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Paleolithic diet

Posted by Tracey on March 03, 1999 at 13:40:52:

Hello! Heard a woman in Berkeley on radio talking about this. Something about how our ancestors were found with no cavities, and it was only after they started eating grains, even whole ones, that they started getting cavities. So this woman suggested people try eating a diet of all meat, vegetables, and dairy and eggs. No grains at all, even whole ones. Is this the next fad? Apparently I am very unhealthy, because I am vegan!
Just wondering
Tracey


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Fad diets

Posted by trish on March 03, 1999 at 14:29:07:

In Reply to: Paleolithic diet posted by Tracey on March 03, 1999 at 13:40:52:

Hi Tracey,

I am a person who is healthy only when I avoid grains. Not to be a smart alec, but the paleolithic diet has been around for awhile, and I don't believe it's a fad. The things we are learning here on this board have to do with the fact that everyone needs a different diet and different ways to get and stay heathly. We are all indeed very different!

I tried to be a vegan for around six months and ended up in my doctor's office, bloated, exhausted and rosacea ridden! My hypoglycemia was out of control, I had candida and a number of other pesky problems not the least of which he considered chronic fatigue. He told me to eat more protein and had me to get a book that would teach me about eating depending on my blood type. Well, that really helped me out. Then, when I found this website, things really began to fall into place. I'm trying a different approach now, but it still includes a lot of meat!

I was sorry I could not be a vegetarian. You are lucky you can eat that way. I try to always buy organic, hormone and drug free meat, free range whenever possible.

Cruise around this website and you'll see some amazing things!

be well,
trish


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Re: Paleolithic diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 14:37:29:

In Reply to: Paleolithic diet posted by Tracey on March 03, 1999 at 13:40:52:

Tracey,

If you understand anthropology JUST DURING THE LAST 100,000 YEARS you will understand diet.

Obviously the woman that was pushing the Paleo diet isn't aware of what REALLY happened as human migration FORCED adaptation to different foods.

Bob


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Re: Fad diets

Posted by Tracey on March 03, 1999 at 15:42:53:

In Reply to: Fad diets posted by trish on March 03, 1999 at 14:29:07:


Thanks for the info....(I actually wasn't suggesting that everyone should follow my eating patterns, BTW)... It's just that I thought there were some seriously gaping holes in that diet's theory.I have heard of some bad cases with that 'blood-type' diet also. I just thought I would ask around....what was it that you were missing in your diet that got you so sick? I have been eating a high protein diet myself. What did the grains do to you? How do you deal with cholesterol and all the colon and lower intestinal health stuff around this diet?
I actually am seriously asking these questions, BTW....some people get a little defensive on either side of vegetarian issues, and that is not what I'm looking for here....
Tracey


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The adventure of finding one's appropriate diet!

Posted by Susan Mierswa on March 03, 1999 at 18:37:42:

In Reply to: Fad diets posted by trish on March 03, 1999 at 14:29:07:

Trish,

I am interested in your journey because I too ate inappropriately for my blood type/metabolism and it has been a sequence of events that lead me to this website (from Dr. D'Adamo's) and this metabolic diet concept. Each step has given me new information and changes that improve my energy level. Today I didn't eat enough animal protein and bonk! Eating this way takes commitment because everything in this country comes on a bun when you are out and about! The thing is that I ate like a bird for years and have had preety bad chronic fatigue and didn't work for 5 years. I am now looking at employment, ready to take the leap in spite of the fear. I also want to do the e-diet when I have my own place and space. What a journey!

How is the food testing going?

Susan


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Re: Fad diets

Posted by trish on March 04, 1999 at 10:28:02:

In Reply to: Re: Fad diets posted by Tracey on March 03, 1999 at 15:42:53:

Tracey,

I was half expecting you to blast me for eating meat! I know what you mean about people getting "defensive" I'd call it "offensive" sometimes :-) !

I'm not sure if it was something I was missing necessarily, but somethings I was just getting WAY too much of. Mostly carbs and sugars. The grains, wheat in particular seemed to cause a lot of congestion (and now I'd say inflamation, too). I developed a full blown candida infection due to antibiotic use (of course, now I realize I'd probably started having that problem some time before the antibiotic thing, but it just pushed me over the edge) - and of course grains only aggravate that conditon. I started getting horrible sinus headaches, which I never had before. And, like I said, I was bloated - and had high cholesterol, too.

You ask how I handle the cholesterol and fat - well, I handle it beautifully - my cholesterol actually dropped nine points after starting the diet, I simply need the fats and protein to feel good. I lost 30 lbs pigging out on any and all meats, green vegetables and no grains or fruit at all for about 4 months. I never felt hungry (didn't watch portions, just ate until I was full), my hypoglycemia was under control, I had energy and slept soundly. I just felt better than I had in many years! I did add rice and some fruit back in eventually. (and if you read my other posts here, you'll see that also eventually, I fell off the wagon completely, and I'm just starting over now!)

