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I just put your book down and I was very disappointed. I have been reading all the posts and on numerous times for many ailments I saw you say read my book, read my book. I read it and found nothing!!! Did I miss something? I ws hoping to read about skilled relaxation, all I found is MORE books to purchase on the subject. I saw for costo, read the book, bakers cyst read the book, rolfing, read the book, I saw nothing. Maybe I got the wrong book.....But I doubt it. Thanks for nothing.
In Reply to: THE book posted by Beverly on March 21, 1999 at 01:17:30:
I agree with Beverly. I was also disappointed, I expected disorders to be explained further than what they were. I also went to the Barnes and Noble website and there was NO listingof the stress and relaxation workbook that is mentioned in your book. I wasnt expecting a cure all, but I was expecting to get some general knowledge of it, all I got was shafted. Barbara
In Reply to: THE book posted by Beverly on March 21, 1999 at 01:17:30:
Yes I understand where you are coming from; (and also Barbara, who posted after you) but you have to go deeper and link the information together as it is a very large all encompassing approach, covering ALL dis"ease"s. If you will take the time to read some more on this site, and go through the archives, you will begin gradually to get a feel for the valuable and great work Dr. Stoll is offering to you - for free!! His book is merely a tool, a jumping off point from where you can learn about yourself and what you need to do to stay well and healthy.
In Reply to: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point posted by wendy on March 21, 1999 at 03:20:55:
My initial reaction to Walt's book was somewhat similar to Beverly's. As I eagerly awaited it, I was getting ready to be blown away! My initial reaction was disappointment.
[an aside: It turns out there is a description and rough Table of Contents of Walt's book here at the link below. If a person read that page over before buying the book, it would be clear that this is an APPROACH book, rather than a detailed how-to book. But I did not read that page before ordering, nor are many people likely to. Perhaps that page should be at the top of the order form page. Just a thought.]
I realized after a while and after reading it the second time that (as you said) what Walt's book contains is a brand new "Approach" (rather than all the detailed, extensive how-to-do-it-specifically information one might want on SR, etc). But to be honest, the book DOES contain specific suggestions for many illnesses. This additional information is in (sooooo many) other books, so why even try to repeat it all in his book. Many additional bits and pieces are here in this web site. Walt has written a lot of short specific subject articles available in this web site. The ongoing effort to archive these discussions is admirable and I'm sure extremely time-consuming and tedious. Even then, it takes significant time/effort to really dig deeply into any subject of interest here. A lot of chaff with the wheat (but what is my wheat may well be your chaff :-).
I consider this web site "Last Chance Walt's". No one comes here casually and stays any length of time. Only people with a real chronic problem who are now "Going To (learn and) Do Something About It!" will be here long enough and work hard enough to get what will really help them solve the underlying causes of their dis-ease.
I'd personally like to see Walt do an updated, upgraded, more extensive book. We here could easily suggest about 20 subjects to add or to revise/beef up. This might double the book size to 400 pages! But I'll not hold my breath. Walt has many simultaneous interests/needs. He's selling his existing book (sloooooowly) at cost, and who knows how many thousand he has yet in inventory (down in the basement :-). Besides, would a new, bigger, much more expensive revised/expanded book SELL? The old one sadly never made it to the best seller list. Is everyone who bought the first book going to rush out to buy the new version? There is no mechanism that I know of to even let all those folks know a new book existed.
So, rather than wait around, I'm checking out from the library when possible (and buying only when I must, or when I know I'll want to frequently revisit) several of the other books Walt suggests. None of them have so far been nearly as easy to read and to understand as Walt's book. I can see where they hold a wealth of information, but it is really tough to get useful stuff out of them.
For instance, last night I was reading part of Mind As Healer, Mind As Slayer. I wished so badly that this had been written with some [boxed] theme sentences, followed by explanatory text. Something that would let a person scan the book to learn the major points, and then chose read the details only where such details would likely be helpful. If you are chronically ill, who has the time (not to mention the mental clarity) to read and to digest a book like MAHMAS from cover to cover? It's just not going to happen. So what's potentially "in there" stays effectively "locked out of reach". Unless someone else who has read it shares what they learned in a discussion group like this one. Fortunately, that happens frequently here.
I guess the point of all my ramblings is that we have an approach, some specifics, and a wonderful place to share experiences and to get some free or very low-cost help from several health professionals. It may not be all one might like, but it is the very best that I know of.
