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Hello,
I recently listened to a cassette tape about how to improve one's speech.
The cassette said that chronic neck and shoulder tension (which reduces the ability to speak well) is almost always caused by improper breathing habits. The improper habit of breathing with the chest creates tension, tightening, and stress to the neck and shoulders (bracing).
The proper way to breathe is "diaphragmatic breathing", which means your waist has to move out and in with each and every breath.
I tried this and immediately noticed a significant relaxation in my neck and shoulders. It was more than just noticeable, it was really comfortable.
Then, the next step was to retrain myself to do this type of breathing all the time. I've been working on building a new habit during the last five days. Whenever I remember, my neck and shoulders relax. By this time, I've built the new habit enough that last night in my sleep, my entire nervous system started making adjustments to the improvement in breathing, and another layer of healing is happening.
I feel this new habit of breathing is decreasing another layer of bracing and significantly improving my dysautonomia. I hope that others who know they are bracers will try "belly breathing" and that Walt will archive this post. I feel it is truly another piece of the puzzle for healing chronic illness caused by bracing.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 04, 2005 at 09:58:27:
Hi Jan,
I, too, have found that deep "belly breathing" is very calming; but haven't been able to continue this type of breathing without actually thinking about it -- retraining my body. You've motivated me to give it another try. Thanks!
Donna
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 04, 2005 at 09:58:27:
Hi Jan,
Two years ago my gyno found ovarian cysts. I immediately started that deep belly breathing. I practiced it all the time, day and night, I was obsessed. What I found was that it was incredibly relaxing. But sometimes I noticed it made me too relaxed in certain situations where I needed to be more alert, like in driving and interviewing, etc.
So I think one has to find the right balance. Perhaps my breaths were too deep or too often, as I take big bites out of life in general, and sometimes that's not so good. But I still really like it and believe in it, and try to do it often. Also, it can help you loose weight. I think because it lowers cortisol and so forth, and one when is relaxed their digestive system works better.
Keep it up, it's a good thing!
gabs
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 04, 2005 at 09:58:27:
I've always breathed this way, and I am known to be very calm most of the time. I wonder if there's really a cause-effect relationship.
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 04, 2005 at 09:58:27:
One question about the belly breathing, happygal.
Is it still important to breathe through the nose, and out the mouth, still maintaining diaphragm breathing???
P.S. I too just noticed how my upper body relaxed when doing this.
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 04, 2005 at 09:58:27:
Thanks, Happygal.
This is one reason I keep saying for everyone to never stop learning and trying other techniques if eheir present program is not fulfilling their needs. There are nearly as many approaches to SR as there are people and only trial and error will finally find the best approach for that person.
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Miss bliiss [4.1601] on January 05, 2005 at 04:25:58:
Hi Miss Bliss,
It works, I was so surprised to feel how much I relaxed. I'm glad to hear you shared my experience.
I have heard that nose breathing is more beneficial because it heats and filters the air before the air reaches the lungs. I think you can breathe out of the nose, also. Being natural, and doing the belly breathing.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by DonnaW [302.465] on January 04, 2005 at 11:34:20:
Thanks, Donna W.
Keep practicing!
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by gabriella [87.890] on January 04, 2005 at 13:24:59:
Good point, gabs.
Glad to know that it helped you so much.
Lowers cortisol? Wow, that's good to hear! I need that!
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by R. [27.1490] on January 04, 2005 at 23:22:16:
Hi R,
I think there is. I have noticed that if I'm trying to fall asleep, breathing deeply relaxes my body -- it seems to stimulate the parasympathetic nervous system. I didn't connect the deep breathing with belly breathing before, though.
It really does seem to have a calming effect -- definitely a relaxing effect on the body. I'm so delighted to hear of your experience.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by Waalt Stoll [9.1465] on January 05, 2005 at 06:47:08:
Thanks, Walt.
There are also some of us (especially me) who need not only one approach, but integrating many approaches simultaneously in daily life to achieve the dynamic health we want. I still do my meditation 20 minutes twice a day, I've started taking a yoga class one night a week, plus now I'm doing this breathing practice 24/7. I also use imagery when falling asleep. I feel like the "SR Queen." LOL It works!
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 04, 2005 at 09:58:27:
Hi Jan,
Did you read the article in Alternative Medicine called "Can deep breathing save the world?" They were talking basically about the same thing, the deep belly breathing but they said to inhale and exhale through the nose so I guess there are different ways of doing it. I tried both ways (exhaling through the noce and mouth)and noticed that using just nose alone was more relaxing to me and my breathing was slower and more controlled when I didn;t have to open my mouth. I have been doing so much deep reathing lately that is becoming a habit, a good one I should say:-) Thanks!
