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Garlic for all types?

Posted by Mike Voss on September 12, 1998 at 18:22:52:

I am a type-O, so I suppose that makes me a Hunter/Gatherer?
BUT, I am fond of Veggies, particularly stringbeans, peas, and carrots. In particular I am a great consumer of RAW garlic. The benifits I have realized from this is normal blood pressure, and low cholesteral level. It also helps with Sinusitus, and definately keeps away Vampires;-) I am asking if Garlic is a Universal comestable for all types?



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Re: Garlic for all types?

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 12, 1998 at 19:39:02:

In Reply to: Garlic for all types? posted by Mike Voss on September 12, 1998 at 18:22:52:

Mike,

Blood types have NOTHING to do with metabolism. There might be some association but if you don't fall under that association you would be eating in what could be a deleterious manner.

If coffee makes you feel GREAT and you can drink several cups of it in the morning in succession (without food) without becoming jittery, nervous or it making you feel worse I would strongly suggest that you try the Agriculturist diet. Garlic is appropriate for agriculturists. It does many of the things that you have mentioned (lower BP, cholesterol, etc.). Garlic is NOT appropriate for Hunter-Gatherers and could only be tolerated in small amounts.

Bob


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Say it isn' so!

Posted by garlic gatherer on September 12, 1998 at 21:53:05:

In Reply to: Re: Garlic for all types? posted by Robert McFerran on September 12, 1998 at 19:39:02:

What awful news this is! I'm an intensely hunter-gatherer type, and I get a great happyl, healthy feeling from garlic. What deleterious effects does it have for us H-G's, Robert?


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Re: Say it isn' so!

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 12, 1998 at 23:59:22:

In Reply to: Say it isn' so! posted by garlic gatherer on September 12, 1998 at 21:53:05:

85% of all men in the U.S. are Agriculturists. The remaining 15% are Mixed or Hunter-gatherers. Generally speaking Agriculturists have higher cholesterol and blood pressure values than their Mixed and Hunter-gatherer counterparts. You can see how garlic is perceived as good for EVERYONE when you examine the statistics. The men who are trying it to lower BP and cholesterol are in that majority of men that also happen to have inherited Agriculturist metabolic types.

Wiley found that garlic assisted Agriculturists in moving toward their optimal blood plasma pH and at the same time would move their blood plasma pH AWAY from optimals. So when I say 'deleterious' I don't mean that you will fall dead from eating one clove. IF however you eat it on a regular basis and supplement your diet with garlic extracts you will experience problems if you are a true Hunter-gatherer.

If you are eating a diet high in purine rich foods and fat and are also eating a lot of garlic (and it makes you feel better) I would suggest that you consider you might be a Mixed metabolic type.

Bob


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Agriculturalists

Posted by PeggyH on September 13, 1998 at 00:37:30:

In Reply to: Re: Say it isn' so! posted by Robert McFerran on September 12, 1998 at 23:59:22:

Robert,

You said that Agriculturalists generally have higher cholesterol and blood pressure. If they eat the diet appropriate for them, will those things decrease?

Thanks,
Peggy




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Re: Say it isn' so!

Posted by Linda on September 13, 1998 at 09:56:34:

In Reply to: Re: Say it isn' so! posted by Robert McFerran on September 12, 1998 at 23:59:22:


Hi Robert,

Is there any supplement H-G types can take that would move them toward their optimal pH? It seems to me it's easier to be an agriculturist (whine, whine). Vinegar, garlic, onions, all that good stuff is beneficial for them.

Linda


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Re: Agriculturalists

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 13, 1998 at 11:57:22:

In Reply to: Agriculturalists posted by PeggyH on September 13, 1998 at 00:37:30:

Peggy,

Yes -- exactly.

Agriculturists tend to have higher BP's and cholesterol BECAUSE they are eating a diet they are poorly adapted to. By lowering fat, purine and salt intake these numbers normalize NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY LOWERING FAT but they are eating in a fashion that is BEST SUITED to their inherited metabolism.