RocketHealer (long-winded, but glad to be here!) Jim++
In Reply to: Yes, it is an Approach instead all the info one might want (long) posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 21, 1999 at 08:29:12:
Sorry, but the book was a HUGE disappointment, it read like a who's who in the medical profession, and an advertisement for other books. He didnt go into detail in the book on anything! In tons of posts he refers to red my book, for what? I ask?? I re-read it again, stayed up till 4am this morning, its worse the 2nd time around. Sorry, that's my opinion. I'd get more info if I picked up the phone and dialed ask a nurse. But the BB is a good thing, and his time and effort here is wondeful! But the book is another story.....Bye all
In Reply to: THE book posted by Beverly on March 21, 1999 at 01:17:30:
Beverly,
Perhaps the reason that you received "nothing" from this book is that you are reading it with a closed mind. In order to obtain some insight from what Dr. Stoll is trying to say, you MUST read with an open mind and be willing to at least consider taking a look at things from a different and as yet "unpopular" point of view. I ordered 4 books from Dr. Stoll and have only my copy left. I have given the others as "gifts" to people that I love, who need the information. So far, I have not encountered one who did not see the value presented in the book. I have, however, encountered some closed minded people who haven't yet read the book that I have tried to talk to about this subject who have completely rejected what I was saying as nonsense. It is obvious to me that those people have not yet come to the point on their health meter that they are willing to listen to something new, that may actually help them. I also see some people's rejection of these new ideas as an unwillingness to consider giving up some things that they currently do that are not good for them. This is after all, a dramatic lifestyle change.
In Reply to: THE book posted by Beverly on March 21, 1999 at 01:17:30:
Beverly,
Perhaps the reason that you received "nothing" from this book is that you are reading it with a closed mind. In order to obtain some insight from what Dr. Stoll is trying to say, you MUST read with an open mind and be willing to at least consider taking a look at things from a different and as yet "unpopular" point of view. I ordered 4 books from Dr. Stoll and have only my copy left. I have given the others as "gifts" to people that I love, who need the information. So far, I have not encountered one who did not see the value presented in the book. I have, however, encountered some closed minded people who haven't yet read the book that I have tried to talk to about this subject who have completely rejected what I was saying as nonsense. It is obvious to me that those people have not yet come to the point on their health meter that they are willing to listen to something new, that may actually help them. I also see some people's rejection of these new ideas as an unwillingness to consider giving up some things that they currently do that are not good for them. This is after all, a dramatic lifestyle change.
In Reply to: Re: THE book posted by vickieb on March 21, 1999 at 13:40:21:
Why cant these simple lifestyle changes be put in an 'order' easily to be digested by the run of the mill person?
In Reply to: Re: THE book posted by Beverly on March 21, 1999 at 22:46:49:
Beverly,
What Dr. Stoll would like for us all to realize is that our good health us very likely at our own fingertips. It is all a matter of what we are willing to do to get it.
Through mostly no fault of our own, our bodies and our minds are bombarded with stress almost 24 hours a day. Now I have had doctors ask me before if I was under any stress, (psychologically speaking) to which I usually responded, "no". What those doctors did not explain and which Dr. Stoll's book does, is that most of the stress that we encounter in our lives is not emotional but very physical. Some examples are sounds, chemicals, electro magnetic fields, foods and inhaled substances that we are allergic to as well as all of the emotional stuff that everyone encounters from time to time. To complicate matters further we all are born with a pre-determined placement on the bell curve of immunity, so the amount of stress that we can take before going over the edge may be quite different than that of our neighbor or even another member of our family.