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 05, 2005 at 07:10:12:
You're welcome Jan, and happy breathing, lowered cortisol, and a happy New Year!
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 05, 2005 at 07:12:12:
It's also part of breathing of yogis.
In Reply to: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 04, 2005 at 09:58:27:
Also Jan, there is alternate nostril breathing which is terrific.
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 05, 2005 at 07:16:28:
I also use imagery when falling asleep.
I know a man who told me that he has cured his hernia (don't know which type) within weeks by using imagery about twice a day (upon awakening and falling asleep). It's important to imagine what you want in great details and add other modalities (feeling, emotions, sensations, etc.). About 3 min each time.
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by R. [2970.4] on January 05, 2005 at 15:08:10:
This reminds me of what Louise Hay said in her book "Heal Your Life". She cured herself of terminal cancer, she had just a few weeks or months to live when she started a series of holistic and alternative methods, one being the visualization of healthy cells snuffing out the unhealthy ones.
In addition to visualization and other such techniques what strikes me as crucial is a very strong will to live.
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by gabriella [180.890] on January 05, 2005 at 15:27:02:
Yes, strong will to live is key. This is actually what spiritual strength is. If it's weak, not much good will happen and last in one's life.
I didn't have enough time to write all I wanted. So, I'll add something now. That man also taught his his methods to his father-in-law, and he cured his hernia too. The man also used the same method to cure his heart disease (valvular defect). I think he said it took him several months.
He stressed that visualizing details is very important. He said that he asked a doctor to help him produce a mental image of what should be in the heart and visualized that. He also said that mood is very important. Essentially, you should visualize being healthy.
You should create a feeling that you are healthy. Predending is fine -- a thought first, matter will follow.
I've witnessed people eliminate their scars and varicose veins within days by using essentially the same approach.
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by R. [2970.4] on January 05, 2005 at 16:50:27:
Thanks for sharing this R.!
So what I'm getting from all this is that Norbekov's major focus is visualization? It's interesting because visualization = a powerful affirmation, a powerful throught, and you're absolutely right, first thought, then action.
Our thoughts control our subconscious, which is such a total slave to our thoughts. It's the key to everything, save genetic weaknesses, which even then can sometimes be overcome.
It sounds like I'm going to have to go to a Norbekov workshop or read his books if he has any.
If you ever eliminate or change anything from your own person, maybe you can tell me how...
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Happygal [2070.23] on January 05, 2005 at 07:08:04:
Hi Happygal
Since your post on this, I have been noticing how much I regulate my breath unconsciously, by holding my breath. Not good.
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing posted by Miss Bliss [4.1601] on January 05, 2005 at 21:39:50:
Hi Miss,
It's good to be aware!
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by gabriella [87.890] on January 05, 2005 at 17:19:34:
I still plan write a report on this.
Yes, visualization is his major focus. As is forgiveness. The instructor told us a story about a woman that cured her multiple sclerosis whose progress stopped at some stage. She could only proceed when she forgave (with Norbekov's help) her father for a terrible action.
Visualization in the system is used in a plain way, for example, in a process that they call revision of health (you just traverse your whole body and see its parts the way you want them to be). Visualization is also used in special exercises that involve energy, for example, moving an imaginary ball of warmth and a feeling of pricking and cold throughout the body in specified directions.
If you ever eliminate or change anything from your own person, maybe you can tell me how...
You can be sure I will share my results with the board. But for a case this board is no longer here (or you stop visiting it), you may want to give me your email address. And I will definitely tell Thessa and Bliss about them too.
I plan to work on improving my eye sight now, but the method involves widely known exericises (with some addition, effectiveness of which I don't know about personally). All I know is that a lot of people improved their eye sight very much using the method -- within a few days (according to their statistics, 1 dioptre for 3-5 days). But my sight isn't too bad, and I don't have much pressure to do it, so...
It sounds like I'm going to have to go to a Norbekov workshop or read his books if he has any.
This may be a problem for the time being if English is the only language you know. However, considering that the man I told you about has achieved so much with so little, it may be reasonable to suggest that THAT is enough. Add forgiving and letting go of whatever you could be suppressing, and you are set for abundant health. If you can't find a verbal guidance through a forginess technique, I suppose could help you with that. But I am sure these things are available freely enough.
