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I know someone very well who had back cancer. They cut it out, did treatments (which totally wore him down, made him tired and depressed), and we thought that would be the end of it.
They did a catscan and found "something troubling" in his stomach. He has an appointment today to go see what they'll do.
What would you guys recommend to fight this damn thing? He is 26 and exercises and eats well. This seems so cruel.
I looked into the Budwig diet, bought him one of the books and that looks very interesting but I don't want to harm his chances. Do you think we should go down the road of alternative therapies or stick to conventional?
The board is down tomorrow so I'm adding my email address to this message. Please contact me and I'll reply right back. Anything you guys can offer will be incredibly appreciated.
He is open to any ideas so that's one hurdle cleared.
Thanks.
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
So sad Chris; but right now diets are not going to be that helpful (or much of anything other than med science I fear).... best thing to do now is have him juicing along with eating - and be there for him to help him with juicing.
I would not CHANGE his diet; why put more stress on his already weak body? Preventative diets I'm all for, or diet changes when you are not very ill - but cancer is not a time to do major changes. Eating heathier yes, but also, if they guy wants a twinkie, let him have one and no guilt....he needs support right now.
In Reply to: so sad... posted by micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 08:02:36:
I disagree that med science is the best for him. Sadly, (and I'm sure many here will attest to this) I think conventional medicine is more concerned about money than the health of its patients.
Also twinkies would be the worst thing to eat; cancer loves sugar. Your doc probably wouldn't tell you that; He can't charge you to not eat sugar!
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
Dr Schultz claims that High doses of cayenne kills cancer.
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
What do you mean by "back cancer"? Was it skin cancer on his back? Was it melanoma? What part of his back had the cancer? What treatment did he have besides excision? Chemo? Radiation?
~~~8>
In Reply to: back cancer? posted by labrat [1119.74] on July 28, 2006 at 08:34:11:
I will have to ask, but I think it was a tumor in his back. He had targeted radiation which left him feeling awful.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 28, 2006 at 08:30:13:
Thanks Vince.
I want him to try a number of therapies. Could add this too. My one fear is that the therapies will counteract eachother and he won't benefit.
Not sure whether to try each therapy for 4 weeks at a time then tell him go to for scans to see how he progresses?
Would cayenne be safe to take without affecting other treatments? Perhaps he can take it with the cottage cheese & Linseed oil protocol. Now i just read about a product called cantron. How are we gonna decide what to do? I'm very anxious.
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
chris,
You may already have this but the whole protocol is contained in this article.
Remember that some people do not absorb the needed properties from flaxseed oil well, or at all. I will do a search about it because I can't remember why. I think it is something to do with a certain enzyme needed that some people lack.
Regards,
Maz
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 09:13:22:
See the article I just posted. Some things will interfere with the Budwig protocol.
Maz
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 08:14:51:
Chris,
...guru is wrong, the first thing you do is to change your diet, even if this has to be fasting for longer time. Like I said before, if it was me, first I would do Breuss'(unexpensive thin book) 42 days method (healthy fast) then strict Budwig. You have to have plan and stick to it. I want to WORN you against trying Budwig for sometimes. Legend (not Dr. Budwig) says that if you have cancer you have to follow the method for at least 5 years. But it is only food.
If I have money, I would do Breuss method in one of it's clinics (Canada and Germany). Expensive.
Matylda
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by Matylda [2861.1351] on July 28, 2006 at 09:39:40:
~Breuss method
In Reply to: chris, here it is posted by Maz [5538.624] on July 28, 2006 at 09:58:09:
Hmm....that article concludes that this method is not recommended.
I'm practically pulling my hair out with all the info I'm having to trawl through.
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by Matylda [2861.1351] on July 28, 2006 at 09:39:40:
Yeah, but would the Budwig diet at least keep the cancer under control, and then put it into remission? If it takes 5 years that's fine.
The Bruess diet looks extremely risky.
In Reply to: No chris posted by Maz [5538.624] on July 28, 2006 at 09:29:49:
So would you just stick to Budwig diet and nothing else?
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Maz [5538.624] on July 28, 2006 at 09:28:37:
Thanks Maz, I appreciate the help.
If you could find out why some people can't absorb it that would be great. I don't want to set him out on this as his only course of action, if it's not gonna have any effect.
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by Matylda [2861.1351] on July 28, 2006 at 09:39:40:
I agree with you.
If there is ever a time in anyone's life to change diet, cancer is the time. People that adapt to cancer often overcome it. It's a matter of choice, but this is my opinion.
Lurch
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 11:23:17:
I would advise the person take flaxseed oil blended with cottage cheese every day. I'd say Budwig now.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 11:24:48:
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the cc added to the flax is what makes the flax more absorbable. I don't know if there are people who can absorb the fo/cc together.
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by Lurch [140.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 11:50:51:
Thanks Lurch,
yes that's the route we're thinking of going.
There is so much information out there. It's truly overwhelming. I read this one guy's site and he listed 18 supplements.
His diet read like a bible. How on earth anybody could stick to his regime with say a full time job and a family, is ANYBODY's guess.
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 11:54:02:
I've read up on the budwig too and it doesn't seem too daunting to follow. I think the basic stuff they say to avoid are: sugar, meat/meat fat, butter, salad oils from the store, and preservatives. I think this is easy to do more or less. Maybe these are the foods maz was saying inteferes with the budwig? Becuase I'd think if you incorporated healthy aspects of other diets then it should be fine to follow the budwig too. I would stay away from extreme sounding things like the breuss (didn't read the entire thing but i agree with you that it does sound risky) and others that involve dozens of supplements and herbs and other things. These other things can indeed be harmful. But I don't see anything wrong with going full force with fo/cc and then incorporate as much of the full protocol, plus other healthy aspects of other diets and go from there.
