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Just got this newsletter explaining how soda causes cancer. Click on the link for the full article.
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Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer
Traces of the cancer-causing chemical benzene have been found in French and British soft drinks, at levels up to eight times those allowed in drinking water.
This follows on the heels of similar results for drinks tested in the United States.
It has been known for 15 years that sodium benzoate, a preservative, can produce benzene when mixed with ascorbic acid (vitamin C). Many are concerned that the two chemicals are still being mixed together in many drinks.
Although no more than one part per billion of benzene is allowed in drinking water in Britain, there are no legal restrictions on the amount present in soft drinks.
Benzene is associated with leukemia and other cancers of the blood. It is generally found in pollutants such as car exhaust fumes.
In Reply to: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 11:23:43:
Oh cmon!
EVERYTHING causes cancer.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by Steven [280.62] on March 16, 2006 at 11:36:39:
Hey Steven:
Nope, not everything. If you've noticed, anytime an edible or potable substance is shown to cause cancer, it's always an artificial one. I can't recall any instance where a natural, unprocessed food was found to cause cancer. Can you?
In Reply to: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 11:23:43:
I checked the Acme Cola that I like, and it doesn't have Sodium Benzoate or Ascorbic Acid, so I guess it is safe.) Occasionally it does smell like wine, so I guess those bottles are fermenting.))
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 11:54:10:
Hi Philly,
Then why is smoking marijuanna illegal?
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by Ron [2014.2318] on March 16, 2006 at 12:23:38:
Ron:
Why don't you tell me why it's illegal? Would you like it to become legal?
Although marijuana is natural, was it meant to serve as a food for man? Or, was it meant to be eaten and taken as medicine? I don't think anything natural or artificial was meant to be smoked. Now, eating it is a different thing. It may provide health benefits.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by Vince F [4572.9] on March 16, 2006 at 12:12:32:
Hey Vince:
What are the ingredients in your soda. I'd like to know what you're drinking. I never drink soda. Can't stand the stuff.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 12:59:55:
So eating wild mushrooms which make you trip are good for you then?
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by Steven [280.62] on March 16, 2006 at 13:15:34:
Steven:
Obviously there are things in nature meant to serve as food, and other things meant to serve as medicine, and sometimes "ingestible religious experiences", such as your tripping mushrooms.
But, do they cause cancer? I don't know of any studies linking funny mushrooms with cancer.
The point of this soda post is to alert people that man is adding artificial cancer-causing chemicals to foods. I don't know of any natural food (real food, that is) that causes cancer. Magic mushrooms are not considered food. Have they ever? I don't think so. However, other types of mushrooms are considered food.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 13:38:50:
Wow, how could they test something like that tho lol?
Can you imagine a study where they make subjects "trip" regularly to see long term damage?
My post was just that you can always something somewhere that is bad for you or causes cancer. I feel like people have been drinking soda (tho I don't recommend it as a main drink) for so many years that this doesn't fly in my book. I only drink ginger ale (yes it's soda) but I haven't had a coke, pepsi or any of those in about 7 years?
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by Steven [280.62] on March 16, 2006 at 13:49:31:
quantity matters, too-whether it causes cancer or not, how long people have been drinking it is unlikely to be relavant for more than one reason.
One is that companies change ingredients over time, so we might not be drinking the same soda as our parents did.
another is that many people today drink 20 oz or 32 oz bottles or cups that can be 44 or 64 ounces. And they might buy one at the convenience store for breakfast and others at fast food places for lunch and dinner (where people eat a lot more of their meals than they did a generation ago).
When I was a kid, coke came in 6 ounce bottles, pepsi came in 12 ounce bottles. On a trip, when we stopped for gas, my mother would go buy ONE soda, 6 or 12 ounces- whichever the gas station had- and pass it around-we each took a sip or two. Now I see families stop for gas, and each member of the family gets their own 20-44 ounce soda. THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE in soda consumption.
When I was a kid, if we stopped at a lunch place while travelling, yes, we each got our own soda or milk, but the glasses were 8 to 12 ounces and they had ice taking up some of the space.
Another issue is PROPORTION of refined carbs in the diet- soda is upping that proportion a lot, and those empty carbs probably take the place of some of the nutritious foods one might eat instead , so soda is coming into a system that is probably lacking in some needed nutrients. Two MD authors, Calvin and Agatha Thrash have found extreme reduction in ages of puberty in cultures that suddenly had a huge increase in consumption of refined carbs, due to new trade opening up (eskimos when the alaskan highway opened up; pacific islanders who started trading with the west after WW2). They call it Accelerated Aging Syndrome, the idea being the earlier you hit puberty, the earlier all the other effects of aging hit you, and people are getting all kinds of diseases, including cancer, earlier than previous generations.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by Steven [280.62] on March 16, 2006 at 13:49:31:
Steven:
It's when sodium benzoate and ascorbid acid are added together that they form benzene in soda. It's the benzene that is said to be a cancer-causing substance. If you can avoid it, why not avoid it? Soda isn't a whole food anyway.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 14:15:35:
I'm not a believer of a complete whole foods diet. A mixed diet is good enough for me. I don't eat things like fast food other than fries once in a while. I don't eat red meat at all. I don't have big pasta dishes, tacos, hot dogs etc.
