with not eating fish for a day. If my foggy memory serves me correctly...Johnelle has gone without breakfast fish and is eating more lightly than I am. So somebody help me out here.

Actually Bob, since I have not been able to successfully get mackerel until Sunday and I have not gone a meal without fish. Rather than going without protein, I was thinking that it would be awfully nice to eat one of the nice lamb steaks that my darling brought home to me.

So Bob, here is the deal with me. I have been eating fish 3 times a day with some combination of veggies. I am begining to loath the cod, this last I bought was poor quality. Lamb has not been a regular part of my diet.... So can I pretty please with sugar on top have some lamb for dinner tonight? Now mind you I want to do this thing right and not tamper with the results...so will stick to the fish if need be. I am just staying hungry all the time, but able to do OK with it. I don't feel weak right now and have not eaten breakfast yet. Last night at bedtime I tried to write but was really kind of out of it. So I didn't even send the message.

I have had something come up that is kind of a big decision and it COULD involve some travel for me in the next couple of weeks. The discussion about how to travel and do whole foods has been helpful. Anyway, the energy and excitement of the possibility kind of depleted me of my senses last night. It therefore makes me very leary of trying to travel. So I am thinking of other ways to get around the travel... There are possibilities for me to mull over. It sure pushes me on getting settled down for SR (I spent about one hour this a.m.) I don't know if I'm discharging the stress right now or not but I am trying. I definitely feel the added stress of trying to do this diet.

I am curious... Trish on what date did you start e-diet? I am kind using you as a marker since we also have some similarities... I guess I am wondering about not having a major reaction and not having a major clearing either. On the other hand, I was feeling pretty good when I went into this diet and feel worse while in the process. Perhaps my clearing will just take longer.

Walt, I would appreciate any comments you might have here too. Since I suspect that LGS has been a problem for me and that the rosacea is C-RS related. It could be possible that I won't show a big clearing because of the candida overload... comments appreciated.

This morning I would say that brain fog is my worst complaint. I don't feel any joint pain, my energy level is moderate I'm not going to start any fires today or chant my head off like I did yesterday. And even feel a bit fuzzy to articulate a good question, but on the other hand I feel the need to communicate with you folks... So... whatta da ya say gang? Feedback greatly appreciated. I do thank each and every one of you.
Namaste,
Denise


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One more thing

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 09:28:59:

In Reply to: Day 5 for E-Brigade (Q for Bob, Trish & Walt) posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 09:18:36:

BTW I am not suggesting that I put sugar on the lamb :-) I will also note that I detect a bit of depression on my part today. I need to run outside and do some chores but my inclination is to go back to bed. I am not too excited about eating fish one more time, morning is when I least look forward to eating the infernal fish... Eating fruit would not cut the mustard for me. So I feel like the longer I prolong eating in the day, the better I will feel. Once I get started eating then I just want more and more and more. Although I have managed to get by on 3 meals a day. Saturday I ate 2 meals.

Thanks again,
Denise


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Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there!

Posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 10:04:17:

In Reply to: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Sara on March 02, 1999 at 08:04:12:

Hi, everyone! Glad to hear from you, Sara and Denise, and
like you, I'm just hoping Phyllis is still with us. I'm
doing just fine today. Since my hunger pangs subsided I
feel I can handle this, but I hope I'm not fooling myself.
I eat about four pieces of fruit each day -- do I remember
that being a no-no? All I had for breakfast was a peach,
and it seems like eating just fruit makes my throat feel a
little raw. I probably have candida but have never been
tested -- do I need to do so?

My game plan starting Thursday is to start out adding an egg
for breakfast, a rib eye for lunch, and I'm still dreaming
for supper, maybe green beans. In my foggy brain I
somewhere read that you should only introduce a new food
every 24 hours, and eat it three times in one day ... was
that some other diet? Can I expect a reaction to one new
food before another meal comes around? And do I need to eat
a whole lot of that new food in order to be sure to get an
obvious reaction?