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by Grace [4800.1351] on July 28, 2006 at 11:57:43:
Thanks Grace,
We're on a similar wavelength :-)
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
Dear ukchris,
After reading every message in this thread thus far, (and several prior) let me just say that your friend has what is probably the statistical equivalent of a winning lottery ticket in your friendship, support, and willingness to acquire knowledge.
The convergence of these exact traits is an amazingly rare phenomenon in human relationships. We could call it the 3LS of giving. I applaud you.
In the meantime, I will be learning right along with you.
Your friend,
Abe
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Grace [4800.1351] on July 28, 2006 at 11:52:58:
Yes I read that the 2 things work together somehow. I guess that's why it has to be mixed so thoroughly.
I am recommending that he uses the cottage cheese/flax thing as the BASIS to his diet.
Then we'll add more things depending on research.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Abe F. [4815.2450] on July 28, 2006 at 12:43:57:
Thanks! That really touched me, I'm happy that you're learning too.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 09:13:22:
it is often said that cayenne enhances the action of other things. Maybe because it is said to improve circulation.
I usually go by how I FEEL when I take or try something. People Claim that things Can't work as Fast as they have in me, but I use that as a guide, and don't waste time taking something that isn't having a positive effect, and I stay away from anything that causes a negative one. Maybe because I have had enough pain and discomfort to last a lifetime, that I don't need something that makes me feel bad, but then I don't buy into the Detox theory, but then I have improved when taking things that Others say will make you feel bad before you feel good, and I Never had the bad sensations, just the good ones from the item.
It might be an idea for him to go by how he feels, like if he thinks something is helping, as a guide. Would be nice if we could monitor results, like testing BP when trying things to lower it.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 12:44:31:
Sulphurated protein in CC that make FSO water soluble. CC is high in sulphur. It should be blended into the CC and not just stirred in to make it most effective.
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
Chris - do you know that they found more cancer yet?? It looks from your post that they don't have a diagnosis yet at all, and it sounds like you've made some big assumptions.
Just wondering what it is we are trying to help...
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 11:54:02:
If it was me I think I'd lean toward whole foods rather than a lot of supplements.
IV vitamin C has worked like magic to reverse some people's cancer. Oral C might be a good idea also.
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 08:14:51:
it is HIS body and his choices. If HE wants to eat a twinkie, so be it.
Also, I have known plenty of people (we all have I bet) who did the med route, ate sugar and still kicked cancer.
There is no magic cure of diet or anything else. If there were, cancer would be moot.
I am not saying twinkies are GOOD for him. Never did I imply that. I said if he wants one don't guilt him.
You are playing savior and you are not one. Being a friend is one thing; playing a role is another.
It sounds not so good that a young man has two bouts of cancer unrelated supposedly. I think he needs to take an aggressive, whole approach of both alt and med; and first and foremost, it has to be HIS decision.
In Reply to: Re: so sad... posted by Lurch [140.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 11:48:19:
I think not.
I think diet won't make or break it. OF COURSE healthy eating is the best option, but if the guy was basically healthy before and he has cancer, it's not diet related.
In Reply to: Re: back cancer? posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 09:11:01:
when my mother had radiation it burned through to the other side. His stomach may be that, and not a cancer at all .....
In Reply to: What I mean is... posted by micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 14:02:37:
I think you have no idea what you're talking about and would do well to shut up.
The advice you offer will kill somebody one day.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles or not?? posted by labrat [1119.74] on July 28, 2006 at 13:23:28:
Good point labrat.
I guess I am jumping to bad conclusion. I'm just afraid.
Having back cancer and now this, made it a natural connection. Do you think I should wait for the results of the exploratory surgery?
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 28, 2006 at 13:06:52:
Well it's all very confusing that's for sure. Instinct is something I'd have a little faith in. But I wouldn't advocate something on that alone.
I think there is a way to monitor cancer, not sure exactly what but a lot of people talk about their cancer level falling, forgot what the measurement was they used.
In Reply to: What I mean is... posted by micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 14:02:37:
Michele:
"....I think he needs to take an aggressive, whole approach of both alt and med"...
Isn't this what Chris is trying to do? It looks likes the doctors are handling the conventional end of the young man's medical treatments, and Chris is seeking advice for the alternative end. That's my observation of the situation:-)
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
ukchris,
Hope the news is not bad, but whatever it is
here's a sample of what's on a page I found of sources of raw organic cheese and milk in the U.K. This is because in many countries Organic milk can have 5% non organic powder per container (liquid included).
It's written more clearly in the archives, see Richard's March 2006 post.
Pasturizing and homogenizing any milk kills some enzymes which may be what causes _some people to not be able to digest_? the Budwig fo/cc mix. Nobody should drink homo milk.
United Kingdom
Cornwall, near Callington/Gunnislake: J.A.Flashman Dairy, 01579-350893, West Prince Farm, Seven Stones, (entered byTeresa Gillespie 01503-240-333), Organic Unpasturized milk available for pick up. Bring own plastic containers. Call to arrange
...Chelsea Farmer's Market carries an extensive range of raw milk cheeses and of course Neal's Yard carries many raw milk cheeses though many are not organic.
Northumberland: Wheelbirks Farm, Stocksfield,
On the web at: www.wheelbirks.co.uk
Sainsbury's and Tesco sell Roquefort made from raw sheep's milk and Camembert made from raw cow's milk. Tesco has recently introduced an organic raw milk...
Teddington Cheese Company imports salted and unsalted raw butter from France. http://www.teddingtoncheese.co.uk/
This website lists producers of raw milk in the UK as well as sources of other healthy food:
http://www.seedsofhealth.co.uk/
A Campaign for Real Milk is a project of The Weston A. Price Foundation. There's an international list of sources for anyone else who's reading.