The only acid I see on the ginger ale is citric acid. NOt the absorbic one u mentioned. SO i guess im good.
In Reply to: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 11:23:43:
PhillyLady...
I read that button mushrooms eaten raw have carcinogens, and that certain nuts (like peanuts) have aflatoxins (sp?), and I can't remember which ones but there are other foods that have natural carcinogens in them.
Don't mean to scare anyone, but this is what I've been learning lately so it's good to know. I know I am not going to eat raw mushrooms anymore in my salads! And, I used to LOVE peanuts and peanut butter (pbj used to be my favorite), but I'm never going to eat those anymore either.
Grace
In Reply to: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Grace [4820.74] on March 16, 2006 at 14:38:27:
I read somewhere that when you buy canned peanut butter, they process it to get rid of the aflotoxins. But when you buy the fresh ground peanut butter at the HFS, you have to be careful of the aflotoxins.
In Reply to: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Grace [4820.74] on March 16, 2006 at 14:38:27:
Hi Grace:
Aren't white button mushrooms bleached? I thought they were. If this is correct, then is the bleaching process responsible for the carcinogens, or is it the mushrooms themselves? I'd like to know for sure. I'm not worried because although I eat mushrooms, I don't eat button mushrooms. I prefer all the other ones. It's funny you should mention mushrooms, because some immune-building supplements are made from mushrooms.
Peanuts have a natural mold, I believe. Do you know if all peanuts have this mold, and do they have it at all times, or only when overcome by disease?
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by Steven [280.62] on March 16, 2006 at 14:29:32:
Steven:
The more you know about food, the more you can pick and choose your poison:-) I guess you know what you're doing.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 15:12:40:
Ehh but worrying about if so and so is bad for you,is bad for you in general.
I know i couldnt do a complete whole foods diet as it's way too drastic a lifestyle change. I eat better than most right now and it's tough enough. Maybe when i am too old to ever leave home, i may do it.
In Reply to: Re: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 12:59:55:
Philly,
Your right. Smoking anything is acidic and can cause cancer.
Eating or drinking acidic can cause cancer. Alkalizing the body will kill cancer. So juicing veggies will prevent cancer.
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Grace [4820.74] on March 16, 2006 at 14:38:27:
raw peanuts are toxic- that's why they should be eaten roasted (as in PB) or boiled (as is traditional in the south).
Tree nuts are usually healthier to eat raw, but peanuts aren't truly nuts, so have their own rules.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by ANN [1003.516] on March 16, 2006 at 16:46:44:
I have read that even peanut butter has aflatoxins (one study showed that some organic ones had more than the typical "skippy" peanut butter), so I'm not sure roasted peanuts are immune to this toxin.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 15:05:25:
Not that I know of.. I heard there are inherent carcinogens in button mushrooms. Aren't the regular white ones in the grocery store the "button" mushrooms or am I mistaken?
From what I know, mostly peanuts are "afflicted" with this toxin.. and I'm not sure if it's all peanuts or not, but my impression after reading that info was iti's better to avoid peanuts altogether b/c there's no way of knowing w/o testing them.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on March 16, 2006 at 15:05:07:
I don't know if skippy and other manufacturers can completely get rid of the aflatoxin (i'd like to hear otherwise though, b/c i love peanut butter as do my kids). When I read that article it sounded like they still had some in it, but less than the whole food organic peanut butters.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on March 16, 2006 at 15:05:07:
I heard they all have some aflotoxin. Maybe it is like rodent hairs and insect body parts. They are allowed .4%. I think that is right. 4/10's of 1%. A friend heard it as 40%. Had a hard time describing how much that much to him. I said, like a birds nest smeared with PNB.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on March 16, 2006 at 15:05:07:
http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007598.html
In Reply to: Re: Article on Aflatoxins posted by Sapphire [735.1584] on March 16, 2006 at 20:19:16:
Thanks Sapphire!
I feel good that I put accurate info on this post.. sometimes I feel like I don't know half of what everybody else here knows, and I'm hesitant to post at all.