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by R. [2970.4] on January 06, 2005 at 16:54:59:
Thanks very much for your post R., it was quite helpful. I'll look forward to your report and in the meantime I learned some more from you. I always figured forgiveness played a role, a huge role, but it sounds from you that unless there is total forgiveness, no healing can take place?
"for example, moving an imaginary ball of warmth and a feeling of pricking and cold throughout the body in specified directions."
This is great, very specific and I can see how the body would have a physiological reaction to this image. I just tried it and actually felt a reaction.
It sounds like your eye exercises will be very beneficial when the time comes for you to do them. That's one area I need to keep strong as well. Let us know how that works.
As far as the workshops are concerned are they all conducted in Russian? All I can say is "hello, goodbye, and I love you very much"! So, I would need some help then, and yours would be truly appreciated if I couldn't find another way.
And thanks, I will definitely take to heart your point on forgiveness. It would be truly amazing if lifting that one burden would do the trick. It sounds so simple, but I'm not sure it is, I have to try though!!!
I left my email at the top of the post,
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by gabriella [180.890] on January 06, 2005 at 17:40:15:
You are welcome, Gabriella.
unless there is total forgiveness, no healing can take place?
I don't think that NO healing take place, just not complete.
I can see how the body would have a physiological reaction to this image.
It's supposed to dilate and constrict blood vessels. Probably something else too as focusing on a part of the body sends energy (hopefully healing energy) to that place. I have recently noticed that I feel some tingling in parts of my body when focus my attention on them. I didn't notice this before.
I've read a book that is called Molecules of Emotions. According to its author, there are molecules that spread signals of emotions to cells in our body. And Norbekov has, reportedly, discovered some enzyme that does that. I don't know if it's true or not, but it seems to produce a useful model, and I don't want to look for a contradicting evidence. Blood takes about 30 seconds to travel around the whole body, so it takes about that much (according to the model) for your emotions to reach all cells. If you create the feeling of health, it the message will be conveyed to all cells, and they will start manifesting it on the physical level. The more intense the feeling is, the more vivid and detailed your mental image is, the stronger the message. Using terms I got from an email list on the topic how to make money (it's actually about manifesting anything you want in life), that is how you put power into your thought. Using correct words also helps. You need to hold this feeling for at least 30 seconds.
As far as the workshops are concerned are they all conducted in Russian?
As far as I know.
All I can say is "hello, goodbye, and I love you very much"!
:) Just slightly less than enough to take a workshop.
If you are really determined to put them to use, I could probably translate the exercises for you. At least some of them, and maybe individual techniques will be of value to you. And they (well, some of them) ARE supposed to be tools to be used for specific purposes. For example, correction of the skin, e.g. removing scars, marks, etc.
Maybe I should translate the forgiveness track first. I don't know if it's going to be as moving as what's on the CD. It's essentially a guided meditation whose purpose is to get you to think of people (including yourself) from whom to ask forgivess and whom to forgive for anything and everything... just because everybody is with flaws and it is good for you. Even Sun has spots!
Try to find something like that yourself, and if you can't, I will try to translate what I have on their CD. Interestingly, forgiving myself (my inner child) was most moving. Probably everybody in the room was crying...
It would be truly amazing if lifting that one burden would do the trick. It sounds so simple, but I'm not sure it is
Maybe (just maybe... I'm speculating here), it is not enough but necessary. I view having harbored emotions as having one leg on the brake pedal when trying to accelerate. And it is not simple for some. Some people don't want to even try (there are probably some secondary gains for them to keep those emotions). Some think it's silly. But you don't seem to be one of them.
One part of the system is, as I said, exercises for the spine and joints. I have a video tape with them. Maybe I could get it to you. If I could convert it into digital format... it would take only a CD. I'll somebody for help with that.
Try EFT (www.emofree.com) too. It has helped a lot of people. Just tune into the problem and follow specified steps, and that could be the end of the problem forever.
By the way, what motivated you to choose your email name? Does it have anything to do with why you think you need to work with your anger?
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by R. [2970.4] on January 06, 2005 at 18:32:04:
This is a wonderful post R.! I am just taking a very quick sweep of the board right now because I'm in the middle of making crockpot stew and if I wait much longer I'll be eating at midnight. So I promise I will respond to this later this evening and thanks again.
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by gabriella [180.890] on January 06, 2005 at 19:07:52:
PMFJI, I've been evesdropping. There is a website so you can contact them for more info if required on English materials or classes. (see link)
I am neutral on this one. I don't know if it is any more effective than some of the other techniques. I feel strongly though that many times there is a large emotional componant in healing. It seems the technique does not work on hair loss, judging by Norbekov's picture. ; )
Thanks for taking the time and effort to post this information, R. Did you take a ten day workshop?