Now the reason that Dr. Stoll doesn't give the step-by-step instructions on how to become well is that it is up to you to decide what you are willing to do first, second, third, etc. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO IS TO DISCHARGE THE STORED STRESS SO THAT IT DOES NOT "PUSH YOU OVER THE EDGE OF THE CLIFF" Different people can do this in different ways (because we are all different) For one person, the first thing might be to get some massage work done and that would help discharge some of the stress. Perhaps another person would start with doing the elimination diet to try to determine what foods they have been eating that they are allergic to and that would help discharge some of the stress. Still another may want to begin by being tested for inhalant allergies and begin treatment for that which will also discharge stress to the body. Yet another may begin by doing some sort of exercise which also helps to discharge stored stress. And some people (like me) just go overboard and do several things all at once. In addition to any of the above, Dr. Stoll would say that EVERYONE will benefit by doing the 20 minutes/twice a day relaxation technique of their choice. How you accomplish that is up to you, but he does give numerous examples of how to learn to do it in the book. You will also find some very good examples of exactly how to do it on this BB. Each and every thing that you do to remove stress will move you further and further back from the edge of the cliff until you are feeling better and getting well. It really is as SIMPLE as that. The point is that YOU have to determine which of these things you are willing and able to do to start. The main thing is to pick something, learn about it, and start doing it. It really is a journey and I am quite certain that no 2 people ever do it in exactly the same way. If you will keep reading this board, you will find alot of help just by reading other people's experiences as well as seeing that it really has worked for others.
The overall message that I received from the book, which I already knew to be true -- Many doctors do not want to take the time to help you discover what you can do to help yourself. (It doesn't make them any money) They are more interested in prescribing a pill or having you make another appointment for a month from now (future revenue) to see how you are doing, or by ordering more tests (yet more revenue) when all the tests they have run so far have not proved a thing.
I don't know what brought you to this web site, but I was brought here because my doctors were not remotely interested in helping me to find out why I was feeling so bad and I knew that there had to be a reason. I found the reasons and the answers here!
In Reply to: Re: What I got from The Book posted by vickieb on March 22, 1999 at 01:21:16:
Thanks, vickieb.
You said it at least as well as I could have and, coming from a reader, it means a lot more than coming from me.
I wonder if this is the question Beverly is asking? If so, it would be TOTALLY worthless for me to say which thing ANYONE should do first, second, etc. Your explanation is perfect!
I REALLY appreciate your help!
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: THE book posted by Beverly on March 21, 1999 at 22:46:49:
Hi, Beverly.
I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking what it seems you are, you have to be very new to this BB.
See vickieb's response to your note & my response to her.
Walt
In Reply to: Yes, it is an Approach instead all the info one might want (long) posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 21, 1999 at 08:29:12:
Thanks, RocketHealer Jim!
Now, if we can get everyone to read YOUR note (grin).
The AMA has done such a marvelous job of training the public to expect a "handout" that lots of people have a hard time letting go of that expectation. If there were a pot of gold at the end of THAT rainbow, there would not be a "disease-care crisis" in this country today and there would be no need for a 'site like this. I would be still practicing medicine and would be a wealthy man.
Those not ready to take the step to self-responsibility will probably not like my book. I looked hard & long before deciding to write my book the way I did. As you say, there are LOTS of books that purport to give "the solution" to some specific problem. A few years after their publication the cynical public is out buying some other "solution book".
I determined that I would do my best to help the reader learn to think in a different way. The only reasons I included ANY specific recommendations was so the reader would have the opportunity to EXPERIENCE that the new way of thinking was valid for them. Ben said it in a pretty clear way:
"TELL ME & I'LL FORGET.
TEACH ME & I'LL REMEMBER.
INVOLVE ME & I'LL LEARN."
Ben Franklin
I have come to the place where I have had enough feedback from those who WERE able to use my book to open their minds to a better way, that I no longer take the time to try to help people like the ones who had to vent their frustration on the BB today about how much of a "ripoff" the book was for them.
If they are lucky, the day will come when they are ready to help themselves. Until then my book might as well be written in sanscrit for them.
I REALLY appreciate your help!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Yes, it is an Approach instead all the info one might want (long) posted by Beverly on March 21, 1999 at 12:19:59:
Hi, again, Beverly.
You would benefit from reading my response to RocketHealer Jim about this (Ben Franklin's Quote).
Walt
In Reply to: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point posted by wendy on March 21, 1999 at 03:20:55:
Thanks, Wendy.
You got it right!
There are some people that just can't break themselves of the brainwashing of the allopathic paradigm. Until they are ready to think for themselves they are not even ready for my book.
See my note to RocketHealer Jom today (Ben Franklin Quote).
I really appreciate your help. I am no longer willing to try to "save" those who are not ready to think a little deeper. They would sooner suffer and there is little I can do about it that I have already done.
It is interesting to me that the vituperative tone in these notes tells me that there is more to this than not liking my book. It is more likely that they are VERY uncomfortable with the concept that they are going to have to think for themselves and THAT paradigm got through to them in spite of what they say: "Kill the messenger!"