Lots of questions here at the last minute ... just like me.
Thanks so much for all the education and advice,


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Re: One more thing

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 11:24:39:

In Reply to: One more thing posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 09:28:59:

Denise,

Sorry, I did get the posting sequence wrong and apparently replied to you when I meant to reply to Johnelle.

Denise, it sounds as if you are a H-G -- so you can add the lamb and none of this two meals only stuff. As my grandmother used to say -- "eat a little more, it's good for you".

Johnelle, I think that you are looking Mixed right now but I want to make sure that you are not an Agriculturist. So see if only eating the fish for dinner (or none at all) agrees with you.

I think that you are beginning to see that there is a real emotional component involved with what we eat. I've just started reading a book called THE SECOND BRAIN:THE SCIENTIFIC BASIS OF GUT INSTINCT AND A GROUNDBREAKING NEW UNDERSTANDING OF NERVOUS DISORDERS OF THE GUT by Michael Gershon. This guy is the leading researcher in the field of gastroneuroimmunology. I was really excited to find it since I've known for some time that the gut has this HUGE network of nerve endings as well as the chemical neuro-transmitters that are found in the brain.

Why? Is it an evolutionary throwback? If it is, what are the implications for modern man? Can we take advantage of this 'Second Brain' in our gut or can we at least ameliorate any negative effects?

I'll report back when I finish.

Bob


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Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there!

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 11:31:54:

In Reply to: Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 10:04:17:

Johnelle,

You can test up to three foods a day. One at each meal works fine. You don't have to gorge yourself on the food but just eat what you would consider a normal serving.

I think that you should have the Candida Immune Complexes test run to check for candida overload.

You sound like you might be Mixed, but I want to be sure that you are not an Agriculturist that has gotten caught up in the Hunter-gatherer mentality of some of the others. Try omitting any fish until dinner and let me know if that suits you better than eating it at least a couple of times a day.

Bob


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Collapsed

Posted by Phyllis A. on March 02, 1999 at 11:57:54:

In Reply to: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Sara on March 02, 1999 at 08:04:12:

Did I fail the diet or did the diet fail me???? Yesterday I went to get up out of my chair and collapsed on the floor. A couple of folks in the office next to mine hear the noise and came running. I was sooooo light headed. When I drove to work yesterday morning I knew I didn't have any business being on the road, but decided at that point I was closer to work rather than turning back. I was taken home and made the decision that I had to eat something. I started out with some chicken broth, then later some crackers. I did okay with that and last night I had dinner (the kind I use to eat). This morning I'm starting to feel more like my old self, which is much better than I've felt the last few days.

I apologize for not writing much over the past few days, but I have just been out of it. I had some aches and had a headache one day, but I really was expecting that to be much worst. What I didn't plan was that I couldn't stomach the food, a very bland diet, meal after meal. I haven't followed the board much over the past couple of days, but I did try to read the other e-diet reports. I'm envious that you can eat the foods. I was starving but couldn't hold the food down, and later I just couldn't think of cooking it or putting in my mouth.

My reasons for wanting to start with the e-diet is that I know I have many food allergies, and since the results would be pretty sudden with diet change, I felt it was the best place to start. I was very fired up and ready to start, but at this point I don't think I could try it again. After drinking the Clorox (also known as magnesium citrate) on Thursday, I thought the diet would be a breeze. So Robert, where do I go from here. Can I just move to the diet we think best, and just live with my allergies for now? As my gut heals with the SR, won't that also improve the allergies and illness related to them?

P.S. I'll have to have a fish-fry and invite a bunch of company over. I have $60 worth of cod & trout stocked up! I was prepared!

P.S.S. And believe it or not, I still haven't had a Thin Mint; however I might indulge in them tonight!


