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Dr. Stoll, What's The Point of More Breast Scans?

Posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 06:51:31:


Dear Dr. Stoll:

Below is an article about a new breast scan for cancer.

The more scans that are pushed, the more money that the doctors make, and the more money to the companies who sell the scanners.

So what if they find breast cancer? They have no answer for breast cancer.

They just have surgery & drugs. The same old thing. They slice the breast off, get plastic surgeons to sell reconstructions, and sell more chemo.

If you notice, the Powers-That-Be are not educating women about prevention.

But, they are the ones who are helping to cause the cancer.

Doctors prescribe hormones for women. These hormones can help cancer cells to grow.

They tell us we need mammograms, yet the radiation can cause breast cancer.

The chemical companies poison our environment, and yet they are the ones that are associated with the American Cancer Society.

They cause our cancers, then they charge us for screening our breasts.

They have no cure for cancer, and are not likely motivated in finding one, but they keep screening.

The more women they can screen, the greater their chances are of finding cancer.

If they can find cancer, they can sell more mastectomies, reconstructions, chemo, radiation, and Tamoxifen.

Follow the flow of money. It leads back to the medical community, drug companies, and chemical companies.

Women could live longer and healthier, in some instances, by NOT having mastectomies, reconstructions, etc.

Thanks,
Pam


Electric bra could spot cancer

BBC News
May 22, 2002

Scientists have developed a cancer-scanning device which is worn as a bra and finds tumours with electrical pulses.

It is to be tested on thousands of women in a trial about to start in China.

Researchers from De Montfort University in Leicester designed the bra, which they believe could be as effective, or even more effective than traditional x-ray mammograms, while being safer and cheaper.

It uses tiny electrical currents which are passed through the breast, working on the principle that the differences between healthy breast tissue and tumour tissue affect the way the current gets through...


[Excerpt from BBC News]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_2002000/2002809.stm



Re: Dr. Stoll, What's The Point of More Breast Scans?

Posted by An on May 23, 2002 at 08:13:49:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, What's The Point of More Breast Scans? posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 06:51:31:

Hi I do agree with you but, I think its good that if you do get checked you can get the cancer early then if you did self breast exam yourself. and thats not always the case but in some cases it is . So I think thats why they try to find more scanners whatever to use to detect the breast cancer early. all the other stuff I do think your right. But my friend who was just diagnosed with breast cancer the 2nd friend this year, she always did SBE and she did not catch it, but the mamogram did so it does help. and as for the hormones I totally agree I will not go on them I get scared about the higher chances of breast cancer. Thanks for the artical



Thermography From CAM Doctor Would Be Better

Posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 11:54:23:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, What's The Point of More Breast Scans? posted by An on May 23, 2002 at 08:13:49:


An:

Thanks for your feedback. It would be nice if women could get thermography instead of being railroaded by Allopathic doctors into mammograms, disfiguring biopsies, etc.

But, the reality of the situation is that women will just be pushed by high pressured doctors who will insist that they have mammograms, biopies, mastectomies, reconstruction, chemo & radiation.

If women can find a CAM doctor who used thermography to find turmors, that would be a better way to go.

Thanks,
Pam



We Are Factory-Farmed Cows Waiting To Be Butchered

Posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 15:47:08:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, What's The Point of More Breast Scans? posted by An on May 23, 2002 at 08:13:49:

An:

Here's the point about breast scans: Even if a woman has a breast scan, and the evidence points to a tumor, a doctor cannot say it is cancer unless a biopsy is done.

A biopsy is performed by an Allopathic surgeon. When I had my biopsy, they cut out half my breast. I was purple & green for a month and was disfigured.

Then if the biopsy is positive, the woman will be scared half to death. She will be referrred to an Oncologist, another Allopathic doctor.

The Oncologist will tell her she may need a mastectomy, but they will say that they now have reconstruction that will restore the breast (s).

The woman will be sent to a plastic surgeon, who will not give informed consent and will NOT offer alternatives.

The woman will not know the consequences -- such as being disabled by implants or tissue flaps.

The woman will be rushed and pushed to make a decision. She will trust the doctors and have faith in what they say, because doctors are there to keep us healthy-- right????

