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BEEF -- 2nd red flag food!

Posted by Johnelle on March 08, 1999 at 14:31:19:

Well, another update from Texas ~
I had stir-fried about half a very thin ribeye two different
times and was looking back over my journal of how I felt,
and though the symptoms were MILD, there were symptoms ...
tingling, slight muscle fatigue. I decided to try to eat a
WHOLE ribeye last night. 45 minutes later -- BAM!-- instant
fibromyalgia all over again, just like with the green beans
a few days earlier.

Symptoms, in the order they occurred:
tingling in hands and feet
aches in joints of hands
hollow feeling in chest
heart palpitations (not increased pulse, just heavy
light-headedness, leading to dizziness
muscle fatigue -- was exhausted after 1 flight of stairs
neck and back strains

Sara, Denise, what have your reactions been like in
comparison to mine? Both times mine were the same, and the
neat part of all this is that this is EXACTLY what the FM
symptoms are, so I feel I'm really getting somewhere with
this new knowledge.

I tested shrimp at lunch and 1 1/2 hours have one by, so I
think the coast will be clear -- whew!

Bob, I will pass your post on to my dear friend who will be
starting the E-diet. I'm printing out a bunch of posts for
her so she'll know what she's getting into. Your comments
are valuable. She is a strong and determined person, very
health-conscious, so I think she will stick with this if she
can handle the diet. She is very underweight right now,
more so than me. Now I am 9 pounds lighter than when I
started the E-diet and am eating like a horse. I guess this
will all turn around??

How are grains and dairy tested differently?

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Re: BEEF -- 2nd red flag food!

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 08, 1999 at 16:17:06:

In Reply to: BEEF -- 2nd red flag food! posted by Johnelle on March 08, 1999 at 14:31:19:


Grains and milk/milk products often induce enteric damage -- thus making the gut leakier. In order to illuminate this effect I suggest that you eat that food (say rice) three times a day for 4 consecutive days and note any changes.

Of course you cannot test any other foods during this time.


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Testing grains and dairy

Posted by JOHNELLE on March 08, 1999 at 19:50:30:

In Reply to: Re: BEEF -- 2nd red flag food! posted by Robert McFerran on March 08, 1999 at 16:17:06:

Wow, four days to test grains or dairy, that's pretty
expensive! Good reason to save those till later! Since I
am not a milk drinker, I don't know how I will test milk --
any thoughts? I don't think I'm even supposed to be eating
cheese with LGS and CRS, am I?

I guess when I test rice you're saying eat it in a
proportion that would be correct for my metabolic type? And
I need to eat the whole grain rice, not refined white rice?

Another question, does the BioBalance book have all this
info we keep asking questions about on the BB? I feel like
I am wedded to this screen every day out of fear I will undo
all my dieting success if I miss a piece of info. I too was
so glad to know the 21-day rule; gets me on the stick. I
could have settled right into enjoying stir-fry chicken with
veggies at each meal. And I was glad to read about
mushrooms being candida-inducing; don't know much about
candida, and when you're in a position of comparing the two
different diets and not having the food choices in one
definite class, my nature is to choose to eat the foods if
they test okay and I like the taste. I've been eating
mushrooms at every meal since I tested okay on them.

Congratulations on the movement, Sara! How enviable ;o)
Do all of us have fibro -- Sara, Trish, Denise?

How deeply I appreciate this forum for discussing all our
questions that come up, and Bob, your unselfish time given
daily, that is truly remarkable to me. Thanks ever so!

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Fibro - yes

Posted by Sara on March 08, 1999 at 20:57:43:

In Reply to: Testing grains and dairy posted by JOHNELLE on March 08, 1999 at 19:50:30:


Yes, but luckily I just have a mild case of fibro (guess I started this wellness plan in the nick of time).

My "movement" this morning, while a relief (in more ways than one) still required a little more effort than I would like. I get a little concerned about this since I had problems with hemorrhoids a couple of years ago (and required a visit to a surgeon for a little outpatient surgery) and it took me months to get the situation under control. I want to do as much as I can to eat healthy so that I can get rid of the candida and to improve my health in general, but I can't do it at the expense of another part of my body. That's why I will be using mineral oil for awhile until my body gets used to this new diet.

Take care,

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Re: Testing grains and dairy

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 08, 1999 at 22:24:39:

In Reply to: Testing grains and dairy posted by JOHNELLE on March 08, 1999 at 19:50:30:


I am rapidly realizing that trying to run a protocol without having the complete protocol in hand is as hazardous as it is frustrating -- to you as well as me.

You shouldn't waste your time testing something that you know that you won't be eating in the future (in your case Johnelle -- milk/milk products).

If you test rice test the whole (brown) rice since it actually has a higher allergenic potential than white rice. You can and should test some of the whole foods that are candida inducing. Of course don't test them if they aren't appropriate for your metabolic type or if you wouldn't care to eat them anyway.

BioBalance doesn't talk about elimination diets and the concept of tolerance. The best we can do for now is to walk you and the other e-dieters through the rest of the protocol and suggest that anyone else who wants to give it a try might be better off to wait until my book is published.


Re: Fibro - no (and other ramblings)

Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 09, 1999 at 10:12:18:

In Reply to: Fibro - yes posted by Sara on March 08, 1999 at 20:57:43:

Hi Johnelle & others, My issues have been more related to structural pain i.e. knee and hip pain, then in January 98 I developed rosacea. So my understanding is that my pains are somewhat different than the constellation of symptoms called fibro but the source is the same. My body has responded very well to the practice of hatha yoga and some Feldenkrais work that I do on my own. There has been a lot of trial and error learning though. I am a very big proponent of "bodywork". I love yoga. I do very simple movements and my practice is really beginning even though I have been doing it for several years. I don't have a teacher but would like to work with someone as I feel I am ready to go deeper with the practice.

I am getting busy on the food testing because of the 21 day time limit. It got me motivated enough to try chicken livers for breakfast (and for me that is a very big deal). I just cleaned my plate and realize I will be able to do this.

I could never have done this major of a shift in my diet without the support of this group. My heart goes out to each and everyone of you! As I was attempting to SR this morning it really struck me how having the internet and this group has really helped to put the pieces of the puzzle together. I am so deeply grateful to each and every one of you!

Re: Fibro - no

Posted by trish on March 09, 1999 at 10:46:39:

In Reply to: Fibro - yes posted by Sara on March 08, 1999 at 20:57:43:

Johnelle et al,

I just have LGS and candida so far. A touch of arthritis. My hope is to nip this in the bud BEFORE I get any worse! Rosacea is a problem, too and hives have come and gone - mostly history now, but when I'm really nervous, they come back.

Since I became aware of the candida and all the ways to deal with it, I have realized my precarious position here. I have not started the downward slide that can so easily develop from where I stand. So here I am, stepping back from the edge of the cliff as far as I can get!

be well all you brave souls!


Re: Testing grains and dairy

Posted by Nancy on March 09, 1999 at 19:52:25:

In Reply to: Testing grains and dairy posted by JOHNELLE on March 08, 1999 at 19:50:30:


I've been reading the accounts of the edieters with interest, but I'm much too cowardly myself to do it without the protocol in hand, as you say. Does the book have a due date yet? That's going to be a cause for celebration!


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