In Reply to: What I mean is... posted by micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 14:02:37:
I read this again and can't believe you think I'm playing a role, a saviour role. You're such a bitch do you know that?
In Reply to: Raw Organic Milk products UK posted by Janet [4810.2720] on July 28, 2006 at 14:35:03:
Hi Janet,
Thanks for your reply, but he actually lives in America. Nevertheless its good to know that the quality of the milk. Your theory could well be right.
In Reply to: the radiation could have hurt his organs .... posted by micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 14:05:42:
That's why I declined radiation - could have involved my heart and left lung! Forget it!!
Sometimes I guess it's the best option, but I'd sure look at all the angles first!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
My doctor did an EKG on me and found something troubling also.
It must've been my pulled chest muscles because that was what I had.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Charles [854.74] on July 28, 2006 at 16:59:56:
~scratching my head~
Are you trying to say I'm being too presumptious? I guess fearing the worst is just natural.
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
Have you ever seen this Chris?
Patient's dramatic story fuels UK media interest In the Hoxsey Therapy
© by Peter Chowka
(May 15, 2000) A sensational, full-page feature article in The Mirror, a popular British daily tabloid newspaper, has ignited interest in the Hoxsey Therapy as a potentially effective alternative treatment for late stage cancer in the UK. The subject of the article, a terminal cancer patient in Wales, and his supporters have asked that the controversial, non-toxic North American therapy be made available to English citizens by the country's National Health Service (NHS).
"The Herb of Hope Remedy gives cancer victim Peter a new lease on life," reads the Mirror's page-spanning headline on April 25. The subject of the report is Peter McCarron, 36, who until recently worked in a tire shop in the town of Bagillt. "Two months ago," the story begins, "cancer victim Peter McCarron could hardly move. He was so ill doctors told him he had no more than four months to live. But yesterday the father of three played happily with his stepson Luke at his fifth birthday party. Peter's new lease on life is thanks to a [sic] herbal remedy [the Hoxsey Therapy] issued by the Biomedical Centre in Tijuana, Mexico he discovered by chance."
The Hoxsey Therapy
The Hoxsey Therapy is the oldest alternative cancer treatment in continuous use in North America and one of the most controversial. During the first half of the twentieth century it was popular and widely available in the United States. However, by 1960, federal and state authorities had pressured the therapy's key proponents, Harry Hoxsey and Mildred Nelson, RN, to close the Hoxsey Clinic in Dallas, TX. In 1963 Nelson relocated the Hoxsey treatment center south of the border and it has been available since then at the Bio-Medical Center in Tijuana, Mexico.
The centerpiece of the Hoxsey Therapy is a tincture, or "liquid medicine," consisting of approximately a dozen herbs native to North America, all of them with reported therapeutic action according to experts like botanical medicine authority James Duke, PhD. Although it has never been subjected to a large-scale objective clinical trial, the Hoxsey Therapy has had vocal, word of mouth support from many thousands of cancer patients who have provided extensive anecdotal documentation of its efficacy over the years.
Recently, mainstream interest in the treatment has been growing as well. Earlier this year, a pre-publication draft of a study of the Bio-Medical Center and another alternative cancer facility (the Livingston Clinic in San Diego, CA, founded by the late Virginia Livingston-Wheeler, MD), conducted by the University of Texas at Houston's Center for Alternative Medicine Research, was being circulated for review. The study was funded by a grant from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) through the National Center for Complementary Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) and the National Cancer Institute (NCI). It examined a series of Bio-Medical patient records from the first quarter of 1992.
According to the study, at a point five years after a new group of Bio-Medical Center cancer patients began their treatment in 1992, 11.4 percent of them were alive, 34.9 percent were deceased, and 42.9 percent were lost to follow-up. These results are conservative, but in contrast to the dismal outcome of most standard forms of cancer therapy on late stage patients seem promising. The study's authors conclude, "Given the widespread use of both clinics, [and] intriguing anecdotal reports at both sites . . . we recommend prospective monitoring systems to provide reliable information on the clinical outcomes associated with these treatments."
Over the years, individual cases of dramatic recoveries from cancer by patients using the Hoxsey Therapy have been reported, by word of mouth and in the popular press. A number of these positive clinical histories are documented in the independent documentary feature film, Hoxsey: Quacks Who Cure Cancer, a.k.a., How Healing Becomes a Crime (1987, Realidad Productions, Santa Fe, NM).
Peter McCarron
The story of Peter McCarron is not atypical of many Hoxsey patients: told by his conventional doctors to prepare for death he learned about the Hoxsey Therapy by word of mouth, and has experienced positive initial response to the herbal treatment. It is somewhat unusual that McCarron himself has yet to actually visit the Bio-Medical Center, which is over 6,000 miles from where he lives.
In a telephone interview on May 13, 2000, speaking from his home in Bagillt on the West coast of Britain, McCarron sounded upbeat: "I'm OK at the moment no problems." Asked if he felt that the Hoxsey Therapy had helped him, he said, "Oh, yes it has. A great deal!
"I was first diagnosed in Dec. '97 with colon cancer," McCarron recalled. "I was only thirty-four at the time actually it was two weeks before my thirty-fourth birthday. In Feb. '98 I went in for surgery. They removed the bowel and I ended up with a permanent colostomy. But when [the surgeon] had me open, he saw that it [cancer] went to my liver. I went in for a liver operation in March ['98]. They cut me open but couldn't actually do the operation because I had three [malignant] bits the size of golf balls. I had one piece right by the vascular vein. So they couldn't do it. He said 'We have done this operation before but they've [patients] only lasted a couple of months and died because there'd been no support around the vein. It'd just ruptured.' So he stitched me back up. I went on chemotherapy for three months. And it shrunk all the cancer. The piece that was doing the damage by the vein, it was just like a scar where it had been. So they burned that piece and cut the other three pieces out."
