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Midwestern E-dieter checking in!

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 14:19:08:

Greetings all! Well I just got home from an expedition of personally getting acquainted with my food source. I found some lamb but they are only a few days old and won't be ready for consumption just yet.

Testing new foods has been slow for me since my reaction to peas set me back. Yesterday I tried beef, I had a hamburger for breakfast and a steak for lunch. I am kind of wondering if I sensed a difference between the range fed beef that I had for breakfast and the regular grocery store steak that I ate for lunch... I don't know! I felt OK after I ate it. I surely didn't have the strong reaction that I had with the peas. I made a trip to town after lunch and managed to function quite well. However, I was aware of a slight pain in my hip that I have not felt for quite awhile. It kind of felt more like lack of exercise and stretching that has been somewhat neglected during the intense week of e-dieting. But I decided not to do the hamburger for breakfast this morning. Bob any thoughts or comments? I sure would like to be able to eat beef since it is easier to locate. Anyway I decided to back off of the beef eating until I had your thoughts. Again, I want to emphasize that the little hip pain felt more like neglect than a reaction to food. Don't ask me how I can distinguish between the two, other than I am pretty in tune to when I need to be doing yoga and my body tells me so.

Last night because I was not going to have dinner immediately I decided to try an egg to hold me over. Probably 1 1/2 hour afterward I got a slight headache and my arms just felt sort of rubbery. So I would put a question mark by the eggs also. Again, it was not as severe as the pea deal so instead of saying definitely I would say a maybe. Bob do you think I could try them again after abstinence for 5 days and see what happens? Since I grow my own eggs and they are a readily available food source for me I hate to be gathering eggs I can't eat.

Today I have added artichoke. So far so good. Charlie came home from his out of town trip with some nice things in the way of vegetables: chard, asparagus things from the core list. Bless his heart he even brought me some more COD. I said thank you very much but it is not necessary! So he ate the cod last night.

Bob... here are some things that I have been wondering about. I stopped taking supplements about mid Jan knowing that I would be doing the e-diet. Well gradually my hot flashes have been returning and I would attribute that to my not taking Vit E. Any thoughts? Secondly, my bowel movements have not returned to normal since the dreaded magnesium citrate. Constipation (probably because of the C-RS) is an ever present issue for me. My movements are not regular and very small. Seems like I have had enough food coming through me that some of it should be exiting by now. I take it that psyllium is not a part of the HG diet and just am wondering your thoughts. I am not uncomfortable feeling bloated or anything like that. Just have had very small movements and usually they are later in the day as opposed to upon awakening. I used psyllium to keep me regular prior to the diet.

I would say that my energy level is better today than it has been. Yesterday because I was able to have meat for 3 meals that I can feel my hunger pains subside, and an increase in energy. Although I'm still not the energy level I was pre-diet. And yes there is still brain fog although not as bad as when I was in the midst of my pea episode.

I hope all you other e dieters out there are doing well and enjoying your weekend.


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Re: Midwestern E-dieter checking in!

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 16:00:17:

In Reply to: Midwestern E-dieter checking in! posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 14:19:08:


Re-test the eggs. What you metioned to me sounded like a mild-moderate reaction.

No vitamins for now. I would be shocked if Vitamin E was the real mediator of your hot flashes. Instead I'd think that the hot flashes were hormonally driven and moving to the proper metabolic diet will help those normalize. Of course the C-RS could play a role here as also in constipation. Don't worry -- you will return to normal without eating oat bran and dosing yourself with psyllium. You get plenty of fiber in the vegetables -- especially the root vegetables.

Keep in mind things are going to be different as you normalize.


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Bob, How about the beef?

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 18:38:16:

In Reply to: Re: Midwestern E-dieter checking in! posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 16:00:17:

Hi Bob, So what do you think on this... hate to wait another 5 days to test for beef again. On the other hand my lamb supply is not enough to keep me happy. Although I do have a nice big lamb roast, those chops are just too darn small. I make short work of them :-)

Also you have posted a phone number for a place that sells bison jerky. would you be so kind as to post it again. I have a line on fresh bison but would like some jerky on hand. It would be great for traveling.

Many thanks Bob, I hope we are not wearing you out with our infernal questioning.

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Re: Bob, How about the beef?

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 20:44:29:

In Reply to: Bob, How about the beef? posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 18:38:16:


It sounds as if you were o.k. with the beef. I think that you will see subtle differences when you eat meats from different sources and obviously, different fat contents.

Beef is a RARE food allergen amoung Hunter-gatherers.


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Re: Bob, How about the beef?

Posted by Johnelle on March 06, 1999 at 20:49:09:

In Reply to: Bob, How about the beef? posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 18:38:16:

Hi Denise, Bob, Walt, Sara, et al

Glad you brought up about the constipation, Denise, since
all you wrote would be a DITTO with me. I am surprised I
wasn't more regular. I've now lost about EIGHT pounds since
I started the E-diet, AND I could count on one hand the
number of times I have, as my son says, "taken a dump"! So
where is all this stuff going anyway???