I appreciate your help!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: THE book posted by Barbara on March 21, 1999 at 01:25:11:
Disorders were explained. A laundry list of them wasn't necessary since most come from the same cause.
In Reply to: Re: THE book posted by vickieb on March 21, 1999 at 13:41:34:
Thanks, vickieb.
See my note to RocketHealer Jim today (Ben Franklin Quote).
I agree with you that the people who have such a negative reaction to the book are not ready to help themselves and nothing either of us can say will make any difference.
I REALLY appreciate your help, though. It always tears at my heart strings when I see people refuse to see a way that will help them simply because they are not ready to think.
However I have learned that there are enough who ARE ready to help themselves that I better donate what time I have to them rather than to keep hitting my head on the concrete wall of those not yet ready. It is called "triage" in medical parliance.
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: THE book (TRIAGE!) posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 1999 at 11:37:11:
With all due respect,
I can't believe this...and I am not referring to what is written in your book, but the reaction some have that someone feels dissapointed in it!
Someone doesn't like your book, or agree with what you have to say...and they are referred to as closed minded, or unwilling to help themselves! Is "closed minded" the same for you, since your not open minded enough to allow someone to be free thinking enough to disagree with you? There are several ways in which one can help themselves...it doesn't necessarily mean they have to like your book to do so. I've read your book and I was dissapointed in it as well...I've thought a lot of what you've had to say has been interesting and much, also valid...I've seen people get reply's "read the book"...and what's the reaction to when someones basically says...the answer they were looking for, wasn't there? I've been lurking around on here long enough to realize what that is. I'm simply a dietician, who felt I was actually open minded enough to see if I could learn anything new or helpful about diet...and I have, and for that I thank you. I don't necessarily need to agree with everything to be "open-minded"...I have my own mind, and I'm not gaining anything from what I have to say, other than the preservation of a free mind! What do you gain by defending your book, or constantly referring to it...well maybe that's in the book too.
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 1999 at 09:41:21:
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In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 1999 at 09:41:21:
Although I don't know anything about your book or SR, if it is anything like meditation (I'm a TM'er) I am all for it! Daily meditation is a wonderful method of releasing stress and healing ones self (and others?).
I once had an experience where I started to get this nasty throat malady, the kind where a white spot or two appears back near the tonsils, and from my experience (asthma, allergies, etc.. when younger) that means BAD NEWS! I was fortunate enough to have a lot of time to myself in the 'field' that day at work and essentially meditated all day continuously (in my work truck)and tried to attack the developing illness from all angels.. visualizing my white blood cells bombarding it, visualizing white healing light fusing with my Being and healing my body, etc..etc..
And at the end of the day the spots were gone! No swollenness or anything! There were actually times when I felt as if I could feel the healing energy as well as my throat becoming less swollen, etc..
I personally feel that when we are down in that Alpha/Theta Zone, many strange and beautiful things can happen.. I have actually heard the Theta state, from 4-8 Htz described as 'the window to the soul' :D
Is your book available at amazon? Have you heard of Hemi-Synch and TMI?
Peace and Love to You,
Brian
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Brian T on March 23, 1999 at 02:46:52:
Hi, Brian.
Everything you have said here is on the money! Have you ever checked your brain rhythms while you are doing your TM? The national statisitcs are that 49% of those doing TM correctly area actually routinely reaching the "relaxation response". Once a day helps but twice a day atually reverses the hypothalamic burden contributing to most of the chronic conditions of "civilized society".
Book IS available at Amazon.com and also at barnesandnoble.com/
Also. ANY bookstore can order it from their "books in print" book but the least expensive & quickest way to order it is described in the "Dr Stoll's Book" link on this page.
The hemi-sync approach is valuable for a lot of people but they STILL would be well advised to check out its effectiveness with a biofeedback test.
What is this about Three Mile Island (TMI)? [grin]
This reminds me of the wonderful quote below:
"I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA."
Mahatma Gandhi,
(When asked by the British Press what he
thought about Western Civilization.)
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Walt Stoll on March 22, 1999 at 09:41:21:
Dr Stoll, some of us arent book smart as you. If you could speak in normal, understanding sentences, maybe we could get more from this BB. I for one read your answers and its like reading a prescription a dr has written. Im not saying Im stupid, but someone asked what is bracing? I read the answer, AND still DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS.