She will end up in the corrupt medical monopoly's machinery, and can very likely end up worse than what she started.

She will believe that all this was to "save" her life. But, she has never read Dr. Stoll's archives on cancer and about the cruel joke played on women.

They woman could have lived 20 years and not have done anything. In that time she could have built up her immune system and exercised and went on with her life.

She could have gone to a Naturopathic doctor who would have worked with the body's own natural defenses.

If I had it to do all over again, I would never allow any surgery. I would have thermography, and perhaps radiation for the tumor.

But, since I was lied to and tricked, I am disabled and my cancer was spread by those plastic surgeons.

Now, I have the cancer worse than what I began with. But, the National Cancer Center took my insurance company for everything they could get.

Who are the winners? The corrupt medical monopoly machinery. Of course, the women won't know that. They will be bald, poisoned by chemo, mutilated by surgery, but they will go away saying the doctors saved their lives!

They don't know about Alternatives or Natural medicine because the doctors who have tried to get natural cancer cures have been put on trial, like Dr. Burzynski or run out of the U.S., like Dr. Clark.

Women are simply factory-farmed cows, waiting to be butchered.

By the way, those aren't my words. One of the other women who went to the same National Cancer Center told me that we were "butchered like a cow."

Pam



Re: We Are Factory-Farmed Cows Waiting To Be Butchered

Posted by Raisa on May 23, 2002 at 18:53:48:

In Reply to: We Are Factory-Farmed Cows Waiting To Be Butchered posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 15:47:08:

Pam, please don't "beat yourself up" about having had the surgery, etc. You don't know for sure that you would have lived 20 years if you had not had the surgery; although, I realize that you would have been much better off if you had not had the reconstructive surgery. My example for the former statement is a person I knew who was a twin. She was very close to her sister and didn't want her to know she had a cancerous tumor in her breast; so, she didn't have surgery and consequently died because the tumor spread to other parts of her body. Sometimes surgery helps and sometimes it doesn't; I certainly agree with you that the allopathic doctors are not candid in their explanations of breast cancer alternatives to their patients, probably because they do not know any better (or havent't bothered to learn about it.). But I do have three friends who are alive and well, who have had mastectomies (no reconstructive surgery, though). Raisa



THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME

Posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 22:10:38:

In Reply to: Re: We Are Factory-Farmed Cows Waiting To Be Butchered posted by Raisa on May 23, 2002 at 18:53:48:


Raisa:

You have totally missed everything that I have been saying! This isn't about me crying on somebody's shoulder about how sad I am and how terrible my life is.

This is about Medical Fraud!!

This is about the CHOICE THAT WOMEN WILL NOT RECEIVE!!!

THIS ISN'T ABOUT MY PERSONAL LIFE STORY!!!!!

Cutting off a woman's breast is NOT A CANCER CURE. THERE IS NOT CANCER CURE!!

A WOMAN HAS TO TAKE CONTROL OF HER OWN BODY. SHE NEEDS TO KNOW ALL THE INFORMATION. SHE NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT CAM MEDICINE AND THAT WOMEN HAVE OVERCOME BREAST CANCER THROUGH NATURAL METHODS THAT WORK WITH THE BODY INSTEAD OF AGAINST IT.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD BREAST CANCER????

HAVE YOU EVER HAD A MASTECTOMY??? IF NOT, THEN YOU CAN RELATE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

YOU DO NOT KNOW THE PERSONAL TRAUMA THAT YOUR FRIENDS ARE GOING THROUGH. YOU CAN FEEL THEIR PAIN.

ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE HAS SURGERY & DRUGS! IT WORKS AGAINST THE BODY.

NATURAL & CAM MEDICINE WORKS IN HARMONY WITH THE BDOY!!

WE HAVE A NATURAL DEFENSE MECHANISM CALLED AN IMMUNE SYSTEM. IT KILLS CANCER CELLS.

I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE HAS LEARNED ANYTHING ON THIS BOARD.

EVERYONE'S MIND IS SO BRAIN WASHED BY THE MEDIA AND THE ALLOPATHIC MONOPOLY THAT YOU CAN THINK FOR YOURSELVES.

