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Posted by Johnelle on March 04, 1999 at 15:53:23:

I've been off the board since yesterday morning when I was
the first in the E-brigade to post (5:30am). Had a hectic
day yesterday and just couldn't get back. This bb stuff is
very time consuming for me -- is it my slow computer or does
everyone find they're spending amazing amounts of time here?

I introduced a skillet-fried chicken thigh for breakfast,
along with julienne carrots and zucchini. It was so
wonderful that I had the exact same thing for lunch, but I
added steamed fresh green beans. 45 minutes later -- BAM!
The reaction to the beans was very obvious -- widespread
aches, especially in joints of hands, muscle weakness,
tingling in hands, etc. ... I had to go lay down, and I was
so miserable I had to cancel a meeting I had at 1pm. The
discomfort was so great that as I laid on the couch I
couldn't even stand to have my arms or hands rest across my
stomach or chest. It took about an hour to where I felt
like I could get up and get to this computer. There's MY
update ... now I'll go back and catch up on yesterday's news
as well as this morning's.

It was a great relief to me to find this allergy to green
beans. I don't think green beans were on the core list for
H-G, but I am phasing into a dr.-supervised diet for candida
and inflammation that includes a protein drink, and they
were approved on his list. I have been comparing the two
lists and strategizing on what things would be wise to try.
I am seeing my dr's diet plan may not be tailored to ME,
like Robert's diet is, so I will be using his format for
reintroducing foods, and only foods from his list that are
approved on the new diet ... am I making sense?

My question, does the six days on the E-diet make me more
hypersensitive to foods that are allergens for me? I have
eaten fresh green beans once a week, at least, for years.
This whole layout makes it very easy to re


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Re: The latest

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 16:30:44:

In Reply to: The latest posted by Johnelle on March 04, 1999 at 15:53:23:

Johnelle,

Congratualtions on your hyper-acute response to green beans! I think the other e-dieters are going to be jealous. I know that you would have gladly given your symptoms to them as you lay incapacitated on the couch.

By eliminating the green beans for a minimum of 5 days and re-introducing them (when your symptom state was low from clearing) you were able to unmask that hidden food allergy. Obviously you like green beans and you've eaten them fairly repetitively over the years. In the presence of a leaky gut you develop a green bean sensitivity.

I list green beans as a Supplemental food for H-G's. It has some of the purine content that makes them metabolically correct, yet it is definately a 'newer' food.

I should add that you can develop a food sensitivity to ANY food (even the core foods that I list as relatively safe).

It sounds like you 'cleared' the reaction pretty quickly. Remember not to test any new foods until you've regained most of your feelings of well being.

Bob



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Re: The latest

Posted by Johnelle on March 04, 1999 at 17:25:28:

In Reply to: Re: The latest posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 16:30:44:

I was really anxious to try green beans, because way back
when I had scratch tests done for allergies, I had a severe
reaction to them ... 38 years ago. I never paid much
attention to it, since I didn't have faith in allergists and
shots didn't do me any good, so I ate them all the time and
never felt any different ... at least that was detectable.
Your explanation of the LGS causing me to be even more
sensitive was valuable to me. Is there hope I'll be able to
eat green beans again someday without doing myself harm? I
like them almost raw, very crunchy and bright green. In
fact, I like a lot of raw vegetables. Are they harder on
your system if not steamed first?

Sara and I have a lot in common -- 5'8", 125-135 lbs.,
fibromyalgia, LGS, C-RS. But unlike her gaining, I lost at
least five pounds on the diet, which I didn't need to lose.
My only consistent symptom was HUNGER!!!! Yesterday when I
went in to my dr. and he quizzed me about my weight, I had
to prove to him I weighed all of 125 by weighing in! I was
wearing a V-neck sweater and you could see my collarbone
very prominently -- bad choice of clothes. I think he was
beginning to suspicion I had an eating disorder and was
lying about my weight. He even checked my height. I was
126 with clothes on, and 5'8 3/4" with shoes on. I've
gained some credibility with him now.

We've still got a pending issue as to whether I am H-G or a
mix. Any new thoughts?

Thanks once again for all your attention!..


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a reaction to peas in Kansas

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 04, 1999 at 17:35:11:

In Reply to: Re: The latest posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 16:30:44:

Yes, Johnelle I find that I spend a great deal of time on the computer and this BB. I call it the cost of wellness and it is worth it :-)

My reaction to snow peas was not as severe as what you describe. Although I took a very long time to recover from lunch and still am not totally recovered. Now snow peas are not something that I eat on a regular basis. In the spring time when they are in season in the garden they would be a staple of our meals as it depends on the gardening year. Anyway,my reaction was one of tiredness, depression, slight head ache and more brain fog.

Johnelle you are very fortuntate to have your support system. I have a very wonderful spouse who when he is home is very helpful. The thing about it is he has been traveling this week and is gone again for 2 days. I have a lot of responsibilites here taking care of animals. The weather has been nice and so that makes it easier. Some of the females are due to start having babies around the 18th so I sure hope I feel more normal by then. I'm pretty low energy after the reaction. I guess the lesson is that if you want to do something like go to town etc don't test a new food, just stick to the safe list.

Thanks for sharing your experiences Johnelle!
Namaste,
Denise


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Re: a reaction to peas in Kansas

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 17:49:22:

In Reply to: a reaction to peas in Kansas posted by Denise Wyrick on March 04, 1999 at 17:35:11:

Denise,

When you told me earlier today that you were going to test the snow peas I thought that they might generate some sort of reaction.

I'm VERY sensitive to regular peas and somewhat sensitive to snow peas. Growing up I used to love peas and ate them a couple of times a week.

Bob


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That's it...I'm getting some peas tonight...