In Reply to: Re: THE book (TRIAGE!) posted by JoAnna on March 22, 1999 at 17:43:11:
Hi, JoAnna.
One can lead a horse to water.................
As a "dietitian" you have the same handicap that I have had as an "allopathic physician". Our conventional paradigm is incompatible with the "holistic" thinking that will be necessary for the 21st century. You just have to transcend it!
Look at the Tolstoy quote I have put on this BB so many times. This difficulty with shifting paradigms has been known for millenia.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Beverly on March 23, 1999 at 12:03:39:
Your question comes up so often here and yet Walt and his son Bill are SOOOOOOOO busy doing just what they are doing now --- that I just had an idea how to help you and them and hopefully everyone here out.
I'm hereby volunteering to start and to maintain a Glossary page (words and acronyms followed by brief laymen's definition/description of 1-3 sentences max.) for people here who get confused by our terms or our Acronyms.
I'd create it off my personal (LFTWR) web site, since: (1) I can access/maintain that easily, and I cannot affect Walt/Bill's site. and (2) It fits in well with my Healing web page content.
All I would need is the following:
Encouragement to do this (-: after I do my Income taxes! :-)
A prominent link to this new Glossary page (with my email address indicated for any questions/submissions-to hopefully take that frequent newbie question 'What in the world is "SR?"' load off this discussion board).
People here to email me with their Glossary questions and submissions to be added to the web page. I'll look thru the current discussions and pick up a lot of the commonly used terms. After that, if a few people would look it over and suggest additions/editing, that would help me a lot.
Because this Glossary would be on a single (large) web page, it could be easily searched with the "Find in Page" command that nearly all browsers have. I'd probably put a suggestion at the top of the page to use that search feature, else you'd have to scroll way down the page till you find what you are looking for. Probably do it in alphabetical order.
Yes, I know we use a LOT of terms/acronyms. Could not be over 1000!
What do you think?
Would this help?
Would Walt/Bill be willing to add the link? (after there was something semi-populated there to link to, of course!)
Could a few people volunteer to test/critique the Glossary while it is being developed?
After I get it going and well-populated, then we could consider adding links back to Walt's applicable pages, but this would be a major undertaking. A job of the future search engine. :-)
If Walt/Bill wanted to take over the Glossary page at some point, they could simply copy it to their web site and do whatever they wanted to do with it. I'm just offering to help. Remember the words from the guys standing at the door? "We're from the Government, and We're here to Help!"
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Beverly on March 23, 1999 at 12:03:39:
Hi Beverly, I'll jump in here since you still are uncertain about what is bracing... I hope you don't mind. Imagine that you are watching a Stephen King movie, riding the scariest roller coaster in the world, a phone call in the middle of the night, an intruder breaking into your home. OK so what is your physical response to those events? How does your body feel? I would guess that your heart starts beating faster than normal, your breathing might become more rapid, your palms might sweat, your muscles tense to name a few of the things that might happen to your body. Now imagine that you spend your days and nights in that state of "uptightness". That would be chronic bracing. I hope that helps.
All the best,
Denise
In Reply to: I'll volunteer to start and to maintain a GLOSSARY posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 23, 1999 at 12:41:44:
I'm a pretty good writer, and would be happy to contribute in whatever way you feel would be most useful...
I am sorry I missed this whole conversation until now = one day off work and it's hard to catch up!
:-)
trish
In Reply to: I'd be happy to help in any way I can... posted by trish on March 23, 1999 at 14:51:25:
I'm betting that Walt and Bill will accept any help they can get :-), so I'm going to start looking thru the discussions for frequently-used acronyms, etc. and start that way.
If there is something we talk about all the time here that is not well-defined, the word (or acronym, spelled out) and a layperson description would probably be useful. Rather than cluttering this discussion board with proposed glossary entries, how bout you (y'all) just email me directly. I nearly always type in my email address, so any post I make points right back to me :-)
I'll probably have a "look and feel" start of a Glossary page (with a few actual entries) in a few days (-: whether I get my taxes done in that time period or not :-)
An idea, let's keep this Glossary light and cheerful and perhaps even humorous. Can you write short humor???
In Reply to: Re: What I got from The Book posted by vickieb on March 22, 1999 at 01:21:16:
I havn't had a chance yet to read Dr. Stoll's book (anxiously waiting for it in the mail), but I have read numerous posts? and different sections in the archieves etc ... but in a way I was trying to figure what this whole BB
is all about (meaning what was it's philosophy), and were the things that it was talking about going to be helpful to me.