I asked McCarron what kind of prognosis he was given at that point for example, if he was told by the British doctors that they could save his life.
"At the time, yes. And I was clear [of cancer] for [the next] 18-19 months. In February of this year when I had a scan, it [the cancer] had come back in half of the liver. My oncologist just said, 'We can do nothing for you.' I asked, 'Well, can you give me chemotherapy?' She said, 'No, we can't because if we do, it'll just shorten your life.' I said, 'Well, it's a chance I've got to take.' And she just refused me point blank. She said, 'No, we can't give it to you. We won't give it to you.'
"My wife heard about the Hoxsey treatment from a friend of a friend. She went up on a Thursday and had a talk with him. A week later she flew to Tijuana to get it to get the treatments. I was too ill to travel."
McCarron's wife Dawn and his father-in-law Roy Dunleavy brought a supply of the Hoxsey medication back to England and McCarron immediately started taking it. As he began the treatment, "My blood level it's called bilirubin, which tests your liver function that was 374. It should have been between seven and seventeen. After four days of being on the treatment, it had gone down to 331. I had another blood test two weeks after that. It had gone down to 136." According to McCarron, the local medical people said, "'There's no way it will go below one hundred.' I had another blood test two weeks [later], which is my last one that's two weeks ago. And it had actually gone down to forty-six."
These test results seem promising. But how does McCarron feel now, as opposed to last February before he started taking the Hoxsey treatment? In February, he recalled, "I'd get up out of bed in the morning, and all I'd do I'd just lie on the settee. I'd stay there all day. I had no energy, I just wanted to sleep. I couldn't be bothered to do anything. I was in quite a bit of pain. And the depression was just awful."
Q: In general, you're feeling better now?
McCarron: "The pain has settled down quite a lot. Now I'm up and about, doing things about the house and in the garden. I'm doing a bit of mechanical work on my car. It's just marvelous. You do get your down days, though."
Q: How did The Mirror get on to the story?
McCarron: "The Evening-Leader [a local paper], it was, which started it - a bit of a story to raise money. They did a bit of a write up on the Hoxsey treatments. And then The Mirror got in touch. The papers are interested in this." McCarron and his friends have contacted their local Member of Parliament, David Hanson, an influential cabinet minister in Prime Minister Tony Blair's government, and asked him to support making the Hoxsey Therapy available under the country's compulsory National Health Service. According to McCarron, Hanson has not yet taken a position on the issue.
"My father in law did a little bit of a videotape" in Tijuana, McCarron said. "[The Bio-Medical Center physician said] 'I'm not just your doctor, I'm your friend.' You feel welcomed just by watching the way they are."
Dawn McCarron
In a telephone conversation on May 14, Dawn McCarron, 28, said, "I'd never been further [from England] than Spain. The [Bio-]medical center was lovely, really clean and everybody was just really polite. We brought all of Peter's medical records with us including the scans. They looked at them there and decided what to give him. His doctor [at Bio-Medical] said he was positive that he would see Peter in three months himself."
I asked Dawn McCarron if Peter's conventional doctors in England had commented on his apparent improvement since he began taking the Hoxsey Therapy in March. "The doctor he can't say, 'Oh, I think it's working.' They just won't say that. They just say it's obviously something happening. To be honest, they just haven't said much about it."
Q: Does Peter's doctor in the UK know that he's taking the Hoxsey Therapy? Has the doctor expressed an opinion?
Dawn McCarron: "He just says, you know, that whatever we do it's up to us, at the end of the day. He doesn't say much about it."
Q: He doesn't have a problem with it?
Dawn McCarron: "He doesn't have a problem with it, no. He just says it's obviously something's working. He won't actually say, 'Oh, that [Hoxsey] definitely cured him.'"
Q: Are the doctors in the UK still saying there is nothing more they can do for Peter?
Dawn McCarron: "We haven't even been to see any more doctors [other than for tests]. We don't go. No. Because we would go in before and they would just tell him how [much] worse [Peter's cancer] was getting. So we've just stopped going."
Peter McCarron expressed the conviction that part of the answer to recovering from terminal illness is one's mental outlook. "A lot of it's in the mind. There's no sense lying down and dying now. You've got to be very positive. If you say you're going to beat it, you're going to beat it." He and his family have already become part of the informal, far-flung, mutual support network of Hoxsey patients, who share information about the treatment by word of mouth as well as advice about overcoming cancer. The network functions like an independent, autonomous, long distance support group. For decades, this patient network, in lieu of advertising or self-promotion (which the Bio-Medical Center has never done), has kept interest in the Hoxsey Therapy alive. "We do get quite a few calls [now] from people who have got cancer," Peter McCarron said. "A lot of them don't know anything about [Hoxsey]. They're asking about the treatments. We have sent quite a few people over to them [Bio-Medical Center] now - about four or five people. And I'm definitely going myself the last week of June, first week of July."
Peter McCarron is deriving considerable support from his family. His children, for example: "They're all positive. Like my little lad, the youngest he's just turned five. He understands everything. He used to come with me to the hospital when I was having the chemotherapy. He'd sit there, watching everything I was going through. Every Tuesday morning he'd say, 'Come on, Dad, time for your chemo.' And I couldn't have a better wife than Dawn. If it wasn't for her, I would have been dead now. She's the backbone of everything."
Peter McCarron concluded our conversation on May 13 by observing, "If you'd have seen me five weeks, six weeks, ago, you'd have just looked at me and said 'No.' Because you couldn't see my eyes. They were a luminous yellow. My whole body was yellow. You'd just say 'No way, no hope.'
"People who look at me now say, 'It's not the same person!' They're just amazed. They can't get over it, how well I look."
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 17:03:21:
I'm saying that everything doctors say isn't correct.
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
What about what Alexander Dumas posted about vitamin c being a cancer cure, you read that?