I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED!

PLEASE, DO NOT MAKE THIS A PERSONAL ISSUE. NO AD HOMINEN STATEMENTS.

THIS IS NOT THE STORY OF PAM'S LIFE. THIS IS ABOUT A CORRUPT MEDICAL MONOPOLY.

THANK YOU,
PAM

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Raisa, Please Read Dr. Stoll's Cancer Archives

Posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 22:49:38:

In Reply to: Re: We Are Factory-Farmed Cows Waiting To Be Butchered posted by Raisa on May 23, 2002 at 18:53:48:


Raisa:

Please read Dr. Stoll's archives about cancer. I have pasted an excerpt below. Raisa, cutting off women's breasts and poisoning them with chemo is no guarentee that the cancer is gone or that it won't come back.

I'm sorry that I got so upset with you, but there is a holocaust of women out there who are disabled, sickened and some dead, now, because of these very issues....I speak with them everyday.

I know that you don't understand because you don't hear them. Their voices are muted by the media & by the medical monopoly. They have been gagged & silenced, in the same way that Dr. Stoll was...

Thank You,
Pam

Summary discussion about cancer:

We all know that cancer is much more likely in one with poor immunity.

With the Human Genome Project we are also learning how to find those people with heightened susceptibility to cancer being the outcome rather than allergy, sarcoid, eczema and the many, many autoimmune conditions that are
also related to immune reserves.

SO. wellness is anyone's best protection from contracting cancer and is the first thing anyone should do as a lifestyle.

In 1997 it was reported that the 4 most common cancer diagnoses, in this country, would be each be reduced by more than 50% if people would just
supplement their diets with 200 micrograms of Selenium/day. This is NOT a case of "If some is good, more is better."

Too much selenium is toxic. 300 micrograms a day is probably perfectly safe but more than that can be risky.

Simple, inexpensive with no side effects! Why is this not common knowledge?

Why has not the Cancer Society made it a policy to tell people about this?

What would happen to the Cancer Society if cancer disappeared?

Next, consider this:

The current policy of calling a 5 year SURVIVAL a "cure" is a cruel hoax.

Most cancer patients would survive that long with no treatment at all.

A good example is breast cancer. "Early Detection" is pushed shamelessly.

The natural history of breast cancer is 20 years survival.

If the cancer is not discovered until the 10th year, the average person would have a 10 year survival.

If not discovered until the 15th year they would have a 5 year survival.

If discovered by the 5th year they would have a 15 year survival.

Remember this is true with no treatment at all!

SO, the earlier it is detected, the more years it can be treated and the higher the 5 year "cure" rate will be.

However, that has nothing to do with the effectiveness of any treatment other than how it effects quality of life of the patient (almost always
negatively) and the income that goes to hospitals and physicians who treat
cancer.

For the past 20 years, many cancer specialists have observed how much better cancer patients do if they decrease stress through meditation and other
Skilled Relaxation techniques ESPECIALLY if they combine it with "imagery".

Ask your library.

Your best resource for learning about all the alternative approaches, that have been shown to be effective, would be to contact the Cancer Control
Society in Los Angeles at (323) 663-7801.

For those who already have cancer, the best place to decide about treatment is at one of the many inpatient Cancer Treatment Centers of America at (800) 515-1221. They combine conventional cancer treatment with alternatives, depending on what is best for that particular patient. The patient is an
active participant in deciding what to do.

There is now an easy way to learn the cutting edge of cancer causes & treatment: Call (800) 843-9660 and ask them if they will send you (about
$20) the October,2000 tape of Functional Medicine Update.

There is a free graphic protocol that helps anyone choose what direction to go. See the URL at Cancer Protocol to get your own copy.

If, after using the resources above, you still have questions, put them on the bulletin board.

Walt Stoll, MD

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/cancer.html




What's The Point of More Breast Scans? More patients. (Archive in cancer.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 24, 2002 at 07:47:43:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, What's The Point of More Breast Scans? posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 06:51:31:

Thanks, Pam.