7 years ago when I first aquired my 'gift' (breathing problem. I delt with it the way that I knew and from what others told me. I sought an allergist, MD, I've gotten chiropractic adjustments (I sought many different avenues with reguards to chiropractic), fooled with my diet to a degree (not as disciplined as a total elimination diet).
I even tried some 'wierd' things to see if there would be any changes ie tried not to use certain laundry detergents, toothpastes etc ...
Basically I sought to gain control and eliminate my breathing difficulty through the means and knowledge that I knew and what others (chiropractors, md's etc) knew.
So that's why I stated "I think you spelled what this BB is all about", because instead of having A and doing b and c for it one has A and does Y and Z for it. And it is quite different to say the least.
I am the type of person that will believe it when I see it (especially after so many 2 letter initial people have told me what will help me and what wont in the past).
Sean
In Reply to: Re: I'd be happy to help in any way I can... posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 23, 1999 at 15:12:28:
As I stated, I'm happy to help, but I must warn you that I am limited in the time I can spend on line since I'm here at work! So...I can probably best contribute in the way of reviewing/editing/making (hopefully) helpful suggestions and/or grammatical stuff. (see how articulate I am? ;-)) I can do more if we're not on a tight deadline.
May I suggest an appeal to the masses via a new post??? That would give us a picture of what is most confusing. Maybe.
Hmmm....Can I write short humor? I feel an opening there, but I'm woefully short of answers to that right now! Besides, that depends on who you ask!!!
I think this is a great idea, AND I totally agree with your light-and-cheerful-and-humorous-where-appropriate approach.
I will await your list of items and email you soon to talk more. I you'd like me to post a call for items, let me know - I can probably do it tomorrow. (this week, I'm not working at my own desk for the whole day...)
trish
In Reply to: I think you spelled what this BB is all about. posted by Sean on March 23, 1999 at 16:12:27:
err
I was just going to say that I am not convinced that these things (rolfing, SR, whole food diet, elimintaion diet) will get rid of my breathing problem; but enough people on this board swear my the results of these things that I am willing to give it a shot (and doing those things certaininly wouldn't hurt me).
Sean
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Walt Stoll on March 23, 1999 at 11:31:28:
Hi Walt! Thanks for the kind words. I guess some of my words appear to have rubbed some people the wrong way here, which is sometimes an unfortunate result of someone suggesting to you that the world may sometimes actually be different than you are perceiving it to be! How profound! Well, I'm no exception, but it takes more than opinion to sway me. As interesting as D'Adamo's book is to me, I will have to review his documented research before I am a believer. After all, I am type O and vegetarianism changed my life profoundly.. and I wasn't all that unhealthy of a meat eater back in the day...
May I ask: What is the general opinon of his work within the medical community?
I would love to hook up to some brainwave measuring equipment and see how deep I am getting. Do you have any recommendations as to how I might proceed on that path? I live in the LA area, if that helps.. :) I would love to hook it up to my Martial Arts instructor. He was a monk for 6 years, studying spirituality and training other monks and I'm convinced he's floating in the theta almost all of the time.. hee hee. Most of our training is outside and different parks and such. It's wonderful.
Actually.. I will leave right now as to float into the zone within my evening meditation. After work... [ ].. before dinner. ;)
The Gandhi quote made me chuckle. hee hee hee. Peace and Love to You,
Brian
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Walt Stoll on March 23, 1999 at 11:31:28:
PS- Thanks for the book info!
I will gladly buy it! That vacation Mimosa was on me!
:D
brian
In Reply to: A lay person's definition of bracing posted by Denise Wyrick on March 23, 1999 at 14:44:34:
Ok Denise, thank you. That I understand fully, now what do I doto reverse this??? My body has been tense for years and years. Is this repairable? And if so what will help? Thank you, Beverly
In Reply to: Re: A lay person's definition of bracing posted by Beverly on March 24, 1999 at 01:48:58:
Hi Beverly, Skilled relaxation is what one does to relieve themself of chronic tension. However, before getting started Walt often recommends to get deep tissue massage 3 times per week for 2 weeks. That way a person knows what it feels like to be relaxed. Then a rolfing series (a type of massage kind of) that works with the soft tissue. Basically, rolfing helps you become more aware of your body and places where you are holding tension. That of course is a very simplistic description of rolfing. There is a great deal of discussion about this in the archives.
