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Mouth sore

Posted by Michele on October 26, 1998 at 20:03:24:

Hi Dr. Stoll,
I bit the inside of my bottom lip really hard--and now, over a week later, I still have a very painful sore there. It is in a bad position in that it keeps rubbing against my bottom teeth. I'm worried it's infected as all the glands along my tongue/under my jawline are swollen. I've tried salt, salt water rinses, Zilactin, Kanka, Ambesol and the prescription mouthwash Peridex, and nothing's working. Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you in advance!
Namaste' Michele


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Re: Mouth sore

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 27, 1998 at 11:53:02:

In Reply to: Mouth sore posted by Michele on October 26, 1998 at 20:03:24:

Dear Michelle,


This a canker sore & was caused by the break in the skin.

The best treatment I know of is to take a dry Q tip and abrade the base of the white lesion till all the white stuff is gone. Press hard! You will see a bleeding base. Since this sore is painful already, this procedure will hurt as well. It only takes a second.

Then, take another dry Q tip and put a drop of Glyoxide on it. Carefully put that drop on the bleeding base (That doesn't hurt at all.) and leave it on the spot as long as you
reasonably can--a few minutes. Usually this is enough to do the job although you might have to do it twice that day.

Buy the smallest dropper bottle of Glyoxide since it gets old quickly once opened.

If this is a recurrent problem, write again, since there are ways to help prevent them.

Walt


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Re: Mouth sore

Posted by Michele on October 27, 1998 at 22:18:30:

In Reply to: Re: Mouth sore posted by Walt Stoll on October 27, 1998 at 11:53:02:

Where would I find Glyoxide? I've never heard of it. Oh, and yes, this is a recurrent problem. In fact, a year and a half ago I had about 15 canker sores in my mouth and they ALL got infected--hence the Peridex mouthwash Rx. I know that they can be stress related and are often connected with stomach problems, but I'm sure you can enlighten me even more. PS. Where do I find esterified vitamin C? Is that a kind not sold in most pharmacies, or is it just regular ol' vitamin C? Also, I have noticed that simply cutting my dairy intake has greatly reduced allergy symptoms that were really plaguing me. Am about to start on a skilled relaxation program as well. (I LOVED your book, by the way, VERY helpful--giving copies away for Christmas!) A world of thanks to you. I'm feeling much better overall, but I'm not there yet!



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Oops! Before you reply...another note!

Posted by Michele on October 27, 1998 at 23:33:06:

In Reply to: Re: Mouth sore posted by Michele on October 27, 1998 at 22:18:30:

I found the Glyoxide in the dental section of the grocery store--but I hope what I did was OK. I scraped the sore, (YOUCH!) but not very much because there was no white lesion--it has always been raw and bleeding. Putting that Glyoxide on there DID hurt-and a lot! It felt like when I tried putting salt directly on it a few times earlier in the week. It fizzed up a lot, much like the hydrogen peroxide did. But if it works, it was well worth it. Will this treatment cure any infection as well? Because my whole bottom lip is now swollen, hot and red, and currently pulsating. It's amazing how one little sore can affect a person. Thanks again!


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Re: Mouth sore

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 1998 at 11:42:27:

In Reply to: Re: Mouth sore posted by Michele on October 27, 1998 at 22:18:30:

Dear Michele,

Glyoxide is available in all drugstores.

Since your mouth is a part of your intestinal tract, canker sores are an early indication of progressive LGS.

ALL of the things we have discussed on this 'site, that have to do with LGS, would help prevent recurreent canker sores.

However, an additional thing that can be done is to avoid foods with arginine in them and try adding foods with lots of lysine (the antagonist of arginine--which the infectious organism associated with these lesions has to have to live).

You could also take about a gram of lysine, as a supplement, twice a day while you have the lesions and half that to help prevent them.

Esterified vitamin C is MUCH superior to regular vitamin C. The differences have been discussed many times on this 'site. This is the only supplement that has been awarded a patent (because of its differences & advantages).

Walt



Re: Oops! Before you reply...another note!

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 1998 at 11:59:01:

In Reply to: Oops! Before you reply...another note! posted by Michele on October 27, 1998 at 23:33:06:

Dear Michele,

Have you been chewing the lesion? ALL canker sores are painful and are covered with a white membrane BECAUSE they are chronic. ALL chronic sores in the mouth have this white membrans because all it is is macerated tissue covering the active process (even a healing process). A scab, inside the mouth would be white.

The only way I can imagine a sore in the mouth that did not have a white covering is is the person was worrying it so often that the white surface was worn off.

If this does not sound like what has been happening, you need to see a dentist of Dermatologist for an accurate diagnosis.

Putting the glyoxide on the lesion should not hurt at all. You do not have to rub it in, you just lightly place it on the surface.

If this were your first canker sore, your lip might swell like this. However, you are saying that this is a recurrent problem. SO, once again, I think you need a diagnosis right on the spot by someone who can look at & feel the lesion.

Walt



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Re: Oops! Before you reply...another note!

Posted by Michele on October 29, 1998 at 23:48:41:

In Reply to: Re: Oops! Before you reply...another note! posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 1998 at 11:59:01:

Dr. Stoll,

Yes, I agree with you--this lesion did feel a lot (and look a lot) different than all the other canker sores I've had over the last few years. It never did have the white membrane, I thought perhaps because it kept rubbing against my bottom teeth every time I talked, but I'm not sure. I know I wasn't chewing it because any rubbing on it at all nearly sent me through the roof, so to speak. I have never had my whole lip swell and get hot, or have my glands swollen all along the jawline. And like I said, placing just a drop of Glyoxide (I didn't rub it in) hurt quite a bit all three times I applied it over the last two days and foamed a lot as well. However, THE TREATMENT WORKED! I am happy to say I could actually chew today, for about the first time in a week and a half. My lip is no longer swollen or hot, and the sore hardly even hurts--it NOW has the white membrane over it and is definitely healing rapidly. Thank you for supplying the only treatment to work. You are the best! (By the way, should I still see a Doc.? I'd rather not, if it's not important.) Thanks again!


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Re: Oops! Before you reply...another note!

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 30, 1998 at 13:30:09:

In Reply to: Re: Oops! Before you reply...another note! posted by Michele on October 29, 1998 at 23:48:41:

Thanks, Michele.

It must have been your teeth rubbing it that kept the membrane off and the Glyoxide just helped enough to get past that phase.

Congratulations. By the way, the nodal enlargement is pretty common with canker sores. The worse, the more.

Walt




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