I know you know that, with me, you are "preaching to the choir". I do appreciate your putting the info out there for others to see.

The REAL fallacy is "early detection" which seems to do nothing but give the allopathic monopoly more people to treat and longer treatment times--and thus more money.

The only real approach will be prevention, that now is known to be so effective--IF the public knows about it. The same thing that prevents also slows the tumor growth in those who already have the immunological breakdown. The problem seems to be that, because this approach does not feed the coffers of the monopoly, physicians are reluctant to take the time to teach their patients and the public about those preventive life-style choices.

Namaste`

Walt



Dr. Stoll ~ I am so thankful that you are here for us

Posted by Pam on May 24, 2002 at 09:04:21:

In Reply to: What's The Point of More Breast Scans? More patients. (Archive in cancer.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 24, 2002 at 07:47:43:


Dr. Stoll:

Thank you for your informative response. I am just so fed up of hearing about more women being factory-farmed by the medical community.

There are other ways to treat breast cancer, and they do not include disfiguring surgery and poison.

But, women do not here these choices when they go to the Ongologist. The women are just herded up like a big bunch of cows to slaughter. They are put on the truck that leads to the knife...

Dr. Stoll, I had great success with radiation for my second turmor. You know the one that grew after the surgeons had spread my cancer.

The Naturopathic doctor was a true healer. I only wish I would have been offered radiation to begin with. But, I was factory-farmed, just like all the other women.

Loaded up on the medical truck to be hauled to the slaughter house -- so that greedy people could make large sums of money off my meat & bones.

How long will the slaughter continue? How long?

Pam



Re: Raisa, Please Read Dr. Stoll's Cancer Archives

Posted by Raisa on May 24, 2002 at 10:12:45:

In Reply to: Raisa, Please Read Dr. Stoll's Cancer Archives posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 22:49:38:

Hi, Pam -
I do understand your frustration with the allopathic doctors who are treating women as a whole instead of looking at each individual's needs and wishes. I have had cancer but not breast cancer. I was fortunate to have an oncologist who was very attentive, sensitive, and an excellent doctor who treated me as a person. He saved me from the butchering you speak about. Unfortunately, but understandably, he retired early because he was disgusted with what has happened to the medical society and could no longer cope with it. I read Dr. Stoll's article, and I do agree with everything he says; however,I believe that there are always exceptions; and some people have been saved because they had the cancer removed or have lived longer with chemotherapy.
I admire you for your dedication to this, and I wish you well. I didn't mean to upset you. Take care, Raisa



Re: Dr. Stoll ~ I am so thankful that you are here for us

Posted by Donna E. on May 24, 2002 at 11:33:50:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll ~ I am so thankful that you are here for us posted by Pam on May 24, 2002 at 09:04:21:

As long as people choose to blindly believe what they are told and taught, including the doctors, without any further research on their part. When I worked for the group of OB/GYN's, the drug reps would come in with their little slide show and TELL the doctors about their drug and what it is good for. The doctors I worked for did no further research - just took the free samples and started the prescription writing. You can bet, 99% of the population lead their lives in the same way.

There are women being herded into prophylactic, double mastectomies that truly believe they need it. I saw messages on some of the boards you posted and I saw a program on the health channel that showed a women going for one of these at the urging of a female surgeon. You see, she had the genes to get breast cancer - both her mother and her sister had it, so therefore she was bound to develop it.



Raisa, Please Consider These Questions

Posted by Pam on May 24, 2002 at 11:35:37:

In Reply to: Re: Raisa, Please Read Dr. Stoll's Cancer Archives posted by Raisa on May 24, 2002 at 10:12:45:


Raisa:

Thank You. I am sorry that you had cancer and now your doctor is gone.

I do not understand how you can say that some people have been "saved" by chemotherapy. How can you make that judgement?

Chemo is toxic. It destroys good cells. It does not target a tumor in the way that radiation can. It causes the immune system to weaken. People with cancer need their immune systems built up, not tore down.

How do you know that those people would not have been "saved" if they would have tried CAM medicine?

I have read positive stories at Ralph Moss's site for cancer.