S
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by R. [2970.4] on January 06, 2005 at 18:32:04:
"I don't think that NO healing take place, just not complete."
I was thinking along those lines, it makes sense.
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"It's supposed to dilate and constrict blood vessels. Probably something else too as focusing on a part of the body sends energy (hopefully healing energy) to that place. I have recently noticed that I feel some tingling in parts of my body when focus my attention on them. I didn't notice this before."
This makes a lot of sense to me too, and is so timely because I was just talking to Philly and thessa about energetic blocks and healing at that level, and I'm very interested in it. I haven't yet looked into NAET, but thessa said she tried it recently and was very pleased.
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"I've read a book that is called Molecules of Emotions. According to its author, there are molecules that spread signals of emotions to cells in our body. And Norbekov has, reportedly, discovered some enzyme that does that. I don't know if it's true or not, but it seems to produce a useful model, and I don't want to look for a contradicting evidence. Blood takes about 30 seconds to travel around the whole body, so it takes about that much (according to the model) for your emotions to reach all cells. If you create the feeling of health, it the message will be conveyed to all cells, and they will start manifesting it on the physical level. The more intense the feeling is, the more vivid and detailed your mental image is, the stronger the message."
So then are you saying that depending on the emotion, the enzyme will vary? This reminds me of feelings and emotions stimulating certain neurochemical responses in the brain. So then basically the cells are told to either be healthy or not, to live or to die, depending on the particular emotion? I love this stuff, thank you so much for sharing it! Now don't flinch too much when I say this, but this is the message that I felt the movie, "What The Bleep Do We Know" was trying to get across?
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"Using terms I got from an email list on the topic how to make money (it's actually about manifesting anything you want in life), that is how you put power into your thought. Using correct words also helps. You need to hold this feeling for at least 30 seconds."
Well given what you've just said, the power of thought has an even more intense meaning, an even stronger biological and physiological meaning than I thought. I felt it had to be something like this but didn't know the specifics. Very interesting!
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"If you are really determined to put them to use, I could probably translate the exercises for you. At least some of them, and maybe individual techniques will be of value to you. And they (well, some of them) ARE supposed to be tools to be used for specific purposes. For example, correction of the skin, e.g. removing scars, marks, etc."
Thank you R. that is a very generous offer. I think what I'll do is call their 800 number and ask about English translation. My mother worked with some Russians and I'm going to ask her if any can help. I'll only lean on you if my other paths fail, so that way I don't have to take up your time.
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"Maybe I should translate the forgiveness track first. I don't know if it's going to be as moving as what's on the CD. It's essentially a guided meditation whose purpose is to get you to think of people (including yourself) from whom to ask forgivess and whom to forgive for anything and everything... just because everybody is with flaws and it is good for you. Even Sun has spots!"
That sounds like the logical track to start with and if I can't get some translation help then yes, that's the one I'd love you to start with. My God it's going to be hard, was it for you? I hope I can do it, so much is riding on it.
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"Try to find something like that yourself, and if you can't, I will try to translate what I have on their CD. Interestingly, forgiving myself (my inner child) was most moving. Probably everybody in the room was crying..."
Ok, I'll try to find a tape on the subject. They must be around. I absolutely believe you when you say forgiving yourself was the most moving, because that is when we face what we do to ourselves. We can only control others just so much, but we're supposed to have total control over ourselves. And to witness our own mistreatment of ourselves is devastating. I bet that room was incredibly intense! What a humungous step you've take, I commend you.
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"It would be truly amazing if lifting that one burden would do the trick. It sounds so simple, but I'm not sure it is"
I couldn't have said it any better myself!
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"Maybe (just maybe... I'm speculating here), it is not enough but necessary. I view having harbored emotions as having one leg on the brake pedal when trying to accelerate. And it is not simple for some. Some people don't want to even try (there are probably some secondary gains for them to keep those emotions). Some think it's silly. But you don't seem to be one of them."
I agree with the above completely, and thank you, yes, I really do want to try and forgive, it's a huge burden to carry around.
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"One part of the system is, as I said, exercises for the spine and joints. I have a video tape with them. Maybe I could get it to you. If I could convert it into digital format... it would take only a CD. I'll somebody for help with that."