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Re: Collapsed

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 12:25:36:

In Reply to: Collapsed posted by Phyllis A. on March 02, 1999 at 11:57:54:

Hi Phyllis, It is good to hear from you. There is no such thing as a failure here... it is ok to back away from the diet. Perhaps this was just not the right time. I haven't collapsed but have had a big emotional upheaval today! I am going to eat some lamb for dinner tonight and that makes me a happy camper now.
Be well,
Denise



Re: Collapsed

Posted by Sara on March 02, 1999 at 12:44:33:

In Reply to: Collapsed posted by Phyllis A. on March 02, 1999 at 11:57:54:

Phyllis,

Really glad to hear from you! So it didn't work out; maybe it wasn't the right time for you. I am glad you're feeling better. I'm sure Robert will have some suggestions for you.

Let me know when the fish-fry is; but, could I have my cod baked instead?

Take care,
Sara



Re: Collapsed

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 15:41:16:

In Reply to: Collapsed posted by Phyllis A. on March 02, 1999 at 11:57:54:

Phyllis,

Your best bet now would be to move to the Agriculturist diet and exclude the major food allergens (wheat, corn, milk, soy and yeasts). You would have a good chance at moving forward if you could stay with whole foods.

In all probability you are an EXTREME Agriculturist so be sure to be rigorous and do use caffeine to offset any near-term metabolic imbalances.

I'm curious. What were you eating before the elimination diet? Could you give me a sample of what breakfast, lunch and dinner looked like as well as any snacks? I'm trying to understand why some folks completely reject the foods on the elimination diet (no, you are not the first). They would seemingly rather starve than eat them.

Thanks,

Bob



Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there!

Posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 15:44:27:

In Reply to: Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 11:31:54:

Thanks for the quick response. I deeply appreciate all your
guidance.

Well, yesterday I bragged about making it just fine without
fish till dinner, but today is a different story. I had
that peach for breakfast, and I HAD TO HAVE MY FISH by 11am,
along with some steamed celery and a raw carrot, so that
ought to tell you something, but I don't know. Then I had to
pop a half peach in my mouth as I was leaving the house at
12:00, and at 1:30 I had to eat the other half. I just seem
to have a need for a constant IV type dribble of stuff at
times. Tomorrow my doctor is doing a test after the 14-hr.
total fast of the saliva, urine and blood -- you probably
know what it is, something about oxydation.

Glad to hear I can have my egg, beef and then beans on
Thursday. I may have to have my ribeye for breakfast rather
than lunch though. I keep getting mixed up and thinking
today surely must be Wednesd


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Re: Collapsed

Posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 15:53:44:

In Reply to: Collapsed posted by Phyllis A. on March 02, 1999 at 11:57:54:

So sorry, Phyllis, that you have been through so much! It
is amazing how different our bodies are, and I hope you
won't see yourself as a failure but just as having had it
revealed to you that you will be taking another route to
wellness. Thank goodness Robert has offered you a Plan B!
That fried fish sounds wonderful! Do we get greasy french
fries with it, and a big Ceasar salad with freshly grated
parmesan cheese, maybe some coconut cream pie for dessert?
I guess when we get to heaven we can eat like that if we
still want to; hopefully we won't.
Stay in touch!



Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there!

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 16:01:28:

In Reply to: Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 15:44:27:

Johnelle,

I've seen OXIDATE PROFILES that have been done by some labs but in my estimation they are next to useless. I always look at what is the suggested therapy to reverse a positivive test result. In this instance it's suggested to take more anti-oxidants. Something that by itself that certainly will not correct the problem. Also something that you'll be supplementing with anyhow.

You look Mixed to me right now.

Bob


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Wow, Bob, that's some book!

Posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 16:23:43:

In Reply to: Re: One more thing posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 11:24:39:

That gastroneuroimmunology book sounds fantastic, but I'll
let you read it; my brainfog would not let me digest it.
Mind As Healer, Mind As Slayer about did me in for a while.
By the way, are you an M.D. or what? I hope I'm hanging out
here when you report back to us on it. I think my doctor
would be interested in that, and I know I would.
Joh



Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there!

Posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 16:35:20:

In Reply to: Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 16:01:28:

Oh, I DO hope I'm mixed. That sounds like the best of both
worlds!!!! Am I fooling myself with that attitude? My
housekeeper wanted a copy of the printout I did of your H-G
diet today. I have become a virtual resource bank for our
town! It's very energizing, I'll add!
Johnelle
(I'm going to always sign my name so if something is cut off
by my #@!*# computer it will hopefully just be my name!
I've tried everything I can think of to remedy


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Been thinkin' about your computer problem...

Posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 18:06:37:

In Reply to: Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Johnelle on March 02, 1999 at 16:35:20:

Hi, Johnelle,

What happens if you just do a few returns after the end of your messages Maybe then the returns will get deleted...

trish


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But back up again!

Posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 18:22:51:

In Reply to: Collapsed posted by Phyllis A. on March 02, 1999 at 11:57:54:

Phyllis...I am just glad you're still with us and still kickin' up a diet storm! I hope you can give Bob an idea of what happened - he says you're not the first to go through this.

Anyway, hope you continue to feel better and please keep us all posted on your next steps!

trish



Ending day 3 (

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 21:18:41:

In Reply to: Re: One more thing posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 11:24:39:

Hi all, Well I had 2 lamb chops for dinner tonight. They were very good. Now if I can find enough to keep me satiated... I'm on a mission to find more but lamb is not readily available in town :-( I have been really down today, but feel like I must have needed the rest. I am feeling a bit more chipper this evening. Do you think I can start adding other foods from the list on Thursday Bob? I would have to say that my symptoms have not been dramatic other than my crying over the thought of eating fish one more time. My clearing is not dramatic either.

I am wondering if you are going to include anything in your book about the emotional component of doing the diet? Last night I read Wiley's chapter on Psychotherapy. I will have to fess up to being a Marriage and Family Therapist by training. Reading that part of the book was very hard for me. I hate to think of ALL therapy being like that. When I practiced I always talked with folks about life style issues. Mostly folks looked at me as if I had 2 heads when I did that. However, the thing about family systems theory is that it takes the whole picture into account. That is a very simplistic explanation of family systems theory but... the approach is very different from traditional psychoanalytic thought. I don't want to sound too pushy here but some kind of explanation about the emotional impact of doing the diet might be really helpful to folks in preparing for the diet.

The email message from your friend Rob earlier today about cheating on the diet and how it isolates one from their social situation struck a chord for me. I will have to admit that one thing that has made making the comittment to even begin to start the diet has been the isolation factor. I have liked to entertain guests and go out and enjoy a meal with friends. It seems doing anything like that now is a real challenge. Just my 2 cents worth. We are talking about basic survival needs when food is concerned.

OK new topic here. Johnelle way to go on spreading the word concerning the path to wellness to north central Texas. Keep up the good work and the enthusiasm.

Namaste,
Denise


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Re: Ending day 3 (

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 22:03:18:

In Reply to: Ending day 3 ( posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 21:18:41:

Denise,

One of the reasons I asked Rob to re-post his e-mail note is I thought that it struck many chords.

Usually there first is denial, then rationalizations, then some kind of compromise.

Unfortunately I've found that many won't get results unless they follow the protocol with precision. In other words 'compromise = lack of results'.

With your background I would appreciate any advise that you might give about the emotional component of the diet. Obviously there is a great amount of variance -- as we saw poor Phyllis who couldn't physically tolerate the diet at all and Sara and Trish -- who seemingly ate almost ALL the foods.

Bob



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Bob-thoughts on compromise & cheating on the diet

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 22:41:08:

In Reply to: Re: Ending day 3 ( posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 22:03:18:

Yes, I agree with you whole heartedly... one needs to be very serious about the protocol in order to follow it. Trish was very clear about how her steps in the "wrong" direction really took her off course. My falling off the wagon and drinking cappuccinos and having asthma attacks is also a good example as to how "cheating" can be a major setback.

