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Robert: Food testing and hunger!

Posted by Sara on March 05, 1999 at 19:05:50:

Robert,

Day two of food testing went well - I have now added artichokes, pork ribs, and olive oil to my diet. I did wonder if I was having a reaction this morning though when I was eating my liver fried in olive oil. I started having some intestinal cramping, but it didn't last very long, and it wasn't much more than I usually feel when nature calls, only that wasn't the case this morning. I didn't experience a drop in energy or anything else, but was just curious about it. I may test it again in a few days just to see if the same thing happens.

One thing I noticed today also is that I have been SO hungry (I can relate to what Johnelle is feeling). My energy level is good, my pulse is still low (I've been checking that also), and generally I feel great. I will feel full after a meal, but then start feeling hungry again sooner than I really think I should. What I ate today was:

8:30 am - liver, olive oil, carrots
11:30 am - round steak, artichokes
1:00 pm - pear (1/2)
2:00 pm - chicken broth
5:00 pm - pork ribs, peas, carrots, pear (1/2)
6:30 pm - pear (1/2)

This morning I couldn't get home FAST enough to make lunch! I was already hungry at 10:00, but wasn't at home and wasn't in a place where I could eat something.

I just finally feel satisfied now, but don't know how long it will last! I'm eating good sized portions of these foods (except for the fruit), so I don't quite understand this. What do you think? More snacks? (I went out today and got some almond butter and some hazelnut butter so that I can test them this weekend).

Also, do you ever allow more than three foods to be tested in one day? For instance, if the tested foods aren't done too close together (at least 3 hours apart), could FOUR foods be tested, or is it asking too much of our bodies?

As always, thanks SO much for your help,
Sara


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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger!

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 05, 1999 at 22:52:53:

In Reply to: Robert: Food testing and hunger! posted by Sara on March 05, 1999 at 19:05:50:

Sara,

Three foods per day is the limit.

There are a couple of things about your diet that I need to comment on. First you should NEVER eat fruit as a snack by itself. It's o.k. with a meal that has meat.

Next, you should try to get more fat in your diet. Rib steak, delmonico or t-bones are MUCH better than round steak in terms of giving your the fat and cholesterol that you need. You will find that you need a good dose of fat AND cholesterol in the morning -- even with that you'll find that you have to have a meat containing meal within 4 hours.

I like liver for breakfast too but I always have a couple of eggs with it and use the olive oil VERY liberally.

These are all little things that will help. You'll notice that you'll be able to go longer between meals in about 2 months. You'll get some benefit when we add in the suppplements (especially creatine monohydrate) to your diet.

Bob


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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger!

Posted by Sara on March 06, 1999 at 07:27:54:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger! posted by Robert McFerran on March 05, 1999 at 22:52:53:

Robert,

Thanks for your help. I should have known I needed more fat, especially in the morning. Before starting the e-diet, when I DID eat breakfast (or brunch) it consisted of eggs and LOTS of bacon - I mean I could put away 8-10 strips by myself. My husband used to just shake his head when we went out somewhere for breakfast - if it was a buffet, I just loaded up my plate with bacon over top of the scrambled eggs.

I know that fruit shouldn't be eaten alone as a snack (that's why I went out yesterday and purchased some almond and hazelnut butters to test), and I was never one that even really LIKED fruit, but it's like I had a, ah, craving (didn't think I'd have to use that word again) for it. I might add that before the e-diet, I RARELY ate any fruit at all, but every now & then just HAD to have an apple or pear.

Sara


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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (testimonial)

Posted by Kyra on March 06, 1999 at 11:10:41:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger! posted by Sara on March 06, 1999 at 07:27:54:


Dear Sara, Bob, Walt, et al.,

Back from a trip to New Mexico, where the skiing was brief but glorious. About the fruit thing; as a fiercely obligate H-G I can't ever eat any fruit. Period. Can't remember my own elimination diet phase much anymore, except that I quickly found that dark meats and fat were the only thing that worked. Even vegies of any kind were out until my body stabilized. And this for someone with a normal blood pH (7.46). My personal falling-down area has been refined carbs. Even after doing the elimination diet and sticking to the mix that I discovered worked for me, with the attendant benefits, my refined carb and coffee cravings remained intense and sometimes truly uncontrollable. This along with sweet liqeur cravings (not for the buzz, but for the sugar). They are only now, after a year and 3 months, virtually gone. I find that when a hint of a refined carb craving comes on, 500 mg of L-glutamine banishes it quickly, as in within minutes.. So this all works, most definitely. My quality of life is greatly improved. I guess it just takes some folks longer than others to reach healthy homeostasis. Call this a happy testimonial. And thanks to Walt and Bob for getting me to this point.

Namaste' all!
Kyra



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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (testimonial)

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 13:35:31:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (testimonial) posted by Kyra on March 06, 1999 at 11:10:41:

Hi Kyra,

Thanks for the testimonial.

I've found that l-glutamine and/or l-histidine are beneficial for H-G's as well as creatine monohydrate. I'm sure we'll be discussing supplements more as many of the e-dieters get to that point -- which, by the way, will be a month after they have finished testing their last food.

Bob


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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine)

Posted by Kyra on March 06, 1999 at 14:37:35:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (testimonial) posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 13:35:31:


Dear Bob,

Thanks for the new info! What are the benefits of l-histidine and what's an appropriate dosage range? Thanks!

Kyra



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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine)

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 16:04:01:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine) posted by Kyra on March 06, 1999 at 14:37:35:

Kyra,

In hunter-gatherers histidine is a pre-cursor for glutamine. Levels of this amino acid are almost alway low in folks with auto-immune disease (along with a whole lot of other stuff). It's more expensive than glutamine. If you want to play with it I'd take about 1/2 the dose that you are taking of the glutamine. Take it at the end of meals and not with the glutamine (they probably compete).

Bob


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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine)

Posted by Johnelle on March 06, 1999 at 20:33:57:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine) posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 16:04:01:

Thanks, everyone, for sharing all this. It is very helpful
to me.
Johnelle
Probably H-G or Mix
Very hungry
E-diet plus two more days...........................



Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine)

Posted by Nancy on March 06, 1999 at 22:28:25:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine) posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 16:04:01:

So, Robert, when would you take the l-glut. and creatine? Between meals?

Thanks



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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine)

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 23:38:57:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine) posted by Nancy on March 06, 1999 at 22:28:25:

Nancy,

I take ALL supplements at the end of meals.

Bob


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Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine): OK, Thanks! NMI

Posted by Nancy on March 08, 1999 at 18:47:35:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Food testing and hunger (l-histidine) posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 23:38:57:






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