Hunter-gatherers (in fewer cases) may also have high cholesterol but once again it's due to the fact that they are eating a diet to which they are genetically poorly adapted. The reason they have high cholesterol has NOTHING to do with the amount of fat or cholesterol they are consuming. The reality is that their liver is producing large amounts of cholesterol (more than they could ever possibly eat) as a response to the stress that they are putting on their bodies by eating a diet to which they are poorly adapted. In fact I've seen vegetarians (that happened to be Hunter-gatherers) that were on prescription meds for high cholesterol. Once they started eating more fat, cholesterol, and especially purine rich foods their cholesterol normalized (lowered) and more importantly -- their HDL/LDL ratios (a MUCH better indicator of coronary disease risk) increased/improved.

This HIGHLIGHTS the weaknesses of reductionistic thinking in nutrition. Counting fat grams and calories will not have any use UNLESS you understand the bigger picture of how our BEST diet is the diet to which we are best adapted.

Bob



Re: Say it isn' so!

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 13, 1998 at 13:44:37:

In Reply to: Re: Say it isn' so! posted by Linda on September 13, 1998 at 09:56:34:

Linda,

If we superficially look at DIET as just being a BLOOD PLASMA pH problem we will find that we don't really understand the true problem with what we are dealing in the first place.

Dr. George Watson used intermediary metabolism values (such as blood gases) and Dr. Rudolph Wiley used blood plasma pH as the INDICATORS of what was 'going on' with their patients.

They looked at a large population of folks and found that they seemed to fall into one of three GENERAL sub-groups. I have found that those sub-groups dovetail vary nicely with the diversity seen by dietary anthropologists. In other words this whole exercise is meant to bring us BACK TO WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

That is eating foods in their whole form and eating the specific foods (as best we can) to match what our RECENT ancestors ate.

It was very hard to be an Agriculturist 40 years ago in the U.S. Now it has reversed where it's tougher for Hunter-gatherers to follow their needed diet. Unfortunately using supplements to offset what nature intended won't work for any of the metabolic types. Take heart though -- the metabolic sub-groups are broad. If you are not at the EXTREME end of the sub-group you might be able to tolerate small amounts of things like garlic, onion, peppers, etc. You'll just have to experiment.

Unfortunately I have found that MOST folks that have become VERY sick have VERY EXTREME metabolisms that will allow little variance if they want to feel their best.

Just think how any one of Dr. Dean Ornish's patients (all EXTREME Agriculturists) would love to have a nice t-bone. I guess one man's ceiling is another man's floor........

Bob





Re: Garlic for all types?

Posted by Claire on September 20, 1998 at 11:54:19:

In Reply to: Re: Garlic for all types? posted by Robert McFerran on September 12, 1998 at 19:39:02:

Dear Robert,
I posted a question earlier asking if someone could develop an immunity to garlic. Garlic use to work wonders for me but lately, instead of becoming really ill and getting over it, my illnesses seem to be less in strength and last a long time (low grade type).
Sorry, I don't understand this Agriculturists/Hunter-Gatherer terms. Is there some explaination for this? TIA


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Re: Garlic for all types?

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 20, 1998 at 13:31:04:

In Reply to: Re: Garlic for all types? posted by Claire on September 20, 1998 at 11:54:19:

Tia,

I don't really understand when you say "an immunity to garlic?"

A garlic deficiency is not what lowered your immunity/got you sick in the first place. The reason why you are holding on to your illnesses longer these days is that you didn't address why you were having recurrent problems in the first place. The processes will continue to get worse until you do something about the cause (beyond using band-aids like garlic).

If you want to understand more you are going to have to understand A LOT more. A great place to start is with Dr. Stoll's book (you can order it here or through Barnes and Nobel.

Bob


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Re: Garlic for all types?

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 21, 1998 at 10:08:52:

In Reply to: Re: Garlic for all types? posted by Robert McFerran on September 20, 1998 at 13:31:04:

Hi, Bob.

Isn't it interesting how often our responses are identical? My response today was done before I saw this one from you.

Namaste` my friend, Namaste` Walt



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Re: Garlic for all types?

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 21, 1998 at 12:12:45:

In Reply to: Re: Garlic for all types? posted by Walt Stoll on September 21, 1998 at 10:08:52:

Walt,

It's a good thing that we are not comedians. I would be guilty of stealing your 'material'.......

Bob



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