I was thinking more in lines of how to prepare folks for the strong emotional response and feelings of isolation etc. I'm still feeling pretty fuzzy to do Rob's note justice. But I would love to talk more about just that issue. When my synapses start firing again we can talk more (grin). I hope you don't interpret me as being critical here. I just want to help you, so that you can help others be successful in doing the diet. Just my thoughts and if I can provide some grist for the mill I would love to give you some of my professional input. What you are doing is very important work!
Namaste,
Denise




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Re: Bob-thoughts on compromise & cheating on the diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 23:14:54:

In Reply to: Bob-thoughts on compromise & cheating on the diet posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 22:41:08:

Denise,

Don't worry, I won't take any of your criticisms as anything other than constructive. I'm obviously torn when trying to develop a protocol that gets results but at the same time is something that people will do.

There are real problems with the isolation factor, but I don't see any way around them.

I've written a business plan and one of the things that was an opportunity downstream would be to provide 'camps' where someone could come for two weeks and experience the elimination diet and the metabolic aspect. Learning and doing and getting results with plenty of support all around.

Of course that might not be enough when they leave and meet the 'real' world.

Bob


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E-Diet, decided to go for it!!

Posted by Corinne on March 03, 1999 at 00:25:17:

In Reply to: Day 5 for E-Brigade - we're almost there! posted by Sara on March 02, 1999 at 08:04:12:

Day 1 - the "horrible stuff" wasn't that horrible. It stopped working about 11 am this morning. I wasn't even hungry today, I just ate so I wouldn't pass out while driving home from work. The only thing that is appetizing is the pear. I only picked at my cod for dinner, ate a few carrots, and my pear. Must we eat if we are not hungry? Feeling kind of foggy now but nothing hurts. It is so helpful to read what every one is going through... Bye till tomorrow.


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Re: Been thinkin' about your computer problem...

Posted by Johnelle on March 03, 1999 at 07:28:44:

In Reply to: Been thinkin' about your computer problem... posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 18:06:37:

Great idea! I'll try that right now





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YOUR SUGGESTION WORKED!

Posted by Johnelle on March 03, 1999 at 07:32:34:

In Reply to: Re: Been thinkin' about your computer problem... posted by Johnelle on March 03, 1999 at 07:28:44:

It worked! It worked! Now maybe each of my posts won't end
with me looking like an idiot! Time will tell whether I
have the presence of mind to end with several returns...





Re: E-Diet, decided to go for it!!

Posted by Johnelle on March 03, 1999 at 07:43:58:

In Reply to: E-Diet, decided to go for it!! posted by Corinne on March 03, 1999 at 00:25:17:

Yea, Corinne! We're cheering for you. Following you ought
to be more organized than following the four of us. We've
been all over this board the past week! Do keep us posted!





Congratulations! NMI

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 08:01:46:

In Reply to: E-Diet, decided to go for it!! posted by Corinne on March 03, 1999 at 00:25:17:

NMI



e-diet camp & q for Bob

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 08:38:57:

In Reply to: Re: Bob-thoughts on compromise & cheating on the diet posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 23:14:54:

Bob, I think a supportive environment in which to do the diet is an excellent idea. You are right though, getting back to reality is an entirely different matter. After day one of having Charlie back at home and cooking up french toast and eggs... was a very difficult thing. The previous days I had just taken on this pioneer spirit that somehow wilted upon the arrival of Charlie's buttered toast. Trish wrote me a delightful e-mail yesterday about how she "psyched" herself up to eat some of the foods on the diet pretending that they were something exotic. It has been important for me to reach out to others for support and I have done that via the computer, through meditation, and ma bell. It is really hard when folks are really hooked into food and then there is the social aspect of eating that is so important. Going on the diet eliminates (excuse the pun) many pleasurable avenues for people. So it is important to replace that with something. What I did was to send SOS signals out to various places, but to also add some pleasantries to my life. I have tried to keep some fresh flowers around the place. I bought some new relaxation cd's to assist in the process. I knew it was going to be difficult to do this and I have read about other's feelings of depression while undergoing the process. There is not just the physical& emotional healing that is going on here but also the spiritual aspect of it too. I know this has been discussed many times here before. Thought I would peck out some thoughts as my brain seems to be working better this morning.