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
http://www.whale.to/m/ausubel.html
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
I know things are different in the UK than here but I know a surgeon who said he had seen patients operated on that didn't need an operation. When asked why the patients were operated on, he said, if we don't, the doctors who refered them won't refer anymore to us.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Charles [854.74] on July 28, 2006 at 17:10:55:
Charles:
What's this? Alexander Dumas posting on this site? I thought he died 100 years ago! Could he be posting from beyond the grave?
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Charles [854.74] on July 28, 2006 at 17:04:33:
According to the stats 1 in 3 survived and the rest died. Maybe I'm a hard sell but I don't call that successful.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Charles [854.74] on July 28, 2006 at 17:19:14:
My friend lives in the USA. But I understand what you mean and it doesn't surprise me.
In Reply to: What I mean is... posted by micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 14:02:37:
An "aggressive whole approach of alt and med", if I understand that to mean alternative and conventional medicine, would definitely dicate no sugar at all especially twinkies...and strict dietary changes as well.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
Veterinarians know that tumors feed on carbohydrates, so they have developed a prescription diet for dogs that is high in fat and protein and low in carbohydrates. If this is being done for dogs with cancer, I wonder why MDs and others are so clueless to think that diet does not matter.
Chris, you have my very best wishes for your friend, and I honor you for being such a friend to him. Anyone who finds themself in this situation would be very lucky to have a friend like you. Bless you for being so willing to help him in any way you can, despite the difficulties and regardless of the outcome. I'm sure you will be a tremendous help to him.
Keep us posted, OK?
Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on July 28, 2006 at 18:45:12:
Thanks nutmeg.
He's a vegetarian and wouldn't ever tolerate the idea of eating meat. Neither would I.
Thank you for your kind thoughts.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by PhillyLady [1327.1599] on July 28, 2006 at 17:39:46:
Did I say Alexander, damn! :) Alexandria
posted by Alexandria Dumas [4750.2712] on June 19, 2006 at 08:16:17:
posted on Sun, Jun. 18, 2006
Vitamin C: Cancer cure?
By Marie McCullough
Inquirer Staff Writer
Is mainstream medical science ignoring an inexpensive, painless, readily available cure for cancer?
Mark Levine mulls this loaded question.
The government nutrition researcher has published new evidence that suggests vitamin C can work like chemotherapy - only better. But so far, he hasn't been able to interest cancer experts in conducting the kind of conclusive studies that, one way or the other, would advance treatment.
"If vitamin C is useful in cancer treatment, that's wonderful. If it's not, or if it's harmful, that's fine, too," said Levine, a Harvard-educated physician at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases. "The goal is: Find what's true. Either way, the public wins, clinicians win, and patients win."
If Linus Pauling, the two-time Nobel laureate turned vitamin C zealot, had taken an equally dispassionate stance 30 years ago, who knows where the vitamin would be in oncology today. Surely not where it is: a dubious alternative on the fringes of medicine, despite its continuing links to remissions and cures.
This is not about popping supplements. It's about putting high-dose vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, into a vein, which requires needles and trained professionals.
The distinction between oral and intravenous is crucial. The body automatically gets rid of extra C through urine. Levine's lab has shown that, at high concentrations, the vitamin is toxic to many types of cancer cells in lab dishes. But to get that much C into the body before it's eliminated, it must be put directly into the blood.
This may explain the defining setback of Pauling's crusade. He and his collaborator, Scottish surgeon Ewan Cameron, gave C intravenously and orally, and claimed many of their cancer patients lived surprisingly long and well. In the 1970s, two rigorous government studies intended to test their claims gave only pills - and found no benefits.
How could so many smart people, including Pauling, ignore a variable as basic as the body's ability to absorb and clear a drug?
"I don't want to impugn anyone," Levine said. "It's one of these things where somebody didn't ask the right questions."
So Levine keeps on, driven by the still-open question:
Can intravenous C do what even the costliest, most targeted, most effective therapies cannot: kill cancer cells without harming healthy ones?
500 oranges
Loretta Hill, 42, of Pittsgrove, Salem County, sits at a faux granite table, facing a TV, chatting with two other cancer patients in the Marlton office suite of family physician Vivienne Matalon.
Each patient is tethered to an intravenous bag of C and other nutrients hung above the table that will take 40 minutes to drip into them. The fee, not usually covered by insurance, is $110.
Hill can't prove that C saved her from colon cancer, but she fervently believes it has.
She was diagnosed in 2001, at age 38, after a sudden bout of rectal bleeding. She had surgery, radiation, two courses of chemo. Six months later, the cancer was back - but had spread to both lungs.
After those tumors were cut out, her oncologist offered irinotecan, which costs about $9,500 a week. But, she says, he held out little hope. He declined to be interviewed.
By then, Hill could barely function, much to the anguish of her husband and 9-year-old daughter.
When she heard about Matalon's ascorbate infusions, she figured, "If this doesn't work, at least I'll be in a better position for more chemo."
Today, almost four years later, Hill is in college part time, plays soccer, and has no signs of cancer. Her weekly C dosage has been cut to 30 grams - about 500 oranges' worth - but she has no plans to quit because her only side effects are "fabulous hair and skin."
Bill Nath, 69, a Wichita, Kan., businessman, is an even more provocative case.
In 1996, blood in his urine led to a diagnosis of bladder cancer. Tumors were invading the organ and surrounding muscle.
Nath consulted experts at four major cancer centers from Wichita to New York. All recommended chemo, radiation, and removal of all or part of the bladder. Total removal would include the prostate, adding risks of incontinence and impotence.
One specialist "said if I didn't remove the whole bladder, I would die," said Nath. "It was pretty traumatic."
Nath ultimately made a choice that seemed suicidal to his wife, friends, and doctors: to keep part of his bladder and forgo chemo and radiation.
