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Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll

Posted by Straw on July 02, 2000 at 12:50:00:

Hi Dr. Stoll!

You probably remember that my 7 yr. old son had lots of behavior problems & with your help, we finally figured out he is celiac. We changed his diet completely, we are now using an herbal pill (Zan www.zan-pro.com) instead of Adderall. (Has been on it two weeks & we are praying it will be enough for school). Enough about my little boy (he's doing a ton better! - Thank you!)

Well, during the course of finding you & this BB & reading Beth's book & learning about alternatives, I am ready to do some things for me. :)

Unlike many others who find this site, I don't have (yet) major health problems, but I have probably done a lot of damage with eating the wrong foods, not doing SR (or even knowing about it). Now that my crisis is (mostly) over with my son, I realize that I did hurt my health by worrying so much about him. (Totally stressed out would be more accurate) I have read a book on chelation, your book, and some of the sites here and all the books you told me to get & read. I have heart disease on both sides of my family, I have high cholestral (I'm 44 yrs. old) and I know a doctor who does chelation. I want to do the chelation, the 1/2 kind (1 1/2 to 2 hrs & it also costs 1/2 as much). The reasons I want to do chelation are 1) that I had some tests done that show I do have some high metals, 2) I want to do it as preventative 3) somehow I just think this will help my body work better & feel better 4) I want to do something for JUST me, as opposed to spending all my time taking my son to special schools, P.T., cooking from scratch for my family, etc.

I am also trying to do SR (not quite sure if I totally have it right). I try at all times not to have my back teeth touch (my bite is off & I have TMJ), I try to keep my shoulders down at all times, I try during the day to "pray", and I try to really not worry, I try to enjoy what I'm doing & be appreciative of everything (even if it is cleaning toilets, etc.), so I think I'm figuring out what it is you want us to do. I'm not perfect & I don't have it all down, yet. But, my question is this. Will the chelation help me do something good for my body (in addition to me feeling like I am spending money just on me, truly trying to just spend time on me on my health, the psychological part)?

The reason I am asking is because I'm not sure if you recommend it as kind of a preventative thing to do, since I haven't had a stroke, or heart problem, or anything yet, so I'm not going to be doing it instead of a by-pass. I'm wanting to do it more like a treat, like I would be getting a facial or something. (I wanted to do it maybe one or two times a week for as many as you or the local doctor recommends).

Thank you. And, thank you again for all your help with my son. He is doing much better. Now he has just more of a strong, tempermental personality instead of meltdowns, rages, etc. and I think we have made so much progress & I know we are on the right track with his therapy.

Straw



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 03, 2000 at 09:10:36:

In Reply to: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll posted by Straw on July 02, 2000 at 12:50:00:

Hi, Straw.

Your testimonial about your son will help others understand that their purely conventional physicians are missing the boat.

Anyone with a history like yours would be wise to do some prophylactic chelation. Unfortunately, the 1/2 chelation is about half effective as well. However, if you did that along with the SR and a 10% fat diet (for a year) it would probably significantly reduce your risk of coronary, cancer and stroke. See the Pritikin Plan at your library.

I chelated myself twice (full strength and 30 chelations each time) in my late 40s and early 50s as a prophylaxis and so I could tell patients what it was like. Here I am at 63 with a normal cholesterol and large arteries that are as clear as a new born.

Walt



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by
Vince F on July 03, 2000 at 09:22:01:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Walt Stoll on July 03, 2000 at 09:10:36:

Walt,

Ever find out what caused your stroke ??

VF



Re: Chelation, 1/2 treatments & SR

Posted by Straw on July 03, 2000 at 11:17:11:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Walt Stoll on July 03, 2000 at 09:10:36:

Thanks, Dr. Stoll for answering.

I will make my appointment for the doctor that does chelation & discuss with him the treatments. I was hoping since I'm 5'2" and about 128 lb. (20 lbs or so overweight) that the 1/2 treatment would be enough, as I'm sure people who are 200 lbs. or so probably do the full chelation. I was hoping for my time & money, that would be as effective as the full treatment for my body size.