I haven't had any reactions since the green bean trip I took
Thursday. Sometimes I'll notice myself being a little tired
but can't really tie it in with a food. I did have quite a
spell this afternoon as I was bringing some fresh flowers
home from a shower I helped to give. I was carrying that
flower arrangement in my lap, so the flowers were very close
to my nose. I started thinking, "Hmmm, I think I'm getting
a runny nose." Next thought, "I'm going to sneeze." It
progressed till I was blowing my nose constantly. About an
hour later I calmed down and seem to be back to normal now.
But I would have thought it had been a reaction to a food if
I had eaten ANYTHING at that shower. I'm so glad the will
power kept me in line. Didn't have even a lick of the
finger when I made my chocolate/Reese's squares, so I'm
clear food-wise on this one. This set-up for determining
food allergies is really great. If you stick to it, you
know without a doubt what you're allergic to.

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Thanks Bob! NMI

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 21:41:05:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, How about the beef? posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 20:44:29:


nice to hear from you Johnelle

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 21:58:58:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, How about the beef? posted by Johnelle on March 06, 1999 at 20:49:09:

Johnelle, Glad that you have been doing well! I had my first best meal since the transition from e-diet to the new way. Charlie brought home some of the absolute best salmon I have ever tasted in my life. It was great. I had artichokes with it that were delicious. So this is looking up for me. Food really is taking on a new dimension when you can find good quality. Sometimes you have to search for the quality though.

One question for you Johnelle, I have 2 friends that are dealing with fibro. Would it be OK if I put them in touch with you? I think you can share some of your experiences that might be EXTREMELY helpful. You have been doing such a good job of getting the word out.

I think I am going to be OK with the salmon. SO I am glad to have added another new food to my diet. I have been running behind on adding things for various reasons. It is good to begin to feel like I am getting enough to eat finally.
All the best,

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Re: nice to hear from you Johnelle

Posted by Johnelle on March 07, 1999 at 17:56:05:

In Reply to: nice to hear from you Johnelle posted by Denise Wyrick on March 06, 1999 at 21:58:58:

Thanks for the compliment. I really need to draw up a
health story to distribute, I think, because people are
starting to say I should write a book ... but I've got
WALT'S book! So I just pass it out, but I think I'm going
to have to check back with them and see if they've even
opened it. But I will be glad to talk to your friends if
they have specific questions. You name it, I've probably
tried it, if it doesn't involve medicine. I copied down a
quote I found in one of Walt's posts today ... "The
resolution of any chronic health problem will never be
something you take but something you do."

A lot of times people ask me if I will talk to/call
so-and-so and tell them what helped me. I've learned that
it is wiser to wait till so-in-so is in such bad shape they
are ready to call ME and ask about how to make some
lifestyle changes, because this is a slow and tedious
process to reverse from a downward spiral to an upward one,
as you all know! But it is just amazing to me the number of
people who are genuinely interested, and it rings a cord
with them, especially when I begin to talk about carb.
addictions and stress.

I have a dear friend, older lady, who is going to start the
E-diet this Thursday!!! I'm so excited. She's had
environmental sensitivities too numerous to name that have
intensified terribly of late.

Maybe we'll all get our bowels moving here sometime soon!

Re: Bob, How about the beef?

Posted by Mike Kramer on March 07, 1999 at 22:15:56:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, How about the beef? posted by Robert McFerran on March 06, 1999 at 20:44:29:

Bob and Denise:

Thanks for putting so much information out there. Let me share my personal anecdote.

January 1998 I started the D'Adamo blood type diet. Having read the book I was sceptical. I am an AB and knew I needed to eat a lot of meat to feel OK. But I didn't think it would injure me and I figured it couldn't hurt to have an open mind. After 2 months of going without beef or chicken I was struggling with just lamb and turkey. Then I went to D'Adamo's office in Connecticut, found out my subtypes and was told by another naturopath there that chicken was OK for me. So I stuck out the diet for 7 months. It was pretty easy since the only major meat I had to avoid was beef.

After 7 months I decided that I couldn't see any improvement in my digestive symptoms. I basically ate lots of meat. I didn't follow the AB recommended portions; I just obeyed the avoids. (This was with the blessing of D'Adamo's office.) There was one improvement, however. I tend to get some acne on my upper back. The D'Adamo diet seemed to clear that up. I figure it was probably from avoiding beef since that was really the only significant change I made.

I don't religiously avoid beef now. Sometimes a hamburger is the only food available when I don't have my own. But, if I have a choice, I will take dark meat chicken whenever I can.

Clearing my back wouldn't be worth turning my life upside down. But I thought it might be of interest to someone out there.


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Re: Bob, How about the beef?

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 08, 1999 at 00:06:35:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, How about the beef? posted by Mike Kramer on March 07, 1999 at 22:15:56:

Thanks Mike,

As you might know I've been struggling with putting chicken as an avoid for those with AB blood types. I have seen AB folks that have problems with it (about 20%) and those that don't (the other 80%).

Of course I'm bugged since my sample of AB's that I've sought out is small (about 20 people) and now you are telling me (via D'Adamo's office) that there are AB sub-types that exist that DON'T have problems with chicken.

I know I shouldn't be bugged by this since I know the complexity of all this is beyond the rather simple metabolic typing of Watson and Wiley or those of ER4YT.



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