That would be so nice of you and I would really appreciate it. You know the spine is considered the kingpin in yoga along with the breath, so I'm already a little familiar with it's importance and it won't take much convincing. Right now my CD player is broken, but I can play regular old tapes in my VCR, that way you wouldn't have to convert anything, if I'm understanding you correctly.
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"Try EFT (www.emofree.com) too. It has helped a lot of people. Just tune into the problem and follow specified steps, and that could be the end of the problem forever."
I've tried the tapping before and while it put me in a mild meditative state, I didn't see it eradicate things like you and Yildiz talk about. Might give it another try.
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"By the way, what motivated you to choose your email name? Does it have anything to do with why you think you need to work with your anger?"
I chose my email name as an exercise in decensitization. When I was a child I had two recurring nightmares. One was of Tarantulas and one was of Tidal Waves. So now all these years later I was still frozen with fear when I saw pictures of the Tsunami on TV. I know why I'm angry, and I don't see the connection with those dreams so far. Maybe that's something I'll find out.
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Thanks again for all this information and help R. It was wonderful, and you are a very intelligent and helpful person. I respect the fact that you're digging for answers like this and are improving your life, perhaps even dramatically.
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by Sounder [1194.48] on January 06, 2005 at 21:41:38:
Hi Sounder,
Love your abbreviation! And no worries, you're very welcome. Thanks very much for the link. I'm going to call them within the next day or say and inquire about English translation.
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"I am neutral on this one. I don't know if it is any more effective than some of the other techniques."
I understand, I think it has to do with different styles and how the resonate with different personalities and timing and all that stuff. The most important thing is if something works. The power of positive thinking has been a common thread throughout most improvement techniques.
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"I feel strongly though that many times there is a large emotional componant in healing."
I agree, and there's a biological foundation for it too.
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Good point about the hair loss even if it's a joke, I wonder if he can treat for that or does he feel like it's a sign of verility?
Thanks Sounder,
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by Sounder [1194.48] on January 06, 2005 at 21:41:38:
Yes, I took the workshop.
As for the baldness... maybe for some reason it didn't work for him automatically, and he didn't think it was important enough to focus on? I would have given more weight to this, had I not witnessed firsthand results of others (well, I had to trust people's words, but some of them were my friends and relatives, not infomercial people).
I don't know if it is any more effective than some of the other techniques.
Me neither, and actually they are essentially the same as some of the others. He took them from Easterns systems (probably yoga, some Chinese). His major contribution that I see is putting it all together in a comprehensive system that encompasses many modalities and specific methods (physical and mental/emotional/energy) and making it public in a convenient form and using effective marketing. Many of people that I know who benefited greatly from using his system either hadn't heard about other systems and methods or didn't believe their effectiveness and/or were too lazy and/or not smart enough to use them by themselves. But hearing about other people's results and having it all brought to their faces, so to speak, did the trick. You know, it's pretty hard to ignore when a relative says that she got rid of migranes, psoriasis, and snoring (it took her attending the 10 day workshop twice and possibly practicing the system for 40 days total each time to accomplish all this). And another relative announced that her scar dissappeared after the 3rd day of attending the workshop the first time. On the second time, she said that her right ear that she hadn't been able to use for phone conversation (due to hearing problem in it) suddenly started to hear. It's hard to know what worked for her... the system has (on the first level) exercises for the spine and joints and some accupressure massage, in addition to emotional/energy work. As another example, a friend of mine says that her hearing improves a lot when she's doing physical exercises from the system. So... it depends on the cause, I suppose. And they actually say that the system involves 10 approaches to achieve a very high success rate.
As you probably saw from my comments about the man who healed his hernia and heart valvular problem, his method is effective enough by itself (at least, it was for him and his relative). But his method is essentially the same as what is used in Norbekov's system. My purpose for posting about Norbekov's system isn't to promote his system necessarily but to let people know of the power and potential to heal ourselves that we have, and of some directions in which they could go about it.
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breath posted by R. [27.1490] on January 07, 2005 at 02:50:00:
Excellent post!
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breath posted by R. [27.1490] on January 07, 2005 at 02:50:00:
Excellent post!
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by R. [2970.4] on January 05, 2005 at 15:08:10:
That's real interesting. I'd be interested in knowing what kind of hernia.
Thanks for posting this,
Mary
In Reply to: Re: Walt and others -- An additional way to alleviate bracing Archive in breathing. posted by gabriella [180.890] on January 06, 2005 at 19:07:52:
R, I agree. This is a great post. Thanks to all who have posted. Thanks, Jan for starting this thread!
Mary
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