Like I said, if you look around this website, you'll find a lot of really interesting stuff about this situation. There are a lot of people representing all different types of dietary needs here.

Be well,
trish



It's an ongoing adventure!

Posted by trish on March 04, 1999 at 10:33:56:

In Reply to: The adventure of finding one's appropriate diet! posted by Susan Mierswa on March 03, 1999 at 18:37:42:

Hi Susan!

I'm happy for you that you are finding your way. It seems so many people seem to have my (our) set of problems, doesn't it? I'm glad you are looking for work, too. I think it's important to feel productive.

Food testing is slow, but steady, and I have had no reactions so far. I'm glad for that, but it's also frustrating, because I don't feel much better...I guess I have to wait until the nystatin does its job.

Take care, Susan, and keep us posted!
trish



Re: Paleolithic diet

Posted by Benjamin Hamilton on May 18, 1999 at 13:51:00:

In Reply to: Re: Paleolithic diet posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 14:37:29:

Sir, you are half right and half wrong. If you want to understand diet and anthropology then study the last 100,000 years. If you want to study the relationship between diet and degenerative disease, then study the agricultural revolution.
Migration didn't force people to eat different foods. They had to eat different foods because there was a population increase.
Study of the Ancient Egyptians reveals rampant obesity and heart disease.


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Food Fight: Mr. and Mrs. Sprat

Posted by Mike Kramer on May 18, 1999 at 19:12:17:

In Reply to: Paleolithic diet posted by Tracey on March 03, 1999 at 13:40:52:

Tracey:

My wife started receiving a magazine in the mail. She never subscribed; it just arrives. I think it's called Natural Health.

This month's issue has Drs. Atkins and Ornish in a moderated debate. Atkins is a promoter of high protein diets (he also is quite the self-promoter), but seems to be approaching a Watson/Wiley/McFerran position of different strokes for different folks. Ornish abhors any definition of "good diet" that is relativistic (that is, what could be good for you could be bad for me).

I can't dispute the fact that many people do great when they eat low fat, high complex carbohydrate diets with lots of vegetables. I also know that I and many others were being debilitated by such diets. When I eat meat 3 times a day I function almost like a human being. When I ate fruits, vegetables and whole grains everyday I knew I was doing the right thing, because all the experts were saying so. But I felt lousy. When I eat little but meat I know that I feel much better. I don't feel great. I don't feel as good as I would like to. But I feel much much better than I felt for many years.

(By the way. I have AB blood, so my diet is wrong for my blood type. I find Dr. D'Adamo's work intellectually stimulating. But when the rubber meets the road, and the tomato meets my gut's lining, the blood-type diet doesn't have what it takes.)

I am not a relativist when it comes to morals or politics. But I can only conclude that we must all be multiculturalists and relativists when it comes to diet. The evidence is overpowering. No one diet is best for everyone. Let a thousand flowers bloom.

Hunter-gatherer greetings,
Mike


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Re: Paleolithic diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on May 18, 1999 at 20:23:36:

In Reply to: Re: Paleolithic diet posted by Benjamin Hamilton on May 18, 1999 at 13:51:00:

Hi Benjamin,

I'm used to being attacked by vegetarians and I do find it more than a little ironic that now I'm being attacked by a supporter of the paleo-diet.

Migration DID force people to eat different foods. The best example of this is the difference between different groups of Hunter-gatherers. Those living in temperate climate had access to fruit and made it a staple (along with animals) in their diet. Most caucasians of European extraction were a different type of Hunter-gatherer. Their ancestors lived in cool climates where there was very little if ANY fruit. Instead they turned to root vegetables as their major source of carbohydrate.

I do not doubt for a moment that the Agricultural revolution INITIALLY brought problems to those folks that were not well adapted. However, it's faulty logic to believe that those people living in temperate climates during the last 20,000 years did not have adequate time to adapt metabolically. This is the reason why a paleo-diet would be disasterous for individuals that have inherited this metabolism.

Bob



Re: Food Fight: Mr. and Mrs. Sprat

Posted by Robert McFerran on May 18, 1999 at 20:40:55:

In Reply to: Food Fight: Mr. and Mrs. Sprat posted by Mike Kramer on May 18, 1999 at 19:12:17:

Hi Mike,

Ornish and Atkins neglect the anthropology that has brought us to this point in time. If one studies the anthropology during the last 100,000 years the metabolic spectrum that we see today becomes obvious.

One simple word explains everything -- ADAPTATION. It's funny that the medical dictionaries don't even contain the word ADAPTATION. Actually it's sad. Adaptation -- or the lack thereof explain the great majority of chronic conditions.

Bob



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