OK... a question about how to proceed. One of the things that I would like to add back to my diet is some herbal tea. I have been looking at my supply and I realize that all that I have here at home is blends of tea. For instance, I have a relaxing blend consisting of chamomile, peppermint, and raspberry leaf. What I would need to do is test each of the ingredients separately before I can drink the blend? I have also taken to drinking some P'Darco tea. Are you familiar with it? Do you think that is something that would be OK on the H-G diet? Actually, I was thinking for my first day of testing I might add chamomile, beef, and a new vegetable from the primary group. Does that sound like an OK game plan. I also drink some other herbal infusions but will talk more with you about that as my first priority is to get a variety of foods back into my diet... and then add some more in the way of herbal things. Does that make sense?

Thanks for all your help and I have my thinking cap on today about... how to help folks do the diet successfully.

Namaste,
Denise

PS: It is still early but I feel pretty energetic. I'm not starving, and don't feel depressed. We shall see how the day goes. Thanks for all your help.


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Re: Collapsed (See my previous note!) (If not now, when?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1999 at 11:37:08:

In Reply to: Collapsed posted by Phyllis A. on March 02, 1999 at 11:57:54:

Dear Phyllis,

Before you waste all the effort you have already gone through, I hope you go back & read my response to your first despairing note a few days ago.

People who understand this process would give their eye teeth to have the terrible experiences you have had since they PROVE how important this process is for you.

Your experineces prove to me that you are going to have to go through this sometime or your chronic conditions will simply continue to get worse. Just look at your history for the past 20 years!

Walt



Re: Day 5 for E-Brigade (Q for Bob, Trish & Walt) (Rosacea)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1999 at 11:46:37:

In Reply to: Day 5 for E-Brigade (Q for Bob, Trish & Walt) posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 09:18:36:

Hi, Denise.

The bodymind works like a spider web: One cannot pluck any strand without shaking the entire web.

This means that ANYTHING that truly moves one toward wellness will help everything.

For every chronic condition, however, there are some factors that are more important than others. For rosacea (in my experience) C-RS is too imporatant a factor for anyone to clear up the rosacea without clearing the C-RS first.

That does not mean,though, that the C-RS will not be easier to clear the closer one gets to wellness because it will be.

SOME people will actually clear the rosacea (usually trmporarily) without actually clearing the candida. I have not seen them but others have.

Walt



Finally getting to this...

Posted by Hi Denise! on March 03, 1999 at 13:19:44:

In Reply to: Day 5 for E-Brigade (Q for Bob, Trish & Walt) posted by Denise Wyrick on March 02, 1999 at 09:18:36:

I started the ediet on February 11, so my first day was Friday, Feb. 12. Like I said in my email to you, I stayed on it an extra day because I didn't clear, and another almost full day because I didn't get out shopping for new food! I was kickin' myself that time! I'm pretty convinced I have a significant candida load and that's what's been keeping me from clearing.

I also saw you mentioning your rosacea - mine was almost totally gone last summer when I was in full diet, exercise, and SR swing...the good old days! Since then, of course, it came back full force and I might even say a little bit worse - not in color, but in texture. It seems more puffy and pimply this time. I would agree with Dr. Stoll's descripton of this; that the CRS and rosacea are definitely closely related, and you probably won't get rid of one without the other. In my case, we proved I had not yet healed my LGS, but HAD eradicated the Candida. My face was definitely cleared up, though! Even the dermatologist (HMO guy who gave me every possible sample of creams, lotions and potions - all steroids/cortisone that I never used AND told me you could never cure rosacea) was amazed and told me to keep doing whatever it was I was doing. That was really fun for me.

