Walt Stoll, I've had AF for a few years now, and have read several comments on this BB on treatment with Magnesium. You have recommended Magnesium Sulphate as a supplement, if I rember correctly.
I looked at a pill bottle I had purchased and it listed Magnesium Phosphate as the source. Aside from the many forms used for buffering and laxatives, I have seen a bottle using "elemental magnesium" My local health food store reccomends a liquid product from Germany that just lists "magnesium". The health store people claimed this was more effective. Can you comment on which is "best" and the differences? (now taking 150mg 2x daily)
Anyone comment? Thanks, Anton
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Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium)
Posted by Walt Stoll on February 18, 1999 at 11:50:27:
In Reply to: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias posted by Anton on February 17, 1999 at 22:34:48:
Hi, Anton.
First, I have used injectable magnesium sulfate as an example of the massive doses used routinely for eclampsia of pregnancy as to how we know massive doses are safe. Unless injected, this would not be a good way to restore intracellular magnesium.
ALSO. remember that the majority of people with low intracellular magnesium, low enough to contribute to AF, would be unable to absorb it orally efficiently enough to resolve the problem. These people need at least a couple of grams of elemental magnesium (IV) several time a week for a couple of weeks before oral absorbtion would become efficient.
The best form of oral magnesium would be orotate, aspartate or glycinate. "Elemental" means that there is actually that much magnesium in the molecular dose being used. For example, magnesium orotate has so much magnesium in it but also has so much orotic acid in it and the orotic acid actually weighs more than the magnesium. SO, in that case, if the bottle said 1000 milligram tablets, the actual "elememtal" magnesium in it would be less than 500 milligrams.
What one needs for oral administration----even after being able to absorb it well----would be at least one gram of elemental magnesium twice a day.
Making sense?
Let us know how you do.
Walt
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Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium)
Posted by Anton on February 20, 1999 at 23:09:25:
In Reply to: Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium) posted by Walt Stoll on February 18, 1999 at 11:50:27:
Walt Stoll, Thanks for your reply, and yes, it is making more sense. Evidently there is a test I can take to see if my magnesium levels are OK. But would my regular M.D. know about this or even agree?
Sorry not to post immediate reply but Modem problem and a colonoscopy(routine) held me up. Everything fine, but the reason I mention the colonoscopy is that the prep included a large dose of magnesium citrate to "clean me out"! How much magnesium soes one absorb in this "bitter" routine?
Thanks for your help, Anton
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Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium)
Posted by Walt Stoll on February 21, 1999 at 11:42:35:
In Reply to: Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium) posted by Anton on February 20, 1999 at 23:09:25:
Hi, Anton.
Call (800) 532-3688 for the physicians close to you who would know enough to order an intracellular magnesium (and from where) and what to do about the result.
The reason magnesium citrate is used as a laxative is because it is NOT absorbed.
Walt
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Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium)
Posted by Anton on February 22, 1999 at 22:59:43:
In Reply to: Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium) posted by Walt Stoll on February 21, 1999 at 11:42:35:
Thanks Walt, for a promt reply- it must keep you BUSY! I forgot to mention my age, 63, which seems important now as my "net" searching for A-Fib info suggests:
1) As we age the heart atria muscles lose "P-cells", the cells that carry the pacing signal and make the muscle contract.
2) The aging ventricle chamber walls grow less flexible making the atrial chambers pumping job a bit harder.
If this is true, it could explain increasing A_Fib with age, and discourage some(of my) hopes of rejuvenation.
Is this accurate? Would this suggest that Magnesium wouldn't be as effective on an older person?
-Thanks again, Anton
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Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium)
Posted by Walt Stoll on February 23, 1999 at 11:08:45:
In Reply to: Re: Lone Cardiac Dysrrhythmias ("elemental" magnesium) posted by Anton on February 22, 1999 at 22:59:43:
Dear Anton,
ALL of the things you mentioned are true EXCEPT the bit about magnesium not working as well in older people. If anything, it works better.
All of the recent research (look up Dr Fries whose research I mentioned on this BB within the past month or so) indicates that the process of aging can be reversed about 20 years with the simple "wellness" techniques I have been describing on this BB for years.
Walt