And thanks to your article, I think from now on I'm going to have to cut back on my corn consumption too! Soon, there will be nothing for me to eat. But seriously, cutting out corn won't be a biggie for me. The peanut butter is a bigger biggie for me, however. I used to eat it like it was water, months ago. Oh well...
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Vince F [4572.9] on March 16, 2006 at 17:58:34:
***Maybe it is like rodent hairs and insect body parts. They are allowed .4%. I think that is right. 4/10's of 1%. A friend heard it as 40%. Had a hard time describing how much that much to him. I said, like a birds nest smeared with PNB.***
um, vince, rodent hairs and insect body parts are allowed in, um, what????
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by baby bliss' mum [4.1399] on March 16, 2006 at 21:05:12:
I know.. I didn't get that part either!
But I do remember my husband telling me recently something about insect parts making it into dannon yogurt. I'm sure it happens in most food we eat, so I don't really worry so much about that. It's inevitable that insects end up in our food.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by baby bliss' mum [4.1399] on March 16, 2006 at 21:05:12:
PNB (peanut butter)... Guess they can't keep it all out so have a limit, probably with all grains, and like allowable things in tap water.
A friends dad who worked on farms won't touch tomato juice, because he said they use a lot of bad ones.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Vince F [4572.9] on March 17, 2006 at 00:11:43:
I read that for most fruit/veggie juices, they use the baddest looking ones that they cannot sell at to grocery stores. So I'd imagine there's a lot of mold in things like orange juice too, mixed in with lots of pesticide residues.
I wonder if this is true for canned foods like canned tomatoes. Probably right? And for spaghetti sauces. EW... I might have to start making things from SCRATCH. I mean, I've been making a lot more things recently, but I might have to eliminate all bottled and canned foods altogether for fear of what's in it.
In Reply to: Another Reason Sodas Cause Cancer posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 16, 2006 at 11:23:43:
Thanks, PhillyLady.
Walt
In Reply to: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Grace [4820.74] on March 16, 2006 at 14:38:27:
Grace,
The natural, whole and organic foods that have carcinogens in tnem, also have balancing anticarcinogens that cancel out the carcinogens.
Become a student of this and let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Grace [4800.74] on March 17, 2006 at 07:27:57:
I usually don't worry about what I don't know, or even know, as long as it doesn't disagree with me. Figuring that as my guide. I will avoid things that do completely. Thinking about what I was told makes me not want to eat anything.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Vince F [4572.9] on March 17, 2006 at 10:34:16:
I am not as strict w/my diet as I could be either.. But I do have to be mindful not to eat too many things that just happen to agree with me. Becuase we can all eat things that seem to agree with us and then have the toxic effects sneak up on us eventually. I'm sure I can eat chocolate every day and not feel like it has an adverse effects. But I doubt highly that doing so will do anything but harm my overall health in the long run. So I won't eat it like I would like to. The same goes for many foods. I'm sure if I had non-organic chicken everyday, I woudln't feel the ill effects of the pesticides/hormones, etc... until I get sick one day with some degenerative disease. I can't just go by how I feel. I need to let my knowledge in my head of what is good for me guide my eating decisions.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Grace [4800.74] on March 16, 2006 at 17:05:23:
Hey Grace:
I think I'll keep eating nuts since they've been eaten for thousands of years without noticeable ill effects.
There's a belief or saying in herbology, which I don't recall, but it says that for every poisonous plant, there is its antidote growing nearby. This is similar to what Dr. Stoll said when he mentioned that any carcinogen in a whole food also contains a balancing anti-carcinogen:-)
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 17, 2006 at 12:07:04:
don't you have to be Grazing to get the antidote?))
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by Vince F [4572.9] on March 17, 2006 at 12:17:15:
Hey Vince:
If you're grazing you'd surely get the antidote:-)
But since we don't graze, isn't it wiser to keep our food as natural as possible by not removing too much out of it, and by not adding things that don't belong?
But modern science takes it upon itself to create new foods that have never existed before in nature (like GMO foods) and arrogantly expect each creation to be in tune with nature.
In Reply to: Re: But aren't there natural foods that are carcinogenic? posted by PhillyLady [1419.1536] on March 17, 2006 at 12:26:24:
I go by what works and doesn't. I am probably eating some GMO's and I wonder if we all are, since the pollen can spread, but if I have a question like what a tomato and most corn I have eaten recently did to me, I avoid them like the plague. The corn doesn't taste like food, and the tomato blew me up like a ballon. I was going to call Del Monte about the corn but never did, so just stoped buying it. I bought some TV dinners recently and didn't realize they had corn in them. I ate them but it didn't taste right. Not the same, but maybe because it had been frozen, though I tried freezing the canned corn, and it Didn't make it tender like it should have.
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