Posted by trish on March 04, 1999 at 18:13:51:

In Reply to: Re: a reaction to peas in Kansas posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 17:49:22:

You're right, Bob, I am jealous that people are getting results...I seem to be stuck in limbo here. I had some filbert butter on an apple today (then I noticed the jar says "may contain peanuts") and no reaction. Had an avocado as part of my breakfast - delicious. Some walnuts last night. Nothing. I'm wondering what the heck is up. I am happy in a way, but I'm worried that maybe something is wrong with how I did the diet or something. Is it the candida? I thought this would be such a revelation and it's just, well, NOT!

frustrated in the 'burbs...
trish


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Re: That's it...I'm getting some peas tonight...

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 20:25:38:

In Reply to: That's it...I'm getting some peas tonight... posted by trish on March 04, 1999 at 18:13:51:

Trish,

Be happy that you are dodging the bullet right now.

I'm glad that you are testing the foods off of my CORE list first AND that you are not reacting to them.

Once you get around to the SUPPLEMENTAL foods and AVOIDS I'm sure that you'll find some reactions.

I once met a woman at the Randolph Clinic right there in Chicago that had strong food allergies to over 35 different foods. Be glad that you don't have that bad of a leaky gut!

Bob


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I'm definately NOT testing green beans tomorrow as planned!

Posted by Sara on March 04, 1999 at 21:31:19:

In Reply to: Re: That's it...I'm getting some peas tonight... posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 20:25:38:

Hi all!

My first day of testing went very well. I tested beef, chicken, and peas. No reaction to any of them. I don't know if I'm jealous or not of you guys having reactions; I'm thankful that I didn't, but I guess I am just really wondering what it will feel like for me when I DO have a reaction. I was going to test green beans tomorrow morning, but I have something scheduled after breakfast, and really don't want to chance feeling lousy, so I think I'll reschedule them!

BTW, if you test out okay to olive oil, does that mean olives are okay? And if you can eat chicken, does that mean you don't have to test eggs? (I think that was already asked a week or two ago, but I can't seem to find that post.)

Sara


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Re: The latest

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 22:48:22:

In Reply to: Re: The latest posted by Johnelle on March 04, 1999 at 17:25:28:

Johnelle,

You'll probably be able to eat green beans in the future on an occassional basis one you have the leaky gut syndrome under control.

Steamed, raw, makes no difference.

H-G, Mixed, Cycler -- we'll have to wait and see.

Bob



Re: I'm definately NOT testing green beans tomorrow as planned!

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 22:51:24:

In Reply to: I'm definately NOT testing green beans tomorrow as planned! posted by Sara on March 04, 1999 at 21:31:19:

Sara,

Olive oil is metabolized MUCH differently than olives. It's also difficult to find raw olives that haven't been soaked in some sort of preserved brine.

Eggs and chicken flesh need to be tested separately.

Bob


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Thanks! (nmi)

Posted by Sara on March 05, 1999 at 08:01:56:

In Reply to: Re: I'm definately NOT testing green beans tomorrow as planned! posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 22:51:24:

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Okay, Bob, you're right...I'm just frustrated I guess

Posted by trish on March 05, 1999 at 10:40:03:

In Reply to: Re: That's it...I'm getting some peas tonight... posted by Robert McFerran on March 04, 1999 at 20:25:38:

I didn't get the peas - I'd already bought cauliflower, chard and more parsnips, and I was too tired to stop at the store anyway!

Could I try some fenugreek tea? What about other herb teas? I'm quite bored with water.

Also, I am drying up like a raisin! Could I take an oil mixture (Ultimate Oil) or do I need to test every oil separately? Is it too soon to test these things?

BTW, I took the nystatin dry a couple of times, because I ran out of time once and forgot another time until I was already in the car. I was trying not to let the driver next to me see what I was doing for fear he'd think I was taking some new fangled recreational drug! It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be! It's certainly more convenient.

be well,
trish


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Re: Okay, Bob, you're right...I'm just frustrated I guess

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 05, 1999 at 11:55:14:

In Reply to: Okay, Bob, you're right...I'm just frustrated I guess posted by trish on March 05, 1999 at 10:40:03:

Trish,

I prefer you start taking any essential oils at the end of your food testing. You can test any non-caffeinated teas individually.

If anyone asks you why they see some yellow around the corners of your lips just tell them it is 'spice' a la the movie DUNE -- "traveling without moving".....

Bob


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Rats! I know I'm missing out on a good comeback...

Posted by trish on March 05, 1999 at 13:24:56:

In Reply to: Re: Okay, Bob, you're right...I'm just frustrated I guess posted by Robert McFerran on March 05, 1999 at 11:55:14:

I don't think I saw that movie...I remember Ahhnold Schwartzenegger doing some drug vacation thing - was that Total Recall? Kind of ironic...I can't recall!

So, medicinal teas like dandelion and fenugreek are okay to test, as long as I don't mix 'em up, right? Or, I can take a chance and try a Celesitial Seasonings blend, and if I DO react, then go back and separate them out...

I'm not testiing beans. Maybe only garbanzo and black beans. I don't really miss them and think they're too starchy for me right now.

As far as not eating fruit for a snack - does that apply to avocados, too? They don't strike me as very "fruitlike" somehow - not sweet at all, you know?

thanks!
trish


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Re: Rats! I know I'm missing out on a good comeback...

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 05, 1999 at 13:31:48:

In Reply to: Rats! I know I'm missing out on a good comeback... posted by trish on March 05, 1999 at 13:24:56:

Trish,

I think avocado (like banana) fall into the class of 'ripened ovary' rather than a true fruit.

At any rate avocado does have a good bit of fat so it might not trigger the hyper-insulinism that 'sweet' fruits with little fat do.

DUNE was the sci-fi flick with Sting as one of the bad guys.

Bob



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