Hope this helps!
trish


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Re: e-diet camp & q for Bob

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 13:32:03:

In Reply to: e-diet camp & q for Bob posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 08:38:57:

Hi Denise,

You can test the herbal tea blend -- just cross your fingers and hope that it doesn't generate a reaction and you'll be home free. If you DO have a reaction then you'll have to test the components separately or just find another tea. I drink some rose-hips infusions if I really want tea and have had an assortment of herbal teas when my friends pile into the coffee shop after an evening out -- all without any problem. Of course I've never consumed tea on a regular basis.

I LOVE good spring water. I found that the reason why I turned to caffeine free soft drinks is that tap water irritated my stomach in such a subtle way that I didn't even notice it. NOW I notice it. I mean I still get drinks of water from park fountains, etc., but if I start drinking it exclusively in about a day I find myself avoiding drinking anything!

Stay away from the P'Darco tea for now. Add that one after you've tested more foods.

Bob


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Thanks Trish and Walt...

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 14:20:11:

In Reply to: Finally getting to this... posted by Hi Denise! on March 03, 1999 at 13:19:44:

OK, so what I think I hear you both saying is that perhaps one clue as to whether or not my gut has healed would be to run a course of "eating dirt" whoops I mean Nystatin. The rosacea might stayed cleared up by dealing with the C-RS and if it flared back up again then it would mean my gut is not sufficiently healed....and there is still some of those candida critters living in there (sigh) Just like what happened to my good buddy Trish, eh?

I don't have a medical doctor so I am going to have to be kind of strategic about this one. I'm a bit tired of the rosacea and hate getting my face ruined/scared. I guess I will need to sleep on this one and come up with a game plan. Walt, honestly do you think it is necessary to prove that I have C-RS via expensive tests?... or would it be possible to find a doc that would treat me based on what I am learning here (should I decide to go the nystatin route)? Do you know anyone around where I live Manhattan, KS... I'm one hour from Topeka, 21/2 hours from Kansas City, Wichita, or Lincoln, NE. Someone closer to home would be preferable than further, but I am open to the possibilites. I'm not too optimistic about the docs in ManKS as I gave up on them several years ago... but who knows with my new wealth of information perhaps I might find one who would listen to me.

I appreciate the help.
Namaste,
Denise


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Just a thought....

Posted by Sara on March 03, 1999 at 15:05:07:

In Reply to: Thanks Trish and Walt... posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 14:20:11:

Denise,

In case you can't find a doctor and/or decide to treat the candida yourself, you could take grapefruit seed extract and caprylic acid. That is what I will be taking (as recommended by GSDL and my doctor). My tests from GSDL actually showed those two to be more effective than the Nystatin (for me anyway). You can find out the recommended dosage for caprylic acid in "The Yeast Connection and the Woman" by Dr. William Crook, and for the grapefruit seed extract, I got a book at my health food store that gave me the dosage to treat candida (I've misplaced the book, otherwise I'd give you the title).

My mother had rosacea for years, and I remember the torture she went through, on numerous occasions, to try to get rid of it. She doesn't have it anymore, but I don't know what finally took care of it (surely not a wellness plan like we're doing here). IT went away, but then she had all kinds of other problems through the years, and a number of surgeries also. I sent my parents a copy of Dr. Stoll's book last fall, and they've read it (they said they found it interesting), but I seriously doubt that they will ever put it into practice. However, hope springs eternal....

Sara


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more questions for Bob

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 15:12:38:

In Reply to: Re: e-diet camp & q for Bob posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 13:32:03:

Thanks for the green light on the herbal tea! It will be nice to have a cup again. I have been following Trish's progress on the diet and am wondering about how to proceed. Actually, we both deal with rosacea. And my response to the diet seems to be somewhat similar to Trish's. I wrote another message somewhere here today to Trish and Walt, would you be so kind as to read it also? I am just mulling over the possibilites about my path. I have mentioned that I am uninsured so I need to be thoughtful of how to proceed because of the financial end of things. I am wondering if I might benefit from a course of Nystatin... or to wait and see what happens say a month down the road. I would say that my face is not getting any new spots. There does seem to be some approach towards normal color.