Instead, he got 30 grams of C twice a week for three months, then every month or two for four years at the Center for the Improvement of Human Functioning in Wichita. It was founded by Hugh Riordan, a physician and friend of Pauling's, now deceased.
Today, a decade after his diagnosis, Nath is cancer-free.
Levine, in collaboration with National Cancer Institute pathologists, reexamined, then published Nath's case and two others from Riordan's center. While such "case reports" prove nothing, Levine hoped they would stir interest in reexamining ascorbate in oncology.
But as Nath has discovered, when it comes to C, people who hear hoofbeats look for zebras.
"Everybody thought I was crazy," he said. "Now they probably think... it's a miracle or something."
Not a miracle
Vitamin C is not miraculous, proponents say. Just as some people die despite standard treatment, some die despite ascorbate drips.
"We may not be able to affect the ultimate outcome," said Matalon, who sees about 15 ascorbate patients a week. "But I think we see a dramatic improvement in quality of life."
The problem is, anecdotes and impressions don't count. Skeptics ask: Where's the data on dosing and regimens, on tumor responses, on survival?
"As far as I know, that kind of registry just doesn't exist now, and it's a huge weakness of the movement," acknowledged Ron Hunninghake, chief medical officer at Riordan's center, which is starting a database.
In any case, as consumers clamor for alternative therapies, intravenous C is gaining fans. Reports of side effects are rare, and risky patients - with kidney problems or blood disorders - are easily screened out.
"Interest is definitely growing," said Kenneth Bock, physician and president of the American College for Advancement in Medicine, an alternative-medicine society that teaches ascorbate infusion protocols.
Interest is not growing, however, among mainstream oncologists, judging from conferences, publications, and interviews with some of them.
The National Cancer Institute, with a $5 billion budget, is not sponsoring studies of intravenous C. Neither is the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine - although it is paying for cancer studies of the noni extract herbal supplement and Reiki energy healing. The American Cancer Society and the American Association of Clinical Oncologists warn patients against high-dose C, as do leading cancer centers such as the University of Pennsylvania's and Memorial Sloan-Kettering in new York.
Jeffrey White, director of the National Cancer Institute's office of cancer complementary and alternative medicine, said that he's tried to "generate awareness" of Levine's research, and believes it justifies more studies in humans. But White acknowledged that the NCI has rejected "a few" proposals for such studies.
At the prestigious Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., oncologist Edward Creagan said the idea that intravenous, but not oral, levels are toxic to cancer is "an intriguing concept."
"However, my own belief is that the vitamin C story is really ancient history," he said. "It would be very difficult for patients and clinicians to mount a lot of enthusiasm for another vitamin C study."
It was Creagan and his Mayo colleague, Charles Moertel, since deceased, who in the 1970s conducted the two NCI-funded "clinical trials" that showed vitamin C pills were no better than placebo pills for cancer patients.
A clinical trial is considered ultra-reliable because it is designed to keep beliefs and hopes from slanting findings.
Pauling lobbied for a trial, then later contended that the Mayo researchers enrolled unsuitable patients. A second trial in response to Pauling's criticism also bombed. Again he faulted the Mayo oncologists. He also threatened a libel suit against a Rochester newspaper for the headline "Pauling Wrong on Vitamin C for Cancer," and accused the New England Journal of Medicine and the NCI of accepting a "fraudulent" study, according to Australian medical historian Evelleen Richards.
By then, Pauling advocated treating everything from the common cold to mental illness with vitamins and other substances he dubbed "orthomolecular," meaning "right molecule." To many colleagues, this genius and visionary, winner of the 1954 Nobel in chemistry and the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize for his antiwar work, had become a kook - "The Old Man and the C".
Decades later, both skeptics and fans of C are gun-shy about more trials.
"There's tremendous resistance to even test this," Levine said. "It's very hard to revisit something like this without data. Information is diamonds."
As the chief of the molecular and clinical nutrition section at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases - hardly a hotbed of federal cancer research - Levine discovered some diamonds "by accident."
In the early 1990s, his lab began looking at how the concentration of a nutrient affects its function, and how the body gets the proper concentration.
"As part of those studies, we looked at how vitamin C is absorbed in the intestine," Levine said.
By 2000, when that work led to an increase in the U.S. recommended daily allowance of vitamin C, Levine had become an expert on ascorbate's "pharmacokinetics" - what the body does to the drug.
Consumers and scientists already knew that ascorbate was an "antioxidant," meaning it protects cells from reactive oxygen molecules - the same marauders that turn peeled apples brown and wet metal rusty.
Indeed, the reason the American Cancer Society and others discourage ascorbate megadoses is that a few studies of cells in dishes suggest C might protect cancer from oxidant damage. Chemotherapy and radiation work partly by intentionally unleashing this damage.
But Levine's lab-dish studies showed that ascorbate transforms from an antioxidant into just the opposite - an oxidant promoter - when it reaches high concentrations. At these levels, which are achievable in the body only intravenously, C acts like a toxic drug by generating hydrogen peroxide, a powerful oxidant used as a bleaching agent, an antiseptic, and even a World War II rocket fuel.
Still, the biochemistry was puzzling. Putting pure peroxide in the bloodstream can be fatal, so why did patients feel fine when the vitamin that produces it was dripped into their veins?
Levine's experiments offered possible answers. Vitamin C did not generate peroxide in blood, only in liquid such as that found in body cavities. Thus, in the body, intravenous C must seep out of the blood to work.
Five out of nine types of cancer cells that were put in simulated body-cavity fluid died when concentrated ascorbate or peroxide was added to the dish. And the best part: This same lethal marinade had no effect on healthy cells.
For some reason, cancer cells were like the Wicked Witch of the West splashed with water - powerful villains vanquished by a mundane substance that is harmless to good guys.
