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If someone has cancer is their system more 'broken' than someone who has arthritis or colitis for example. Are they further over the cliff. Why is it that cancer patients when treated conventionally i.e. surgery or chemo can recover and go on to live long lives with no reoccurrences when they have not practiced wellness at all because of course they don't know to. just curious. I mean people can get diagnosed with cancer and never have 'felt' unwell whereas others feel crap most days. Who is sickest? Hope this makes sense
Thanks, Caroline
In Reply to: cancer- system is broken? posted by Caroline [7482.2404] on June 20, 2007 at 03:15:57:
Understanding about cancer is still off in the future, so your questions are not easy to answer. I think about it as a giant casino where we are all gambling away at different games. Some of us choose low risk games and still lose, although more often than not we walk away from the table with a bit more than before. Others choose high risk games--and many lose everything--and yet some of them still manage to walk away. But there is some risk everywhere.
About how people feel with cancer--that seems to have a lot to do with what kind of cancer it is and how far it has progressed, and in what part of the body. But it is easy to get confused: I remember as a child back in the early eighties that my parents thought nausea and hair loss were symptoms of cancer. Of course they usually aren't--but they ARE side-effects of radiation and toxic drugs!
The relationship between cancer and the immune system is still very unclear, and if I told you some ideas I have from reading a lot about it, I would still probably be plain wrong! Or there might be 100 other ideas needed to explain the whole picture.
But one thing I feel confident about is that, however the immune system may or may not deal with cancer itself, the immune system definitely works to eliminate substances from the body that CAUSE cancer (carcinogens). So we are really talking about prevention and not curing.
If you "play the game" of strengthening your immune system, you greatly lower YOUR risk of getting cancer. YOUR risk still may be high due to toxins in your home for example. Or your risk may be low, but you may get very very unlucky and get cancer anyway--but that is the sort of thing that it doesn't pay to worry about. Best to focus on eating organic, not smoking, etc. to avoid carcinogens. Then also strengthen your immune system-- Dr. Stoll's 3LS may be an excellent way to go for that.
Hope that helps!
In Reply to: cancer- system is broken? posted by Caroline [7482.2404] on June 20, 2007 at 03:15:57:
Cancer is a different type of illness that can take your life. Heart problems can also, but can be managed to a degree.
I have read that cancer will get you eventually, and each type has a lifespan, and finding it early, just gives you longer to know that you have it till it does you in, no matter the treatment. That doesn't explain the people treated, who supposedly live a normal lifespan, unless they were misdiagnosed.
Genes, environment, and lifestyle, probably play the biggest role. With bad genes, you probably can't do a lot. There are probably genes that will let you live long, and ones that do you in early, no matter what you do.
What you do or injuries, can do a lot of damage. Some can survive and recover, and others may not. I don't think anyone really knows what will keep us healthy. They say they know, but some can do all the supposed wrong things, and be healthier and live longer. I think the answer is to do what you believe is right, and hope you are right.
In Reply to: cancer- system is broken? posted by Caroline [7482.2404] on June 20, 2007 at 03:15:57:
I have just lost my mother-in-law to cancer. She was 77. She never practiced any wellness, and was quite overweight. She has had a premature menopause at 36, and a very mild type of uterine cancer at 64 (but which would no doubt have lead to serious consequences if not removed surgically). Otherwise she was never ill. At 75 she was diagnosed with an eye melanoma, and had her eye removed, and the next year she developed a huge soft tissue tumor on her right leg(also removed surgically). This January she was diagnosed with liver melanoma (metastases from the eye) and once the tumor started to grow, in May, it took only three weeks till she died.
Me and my husband were with her the last three weeks, and I must say I remain completely in the blank as to what cancer really is. She was active until the very end, and she never had any major complaints. She had no pains, and even when her liver was vastly enlarged she only felt discomfort. In fact she was only minimally medicated (to keep nausea away) and that was all.
However, I did observe that her energy levels have been low for a long time, and that she just ignored that, and pushed herself constantly to perform, even when she was too tired. If I were to diagnose her, I'd say "too tired". She was the youngest of three sisters. She has two elder sisters; one is 83 and healthy; the other is 79 and manages diabetes mostly with diet and exercise. They are all quite different: looks, personality, etc. But they all ate very similar diets; the only difference is that they walk and exercise. My MIL never was physically very active. Her condition seemed to be a kind of stagnation and her eye cancer may have something to do with the fact that she weaved and made clothes daily until her death.
Watching her wither away within just weeks, I wondered what happened to her. I too thought this was some kind of a 'system failure'; it was almost like an 'end program', where the body functions are told to stop functioning. She lasted a whole week after she had no food, and only a day after she could take no water. She remained conscious and strong until the very end. We helped her go through this difficult process from minute to minute. It was painful and at the same time giving to be able to help. I tried hard to distance myself emotionally (in order to cope), but what I observed made no sense. I could not understand what she went through, scientifically or otherwise.
It seems that end stages of cancer are but a visible result of a process or a struggle that the body has had for a long time. We know that there are cells that divide where they should not; we know that in the end there is a tumor, and that it absorbs the body's energy. But how does all of this start? I have a strong feeling that it is about energy management, but it can't be just that? Or if it is 'just that', then most of us will get cancer, because most of us mismanage our energy systems these days.. don't we? On the other hand, there must be something genetic, which maybe explains why some children die from cancer.
But what 'cancer' really is, remains a mystery to me. If someone has good theories or links to good theories about cancer, I'd appreciate that.
Sonja
In Reply to: cancer- system is broken? posted by Caroline [7482.2404] on June 20, 2007 at 03:15:57:
People who have already developed cancer have more irreversible genetic damage than people who haven't (unless the process leading to development of cancer i.e. the gene damage has already begun)
Recurrence rates and success of treatments vary from cancer to cancer
In Reply to: Re: cancer- system is broken? posted by lissa [708.8] on June 20, 2007 at 12:57:08:
This is both a damage of genes that are intended to PREVENT cancer and an activation of genes that have cancer markers on them.
In Reply to: Re: cancer- system is broken? posted by Eric [9458.3772] on June 20, 2007 at 04:51:52:
I think a distinction has to be made between risk factors and causes.
The cause of cancer is genetic damage. Most of the risk factors are leading to the cause.
In Reply to: Re: cancer- system is broken? posted by lissa [708.8] on June 20, 2007 at 13:57:06:
I think it's a lot less likely that you'll have genetic damage(cancer) if you keep your immune system strong. That's a lot easier said than done in the world we live in but I think that's where you need to start unless you're trying to cure cancer.
In Reply to: cancer- system is broken? posted by Caroline [7482.2404] on June 20, 2007 at 03:15:57:
Thanks, Caroline.
As I have said many times on this website: Which system breaks down first is mostly a matter of genetics and secondarily the long term environment.
Since there is little we can do about either of those things, we need to put our efforts into improving our immunity (3LS).
Walt
In Reply to: Re: cancer- system is broken? posted by North [5501.2761] on June 20, 2007 at 22:04:01:
Well. Low immunity may be one of the "risk factors" I was talking about.
As are carcinigens.......avoiding all of the risk factors will decrease your risk.
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