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Hi Dr. Stoll,
I got my order of your books yesterday. Thanks for the personal message inside the cover of mine and for signing the others. I'm going to give them to my family immediately.
I started reading your book last night from the front cover, and have gotten to the Arthritis chapter. I have a question about the leaky gut chapter.
What do you think is the time scale you are talking about when you say that peptides from our food that aren't supposed to get through our guts DO get through with a leaky gut, and then our immune system attacks them and then attacks molecules in our tissues that are similar? In other words, how long do you think it takes to feel it in the tissues, once you eat something, and it leaks, and your body decides to attack? I am trying hard, with the help of Robert's diet, combined with a rotation diet (perfect organic whole foods diet) and careful observation and recording of my diet and symptoms, to pinpoint some of the things that are causing my fibromyalgia. It's very hard to do, without knowing how long it might be between when I eat something I react to and I feel the pain. It doesn't seem to be immediate for me. I think my e-diet got a bit screwed up, too, because the rel. humidity in my house at the time was around 77% and I think I'm allergic to mold. I was having major congestion every morning. I bought a dehumidifier, and that seems to be getting better.
I feel like I am very close to finding out some things, because I go for several days with practically no pain (or very mild pain, which is a HUGE improvement for me) and no big crashes of fatigue anymore, then I suddenly get pain again. But so far I can't detect a pattern, in other words, it doesn't seem to always be the same food, so I'm not sure what's triggering it. It would help me find out if I knew how far back to look. I have totally eliminated all grains and most fruit for the moment, because I did notice a pattern with them and my crashes. I had eliminated dairy, but ate some feta cheese and butter a couple of days ago. Now I'm wondering if maybe the reaason I had serious hip pain yesterday was the dairy I ate on Monday and Tuesday. Is this feasible? Or was it the orange I ate yesterday (a test to see if I crashed, which I didn't)?
Any help on this missing piece of the puzzle would be appreciated. My crashes and pain don't seem to be related, that is, they don't occur on the same day necessarily, but I KNOW they are related.
Oh, and I've started the SR and I understand well, from your wonderful explanations, it's the most important part of the whole thing, so I will be very diligent about it.
Thank you so much for any help you can provide,
-Earthgrl
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll- Reading your book and I have a question posted by Earthgrl on November 14, 2003 at 10:02:34:
Thanks, Earthgrl.
Peptide responses are most common within the first 24 hours but commonly take a few days--UNCOMMONLY as long as a week.
Also, it may be a combination of different foods. For example, one may only react to corn when wheat is eaten at the same time. Combinations may also happen within 24 hours or as long as a week later.
This can be VERY difficult to work out and only a long term diary of diet and symptoms will do that very well.
Remember, in most cases this is pretty simple but any individual case CAN be very complicated.
Hope this helps.
Your SR will make all of this "easier".
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll- Reading your book and I have a question posted by Walt Stoll on November 15, 2003 at 07:56:38:
Walt,
Thanks a lot for your response (by the way, I meant to say I'd gotten to the Atherosclerosis chapter, not Arthritis, which I was well past). I see what you mean, this could take a long time to figure out. I guess a strategy of just eliminating things I suspect for awhile, then reintroducing them slowly and seeing what happens, when I am back to decent health, would be the best approach.
And I see even more now why the SR, foods, and exercise are the most critical parts. Because it's the only way to give you body the breathing room it needs to get back to fairly decent health without eliminating every other factor that you might be sensitive to, which would be impossible. Since it's so difficult to figure out what you're sensitive to because of the possible time lag and the interactions (like the one you mentioned for wheat and corn), and it is, at best, a long-term proposition, the SR, whole foods, and aerobic exercise are the things you CAN control in the short term to help you get away from the edge. I think I've been focusing too much on figuring out what allergens are bothering me. I will still keep records and see if down the road I notice some patterns, but I will start to focus a lot more on those three things.
Thanks for helping me see this. I think it will be critical. I'm so glad I found your site and got your book (I had a bad cold when I started reading it, and now I've got Ester-C to help prevent those). Your book is fantastic! Such a clear explanation of the whole thing. I'm glad I got several to give away. Thanks so much for writing it and making it available so inexpensively. You really must be helping huge amounts of people this way.