About skilled relaxation... there are some recommended books listed here on this site to help you get started. There are many many ways to do skilled relaxation. What works best for a person really depends upon the individual and it takes some experimentation and A GREAT DEAL of practice. Walt recommends that you practice SR 2 times daily, upon awakening in the morning and then at least 2 hours before you go to bed at night. After you have been practicing for awhile you will want to have a biofeedback practitioner validate that you are actually arriving at the "relaxation response".
It may be overwhelming at first but please don't be discouraged it is the most important thing you can do for yourself. I am still learning and perfecting my technique and I have been working on it since last summer. If you look over the archives on skilled relaxation you will find reams of information. Feel free to ask questions and let others here know what you learn. All the best &
Good luck!
Denise
In Reply to: Re: THE BOOK is your tool, a starting point (Kill the messenger?) posted by Brian T on March 23, 1999 at 20:48:22:
HI, Brian.
L.A. should be lousy with biofeedback instructors. You could look at the BB (probably not yet archived) for ideas obout how to build your own with a kit (gsr) for less than $30 ( a pretty good one). Or, you could buy a good GSR one already in a box for about $300. Since there is a pretty good market in used machines (Since, once one has the skill they no longer need the machine, machines barely used are for sale.) you might think of that AND realize that you could get back at least half of your new purchase price by selling it when you no longer needed it. There are enough people on this BB who really need one for a while that this would be a good place to buy & sell a machine.
Once people get good at this, they can choose to stay in alpha or theta ALL the time--------a WONDERFUL way to live!
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: I'll volunteer to start and to maintain a GLOSSARY posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 23, 1999 at 12:41:44:
Hi, RocketHealer Jim.
What a wonderful offer! Bless you!
Let me know if there is anything we can do to facilitate this project. OR, perhaps, better yet go directly to Bill since he would be the one who would be sophisticated enough to make your job easier & be sure it is instantly available to all those needing it.
Bless you again. Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: I'll volunteer to start and to maintain a GLOSSARY (Hooray!) posted by Walt Stoll on March 24, 1999 at 13:27:21:
Thanks, Walt, for the encouragement. I figured you would like a little help!
I've started out by going over you site looking for acronyms and what they mean. I think I have most of them found and spelled out. I'm thinking of starting the Glosssary with these, then having a second part with words and phrases followed by layperson definition and then one or several links back to your articles or the archives. I've been collecting these links as I went. There is a wealth of information already available on this site. I'm not sure people realize that and/or see an easy way to find it. This Glossary should help in that. It will be more than a Glossary, since it points back to the best sources of information in the site.
At the moment, other than the effort required to make the page (cutting and pasting and typing!!!!), I think the biggest hole I know of is the layperson's definition for the words/symptoms/treatments. I thought I'd put what I have into a page, get the link info to Bill, post the link info here for "testers", and solicit inputs, while I slowly look for definitions on the web, PDR, etc. A realy knowledgeable person like yourself or Robert could probably copy what I'm creating and type in lots of good definitions into an email in short order. We'll see. If I have to search them out one by one on the web, it will take quite a while, and will be less useful in the meantime.
Onward and upwards! I'll post the link when I have something "testable".
In Reply to: For Beverly posted by Denise Wyrick on March 24, 1999 at 09:58:41:
Thanks Denise, you are very kind. Maybe I am searching wrong, I go to the BB and is that the archives?? Not too experienced with a pc. If its not can you please tell me where to go? Do you use SR? Thank You
In Reply to: Re: For Beverly posted by Beverly on March 24, 1999 at 20:15:52:
Hi again Beverly, If you go to the top right hand corner of the page of the BB you can select something called "health articles" that will take you to a screen that will have some topics to choose from. A good first step would be to read the article on Skilled Relaxation. To look at the archives again you do the same thing, go to the right hand corner and select archives. From there you can select which archives to view. There is a wealth of information there. Let me know if that works for you.
A good book to help you experiment with various techniques is the Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook. I got my copy through Amazon.com, but it is readily available at many bookstores. I am still learning and am nowhere near perfect with my practice. But would be more than happy to talk more with you about it. Hope this helps & that my instructions were clear....it has been a hard day and my brain is not up to speed.