Previously, Riordan had speculated that this was partly because an enzyme that neutralizes peroxide is abundant inside normal cells, and scarce inside cancerous ones. But by inducing cells to take in C, Levine proved that the internal concentration doesn't matter; malignant cells withered only when C surrounded them.
Armed with this new evidence, a coterie of researchers - all associated with Pauling or his disciples - have recently obtained private funding for small trials of intravenous C.
University of Kansas Medical Center physician Jeanne Drisko has $375,000 for a trial of 30 ovarian cancer patients. In Montreal, McGill University oncologist Wilson Miller has $300,000 to find the maximum safe doses for treating various cancers.
Meanwhile, Levine is forging ahead with animal studies, trying to decipher the molecular magic of C's selective toxicity.
Does that mean he believes C is an unsung cancer weapon?
"I think that question is akin to 'Do you still beat your wife?' " he said. "The question I would ask is: Shouldn't we investigate the potential of ascorbate as a drug?... Let's not guess anymore. Let's be motivated by the truth."
Web Sites and Information
For more information on the pros and cons of intravenous vitamin C use, and where you might find the treatment:
The Center for the Improvement of Human Functioning in Wichita, Kan., specializes in certain alternative medical approaches, including intravenous vitamin C: http://www.brightspot.org/
Its intravenous C treatment protocol can be found at: http://www.canceraction.org.gg/recnac.htm
More links on post below.
Vitamin C: Cancer cure?
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 17:42:07:
Did it say how many of these people had already went through modern medicine before they turned to Hoxsey?
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Charles [854.74] on July 28, 2006 at 19:08:33:
No, there are so many treatments available, that I think it's quite tempting to ignore something with such a low success rate.
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
I know that tobacco has been used to treat cancer in France, Mexico, Argentina, Peru and Chile but I was only able find out that it had been used to treat nose and colon cancer although it also listed cancer by itself. I also know Quercetin must have some amazing healing powers looking at its' biological activities.
QUERCETIN
11B-HSD-Inhibitor; 5-Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor; Aldose-Reductase-Inhibitor; Allelochemic; Allergenic; Analgesic; Antiaflatoxin; Antiaggregant; Antiallergic; Antialzheimeran; Antianaphylactic; Antiarthritic; Antiasthmatic; Antiatherosclerotic; Antibacterial; Anticarcinomic (Breast); Anticariogenic; Anticataract; Anticolitic; Anticomplementary; AntiCrohn's; Anticystitic; Antidermatitic; Antidiabetic; Antielastase; Antiencephalitic; Antiescherichic; Antiestrogenic; Antifeedant; Antifibrosarcomic; Antiflu; Antigastric; Antigonadotropic; AntiGTF; Antihepatotoxic; Antiherpetic; Antihistaminic; AntiHIV; Antihydrophobic; Antihypertensive; Antiinflammatory ; Antileishmanic; Antileukemic; Antileukotriene; Antilipoperoxidant; Antimalarial; Antimelanomic; Antimetastatic; Antimutagenic; Antimyocarditic; Antinitrosaminic; Antinociceptive; Antioxidant; Antipancreatitic; Antiperiodontal; Antipermeability; Antiperoxidant; Antipharyngitic; Antiplaque; Antiplasmodial; AntiPMS; Antipodriac; Antipolio; Antiproliferant; Antiprostanoid ; Antiprostatitic; Antipsoriac; Antiradicular; Antispasmodic; Antistreptococcic; Antithiamin; Antithrombic; Antitrypanosomic; Antitumor; Antitumor (Bladder); Antitumor (Breast); Antitumor (Colon); Antitumor (Lung) ; Antitumor (Ovary); Antitumor (Skin); Antitumor-Promoter; Antiulcer; Antiviral; Apoptotic; ATPase-Inhibitor; Bacteristat; Bradycardiac ; Calmodulin-Antagonist; cAMP-Phosphodiesterase-Inhibitor ; Cancer-Preventive; Candidicide; Capillariprotective ; Carcinogenic; Catabolic ; COMT-Inhibitor; Copper-Chelator; COX-2-Inhibitor; Cyclooxygenase-Inhibitor ; Cytochrome-P450-1A2-Inhibitor; Cytotoxic ; Deiodinase-Inhibitor; Diaphoretic?; Differentiator; Estrogenic; Fungicide; Glucosyl-Transferase-Inhibitor ; Hemostat; Hepatomagenic; Hepatoprotective; HIV-RT-Inhibitor; Hypoglycemic ; Inotropic; Insulinogenic; Juvabional; Larvistat; Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor; MAO-A-Inhibitor ; Mast-Cell-Stabilizer ; Metal-Chelator (Copper); Metalloproteinase-Inhibitor; MMP-9-Inhibitor; Mutagenic; NADH-Oxidase-Inhibitor; NEP-Inhibitor; Neuroprotective; NO-Inhibitor ; NO-Synthase-Inhibitor ; Ornithine-Decarboxylase-Inhibitor ; P450-Inducer; P450-Inhibitor; Pesticide; Phospholipase-Inhibitor; Plasmodicide; Proliferant; Prostaglandin-Synthesis-Inhibitor; Protein-Kinase-C-Inhibitor; PTK-Inhibitor; Quinone-Reductase-Inducer; Teratologic; Topoisomerase-I-Inhibitor; Topoisomerase-II-Inhibitor; Tumorigenic; Tyrosinase-Inhibitor; Tyrosine-Kinase-Inhibitor; Vasodilator; Xanthine-Oxidase-Inhibitor
But Chlorogenic Acid might be even better for him if he does cancer.