And, Raisa, here is another question to think about -- how do you know that people who are "saved" do not have that cancer in their bodies now, still growing undetected?

I am sorry I got so upset, but Dr. Stoll understand how frustrating these all is. If Dr. Stoll hadn't been harassed by the medical monopoly he might be out there today in practice helping to treat breast cancer with CAM options.

Thanks,
Pam




Re: Raisa, Please Consider These Questions

Posted by Raisa on May 24, 2002 at 12:06:03:

In Reply to: Raisa, Please Consider These Questions posted by Pam on May 24, 2002 at 11:35:37:

Hi again -
Actually, I did not say that people had been saved by chemotherapy and sorry I made it sound that way to you. I said that "some" people had been saved by removing the cancerous tumor - of course, this would depend upon where the tumor was located, if it had spread, etc. etc. And what I mean about chemotherapy is that "some" people who have been diagnosed with terminal cancer have been able to live longer because of having chemotherapy. I know of a man right now who learned that he has lung cancer which has spread to the liver and elsewhere. He is now undergoing chemo, and he and his wife are enjoying the time he has left, while, I'm sure, hoping for a miracle. According to him the chemo has kept him comfortable and able to care for himself. So, all I am saying is that "sometimes" surgery and chemo are advisable, as long as the doctor is competent. Raisa

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Donna, You Are Right!

Posted by Pam on May 24, 2002 at 21:57:58:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll ~ I am so thankful that you are here for us posted by Donna E. on May 24, 2002 at 11:33:50:


Donna:

You are so right about ignorance of the doctors. None of the doctors I went to, after this TRAM Flap, had any idea what was happening. And they still really don't.

I went to a very honest surgeon, when I had a return of this cancer. We had a long talk, and he still did not realize what was happening to women.

He said that he didn't agree with immediate reconstruction -- that women should get the cancer under control and then work on looking "pretty."

LOOKING PRETTY???

I knew that he had no idea what was going on. He needed to take a look at the Silicone Holocaust website -- for beginners.

He told me that doctors are pushed by big medical centers like at Ohio State to tell breast cancer patients about reconstruction.

Thank goodness my CAM doctor was open-minded and looked at the photos I showed him and read all the research that I took into his office.

I don't think he will be pushing women to have their abdominal rectus muscles or latissimus dorsi muscles severed.

Thanks,
Pam

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Dr. Stoll ~ I am so thankful that you are here for us. (Archive in philosophy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 25, 2002 at 09:07:45:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll ~ I am so thankful that you are here for us posted by Pam on May 24, 2002 at 09:04:21:

Thanks, Pam.

So long as people are willing to listen to the docs without thinking for themselves!

Donna E. has seen it as have I.

This is a result of a political/economic monopoly and the unholy medical/pharmaceutical complex.

It will take a lot of people like you who are "damn mad and are not going to take it any more" to finally change things.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Thermography From CAM Doctor Would Be Better

Posted by
Diane AC on May 25, 2002 at 21:47:52:

In Reply to: Thermography From CAM Doctor Would Be Better posted by Pam on May 23, 2002 at 11:54:23:

Pam - I wholeheartedly agree with you!

When I first heard there was such a thing as thermography I decided that was what I wanted - no more mammograms. I phoned around and got absolutely nowhere. It was probably around that time that I decided no more allopathic doctors as well - except for traumatic injuries. I was grateful for an M.D. when my husband and I were thrown from an open Model T after having plunged down a 30' cliff. Also when I experienced a deep cat bite. Aside from that I read books and frequent web sites like this one where I can actually LEARN about health and my body - not be dictated to by a doctor who, if you took his prescription pad away, wouldn't know how to practice.

There are many more of us who feel this way than you might imagine. The problem is getting together and speaking as one voice. Before we moved I ran a small but enthusiastic alternative health care group. Making a few casual inquiries where we now live, I find incredible interest in forming a group here. People are so hungry for alternatives. I tell them about Dr. Stoll's web site, and others but many of them just about have to be taken by the hand. Not their fault, really - so many things to worry about these days.

But YOU are doing a great job of informing and revving up the emotions. It takes both. Don't get discouraged. You ARE making a difference.

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