One reason I am thinking along these lines is that if I am loaded to the gils (see what happens with eating all this fish) with C-RS and my results from the diet may not be accurate. On the other hand, I feel like I am working closer towards wellness and that in and of itself will help the rosacea. Just thinking and would appreciate your thoughts about it.
Namaste,
Denise



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And a good one it was...Thanks Sara (NMI)

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 15:54:38:

In Reply to: Just a thought.... posted by Sara on March 03, 1999 at 15:05:07:

NMI



Re: more questions for Bob

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 17:36:43:

In Reply to: more questions for Bob posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 15:12:38:

Denise,

Don't worry, I think that the results of your diet are accurate.

I've followed your notes about rosacea and I've consistently found that when folks treat candida and follow proper diet that their rosacea dissapates rapidly. I've also seen where they see a VERY rapid return of their rosacea whenever they stray from the appropriate diet -- especially if they cheat with sugar.

Since I think there is a VERY high probability that you are dealing with candidiasis as part of your symptoms I would make every effort to get the nystatin. If not the nystatin then the grapefruit seed extract. The grapefruit seed extract (liquid form ONLY) is far and away the least expensive -- probably only $25 for enough for a 6 month course of treatment (mail order it via the web). I've used caprylic acid with some success BUT it's equivalent in expense to nystatin powder at theraputic doses.

Bob


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Re: more questions for Bob

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 18:16:19:

In Reply to: Re: more questions for Bob posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 17:36:43:

Hi again, I hate to keep you busy with questions. I guess my thinking was will the testing after the diet be accurate, say if I don't have any reactions to foods?

Is asparagus a good vegetable to start out with for me? Seems like it would be a good one. Thanks again, Denise

could I add an egg on the 2nd day of testing? or is that further down the road.


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Re: more questions for Bob

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 23:00:14:

In Reply to: Re: more questions for Bob posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 18:16:19:

Denise,

You may not feel as good as you will in 6 months after you treat the candidiasis but you do have a pretty firm baseline from which to judge any reactions.

Asparagus and the egg sound fine.

If you REALLY want to prove to yourself that you do have food allergies just sit down and eat some doritos and take note of how you feel :)

Bob


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Doritos for the H-G

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 23:42:13:

In Reply to: Re: more questions for Bob posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 23:00:14:

Hi Bob, Okie dokie... I get your drift! But I'm not going to be eating any doritos even though they sound pretty good right now. I have my steak ready to go for tomorrow, now I only need to decide whether to have it for breakfast, lunch or dinner.

Thanks,
Denise



Re: Thanks Trish and Walt...

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 1999 at 11:49:18:

In Reply to: Thanks Trish and Walt... posted by Denise Wyrick on March 03, 1999 at 14:20:11:

Dear Denise,

I, personally do not think you need any expensive tests for the C-RS. Your history is enough for me.

Besides, the most recent research has shown that the candida questionaire is more accurate than any of the tests yet available. That one is free.

My only caution is that you need to remember that the candida "seed" (yeast form) is EVERYWHERE on this planet. You are not going to get permanent results until you have re-established a normally functioning gut lining and bacterial ecology.

Walt


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Thanks again Walt...

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 04, 1999 at 12:39:51:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Trish and Walt... posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 1999 at 11:49:18:

OK... so I will continue to do what I am doing in terms of the diet, and SR, I get plenty of exercise here on the farm. And I will keep asking questions about the next step... Since I don't have a regular doc I feel good about at the moment I will keep my feelers out. Thanks for your input.
Namaste,
Denise



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