CHLOROGENIC-ACID
Aldose-Reductase-Inhibitor; Allelochemic; Allergenic; Analgesic; Antiatherosclerotic; Antibacterial; Anticancer (Colon); Anticancer (Forestomach); Anticancer (Liver); Anticancer (Skin); Anticarcinogenic; AntiEBV; Antifeedant; Antigenotoxic; Antigonadotropic; Antihemolytic; Antihepatotoxic; Antiherpetic; Antihistaminic; AntiHIV; Antihypercholesterolemic; Antihyperthyroid; Antiinflammatory; AntiLegionella; Antileukotriene; Antimelanogenic; Antimutagenic; Antinitrosaminic; Antioxidant; Antiperoxidant; Antipolio; Antiradicular; Antiseptic; Antisunburn; Antithyroid; Antitumor; Antitumor (Colon); Antitumor (Forestomach); Antitumor (Liver); Antitumor (Skin); Antitumor-Promoter; Antiulcer; Antiviral; Autotoxic; Cancer-Preventive; Cholagogue; Choleretic; Clastogenic; CNS-Active; CNS-Stimulant Collagen-Sparing; Diuretic; Fungicide; Hepatoprotective; Histamine-Inhibitor; Immunostimulant; Insectifuge; Interferonogenic; Juvabional; Larvistat; Leukotriene-Inhibitor; Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor; Metal-Chelator; NO-Genic; Ornithine-Decarboxylase-Inhibitor; Oviposition-Stimulant; Pesticide; Sunscreen; Sweetener ; Vulnerary
I also know that tobacco can make our own body kill infections that can kill us but I DON'T know if it can work on cancer but I do love the idea of something making my body heal itself. I'm sure there are other substances that can make our body heal itself, the only problem is I don't know what they are or how to use them.
In Reply to: What I mean is... posted by micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 14:02:37:
I would disagree with that, cancer and heart problems are THE cash cows of the medical profession.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Charles [854.74] on July 28, 2006 at 19:22:34:
Thanks for your help. I appreciate you giving it your time and thought.
In Reply to: Re: Raw Organic Milk products UK posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 15:03:51:
A pioneer in alternative medicine, Dr. Mattius Rath
http://store.dr-rath-vitamins.com/s.nl/it.A/id.545/.f?sc=2&category=-102
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Order your copy of Dr. Raths book Cancer today.
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In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
Hi, UK Chris.
There is no such thing as "back cancer". If he has stomach cancer it could have metastasized to the spine but I need more information. In the meantime I would suggest he peruse the cancer archives and start learning his options.
Walt
In Reply to: Diet cures cancer???? posted by Micheleguru [20.829] on July 28, 2006 at 14:03:50:
Michele,
Sorry to have to disagree with you about this but I have professionally seen a strict Macrobiotic diet cure cancer on several occasions.
In MY opinion, radical dietary change should be part of any complementary approach to cancer management.
Walt
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
brown rice, a little beans, nuts, seeds. Dark green and orange vegetables. A tea called kukicha. Onions and garlic.
In Reply to: Re: Diet cures cancer???? Of course it CAN! Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 29, 2006 at 07:41:35:
there is no one diet fits all cure for cancer, but I feel that diet affects our health in lots of ways.
Macrobiotic diet might help many people with cancer but I wouldn't say it's the best thing for everyone. I'm a blood type O. :-)
In Reply to: In my opinion posted by Lurch [140.2797] on July 29, 2006 at 12:51:02:
but this is a hunch I have.
We're all different.
Lurch
In Reply to: Cancer Troubles posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 07:39:12:
I was communicating with a person about tobacco and I asked him where I could find out about it being used to treat cancer, this person told me but the this person also said there is a firm basis that tomatoes can treat cancer. This person did not elaborate on what was meant by firm basis but I would assume it may have meant solid evidence.
Now, tobacco and tomatoes are members of the same family and some of the chemicals are the same but we can eat tomatoes and it would seem these chemicals would go straight to our stomach. I didn't check all the chemicals in tomatoes but I did see the one that has the most biological activities in tobacco in that list. I will check it again.
In Reply to: In my opinion posted by Lurch [140.2797] on July 29, 2006 at 12:51:02:
Sorry, maybe I should have kept my mouth shut here. :-)
I do believe that diet is very important for all conditions and prevention.
Lurch
In Reply to: Oh Chris posted by Charles [854.74] on July 29, 2006 at 12:58:36:
Tomatotes and potatoes both have the chemical that has the most biological activities in tobacco. There are also several of the chemicals with the largest amount of biological activities in tobacco also in tomaotes and potatoes.
In Reply to: Re: Cancer Troubles posted by Charles [854.74] on July 28, 2006 at 19:22:34:
When I was looking up all I could find on tobacco I run into this book written by a doctor in California and she believes that a person can treat cancer by stimulating our own immune system through the foods we eat and she said that cashews would stimulate our immune system more than any other substance, nuts are great but cashews are the best and I looked cashews up and they have 10 CHEMICALS that can stimulate our immune system, I haven't found anything that has more than that.
But you can't eat a lot of them because they will give you diarrhea.
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Posted by ukchris [1400.2797] on July 28, 2006 at 22:45:42:
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Dr. Rath cancer studies
Posted by Janet [4810.2720] on July 29, 2006 at 04:23:03:
wrote the book Cancer. Uses Vitamin C and his link is on Dr. Budwig's page. She also links to Epican Forte.
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Call 1.800.624.2442 today to order Dr. Raths book Cancer. Mention this ad and receive your copy for $3.99 or, request a copy at your local independent health food store.
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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 29, 2006 at 07:11:42:
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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 29, 2006 at 07:41:35:
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macrobiotics
Posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 29, 2006 at 07:52:44:
Brown rice can be cooked 3 hours with 20 parts water to make it easier on the digestion, if he can't handle regular brown rice. The liquid can be drunk besides eating the soft rice.
Nothing sweet. No potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant,peppers, melon,cucumbers, tropical or citrus stuff.
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In my opinion
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I could be wrong
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Oh Chris
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