Namaste'
Earthgrl
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll- Reading your book and I have a question posted by Earthgrl on November 15, 2003 at 10:52:40:
The dreaded elimination diet can help you weed out your allergies and sensitivites once and for all. It is a lot of effort, but if you feel that hidden allergies are holding you back from health, you might find it worthwhile. You can read about it in the Robert McFerran archives here, or on the site linked below.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll- Reading your book and I have a question posted by Earthgrl on November 15, 2003 at 10:52:40:
Thanks, Earthgrl.
I appreciate the boost.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll- Reading your book and I have a question posted by labrat on November 15, 2003 at 17:37:17:
Hi Labrat,
Yes, you are certainly right about the e-diet, but I have already done the elimination diet (Robert answered some of my questions by personal email). The problem is that I think I was one of those people who have problems with it because I have inhalent allergies. Unfortunately, I didn't catch on to this until AFTER I was almost finished with the diet. I did the diet very strictly, but I still did not completely clear (though I cleared quite a bit) and my crashes didn't always seem to relate to what I was eating. But it did point me in some directions, and it also showed me that I have a hunter-gatherer metabolism, which convinced me to give up my 12-year vegetarian diet and start eating meat again, which has helped with my energy level tremendously. It also showed me that my inhalent allergies are a lot worse than I thought (waking up congested every morning-- I think I've been doing that so long I had learned to tune it out!). I checked the humidity in my house (it was 77% for several days running!) and got a dehumidifier. Now I'm keeping it around 45%. Next is encasing my mattress and maybe an air cleaner (though I'm not sure how effective those are-- have to do some research).
Anyway, the e-diet was a bit muddled for me, but it did give me some possibilities. So right now I'm avoiding my suspect foods and trying to concentrate on SR and exercise and my whole foods meat-inclusive diet.
Also, I have discovered that sleep is a big issue for me. I read something on a site about fibromyalgia that we don't go into delta brainwave sleep, and that means we don't produce growth hormone and so don't heal. So I got the Brainwave Suite CDs, and astonishingly, whenever I use the sleep one right before sleeping, I get a good night's sleep and have far less pain the next day. So I'm a believer. I am also using the other CDs for my SR.
Any other suggestions would be appreciated, though.
Thanks,
Earthgrl
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll- Reading your book and I have a question posted by Earthgrl on November 16, 2003 at 20:51:02:
I had a similar experience with the ediet but for different reasons. I had a bacterial problem in my gut plus no food allergies really, so I didn't clear to any great degree...I had a weird "rebound" problem during testing if I recall, but it wasnt due to food allergies.
Anyhow, allow me to suggest the product described in the link below. I use it to great benefit, being prone to sinus problems, especially in the dry winter months. It's much easier and less messy than a neti pot.
I was prescribed an herbal relaxation supplement and my husband says he noticed that I slept much better after taking it...I will find the link to that too, and post it later.
Also, I am a huge proponent of massage therapy to help you relax on an ongoing basis. Try it, you'll like it!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll- Reading your book and I have a question posted by labrat on November 17, 2003 at 10:05:33:
Thanks a lot, Labrat,
Very interesting about your e-diet experience. Maybe I have some of the same problems (who knows?) because my big crashes during testing were rather inexplicable (unless I'm allergic to all sorts of strange things, like pears, for one). I had the feeling that I was just having withdrawal that went on and on. It did finally stop, though, until last evening, when I had another big crash. Hmmm. . .what did you do about your bacterial problems?
I will check that nasal rinse thing out for sure. As for sleep aids, I did try valerian and kava. The kava seemed to make me sleep LESS at first, before it kicked in after a couple of days and then made me so relaxed I couldn't do anything. The valerian seemed to make me MORE tense, at least when I first started using it (heart racing, even), and so I haven't used either one in awhile because I don't want to go through the initial effect. But if you have another suggestion, I'd be willing to try it.
And I just signed up for my first bodywork session the other day, with my yoga teacher who is also a cranial-sacral/massage therapist. The first opening he had was Dec. 4, and boy am I looking forward to that. Can't really afford a whole lot of it, but I decided it's really worth it.
The yoga is helping, too, when I'm out of pain enough to even bring myself to do it. But these things take time. . .I have to be patient.
Thanks for all your suggestions. I'm open to anything that makes sense.
-Earthgrl
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