All the best,
In Reply to: Re: GLOSSARY (Hooray!) posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 24, 1999 at 14:21:07:
Thanks, RocketHealer Jim.
NOw, if yu can lead me through how to enter the info where you need it AND get it back to you. I agree that Bob & I can help with helpful definitions.
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: GLOSSARY (Hooray!) posted by Walt Stoll on March 25, 1999 at 13:07:42:
Walt (and all), I put up the (empty) Glossary page at: http://askwaltstollmd.com/wwwboard/a_gloss.html (linked below). Whenever Bill wants to test it and link to it, that will be fine with me. I won't change this address, but I'll be filling the page with content over time. Meanwhile, we can click on the link here for testing purposes.
I'll go ahead and put all that I have collected into this page, starting with the Acronyms, then the Glossary items, which will include all the acronyms (spelled out), plus a great deal more subjects! Then, since this is and will be a work in progress, I'll just let folks email me: jim-marconnet@att.net with their suggestions for changes and additions. That should keep down that traffic from this board.
Since I already have a LOT of material to include, I won't know till I start cutting and pasting it in just how large a single page I can make. I may have to put the Glossary words all on one page and then link to several other pages for the definitions and applicable links. Something like WORD, Definition Link, Article Link, Archive Link running across the page, with the words alphabetical down the page. If so, this will be more work, but if that is what it takes, so be it.
Links-wise, I'm only using those of your existing web pages, your articles and the existing archives. Individual posts are likely to move when they are archived, so I'm not even trying to link to them. I'm just grabbing a few words or sentences that cover the particular glossary item.
That on-line medical dictionary provided pretty good definitions for most of the words I've worked on so far. The ones it does not have are the specialty words, like Skilled Relaxation, Hellerwork, Leaky Gut, Hunter/Gather, Avoid Foods, PEPTO-BISMOL, NMI, Doorbell Wire, etc. etc. We really do have our very own specialized wellness language here, up to now not documented :-)
I'll let you all know here when there is some real Glossary content! It won't be too long now.
In Reply to: GLOSSARY page (EMPTY) is up, contents to follow SOON! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 25, 1999 at 13:33:18:
WOW, Jim! I'm impressed!!!
I am speachless as well.
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: Getting a biofeedback machine. posted by Walt Stoll on March 24, 1999 at 13:16:57:
send them to www.thoughttechnology.com
In Reply to: Re: Getting a biofeedback machine. posted by Larry Klein on November 04, 1999 at 23:57:30:
Thanks, Larry.
Walt
Best of luck with everything!
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Re: THE BOOK
Posted by Brian T on March 23, 1999 at 20:53:32:
Re: A lay person's definition of bracing
Posted by Beverly on March 24, 1999 at 01:48:58:
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For Beverly
Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 24, 1999 at 09:58:41:
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Re: Getting a biofeedback machine.
Posted by Walt Stoll on March 24, 1999 at 13:16:57:
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Re: I'll volunteer to start and to maintain a GLOSSARY (Hooray!)
Posted by Walt Stoll on March 24, 1999 at 13:27:21:
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Re: GLOSSARY (Hooray!)
Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 24, 1999 at 14:21:07:
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Re: For Beverly
Posted by Beverly on March 24, 1999 at 20:15:52:
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Re: For Beverly
Posted by Denise Wyrick on March 24, 1999 at 22:27:01:
Denise
Re: GLOSSARY (Hooray!)
Posted by Walt Stoll on March 25, 1999 at 13:07:42:
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GLOSSARY page (EMPTY) is up, contents to follow SOON!
Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on March 25, 1999 at 13:33:18:
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Re: GLOSSARY page (EMPTY) is up, contents to follow SOON!
Posted by Walt Stoll on March 26, 1999 at 18:40:38:
Re: Getting a biofeedback machine.
Posted by Larry Klein on November 04, 1999 at 23:57:30:
The GSR2 is only $60, GSR/Temp2X only $140, U-Control sEMG $350. Also a dozen programs from leading clinicians from Major Medical Institutions on Stress Control, Stop Smoking, Sleep Well, Breathing For Health, Public Speaking with Confidence, Taking Tests with Confidence, Flying Relaxed, Sex Tune-Up, Pain Control, Weight Control, Just Say Know and Mind Over Muscle.
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Re: Getting a biofeedback machine.
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