I will take your advice on the 10% fat & I plan to exercise more and eat better. I cannot promise to do the 100% perfect diet, mostly because I have found that if I try to do something as well as I can & cut myself some slack, I am more successful than if I intend to do something 100% perfectly & feel like a total failure if I am not 100% perfect. I seem to never be able to be 'perfect' at anything.

I will continue to read the archives, to try to figure out the SR. I have some relaxation tapes that work. They talk to you about counting down from 10 to 1, relaxing every fiber of your being, in one with God & the universe, etc. and they put me into totally melting into my pillow (without quite going to sleep). So, if that is the state I'm supposed to be in, they work.

Thanks again! It is so nice to know you are here & I have someone I can ask these questions to.

Straw :D



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 04, 2000 at 08:55:39:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Vince F on July 03, 2000 at 09:22:01:

Hi, Vince.

We think so. I have posted this information before and so has RocketHealer Jim.

Basically, it was my own fault. I had stopped my SR 2 years ago to find the time to keep up with the BB. The stress finally blew the top off my pressure, which had been normal for 20 years after learning to practice SR. The constriction of the blood vessels, coupled with the small vessel damage caused by my 20 years of insulin resistant diabetes, caused the stroke symptoms.

In a nutshell.

Walt



Re: Chelation, 1/2 treatments & SR

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 04, 2000 at 09:00:45:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation, 1/2 treatments & SR posted by Straw on July 03, 2000 at 11:17:11:

Hi, Straw (petite).

At your size, it is a lot more likely that the 1/2 chelation would be adequate.

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

Walt



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by
Vince F on July 04, 2000 at 11:26:07:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Walt Stoll on July 04, 2000 at 08:55:39:

Thanks for the info Walt, I must have missed it. With all my
limitations now I get confused or skip things.

Health is an interesting adventure and like many things in
my life I have experienced some extrememes. I tend not to
fight things if they work even if the common wisdom is
different and I search for the truth and the right way so I
don't struggle trying to do something that may be wrong or
at least wrong for me. I believe my dad did and harmed
himself and mymothers father didn't and lived to be 104 and
put in a home to slow him down. He had some problems late in
life that I think I understand.

I am kind of a rebel I guess and believe in SR but maybe
not in a traditional way and maybe for me that doesn't work.
I have always been a very physical person and like to work
and play hard but rest hard also. Once I get a plan or idea
in my head I like to do it even when others say it is too
hard or not worth the time or effort but the rewards to me
are very satisfying and people have been amazed at things I
have done. I believe the exertion releases endorphins and
that They relax me plus I accomplish a Very rewarding task.

I am Very limited now after a chemical exposure injury
that damaged everything but I still at least plan to do the
things I did before and at leat buy materials but they are
piling up. Many things slow me down but I keep dreaming and
hoping i will get the strength and energy to get started.

I have friends who won't do much for themselves and I sort
of laugh when they tell me their physical problems like an
irregular heart or low bone density or blocked arteries and
their Drs tell them they need to exercise which I had
imagined and when I tell them I have been carrying a
replacement exhaust system in the trunk of my car for over
a year they tell me to get a mechanic to put it on but I tell
them that I want to do it. I have been correcting others
mistakes that I had paid for since I was a teen and figure I
couldn't do much worse and learn every time I do something
and feel great before and after the fatigue leaves even now
when it and aches are severe.

VF



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 05, 2000 at 08:21:42:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Vince F on July 04, 2000 at 11:26:07:

Hi, VF.

Congratulations on what you HAVE learned.

My suggestion is that you are really missing the boat about SR. Read Hans Selye, MD's "The Stress of LIfe", Dr Kenneth Pelletier's classic "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" and Herbert Benson, MD's "The Relaxation Response".

Learning cannot harm you and you will begin to understand what you are missing once you have absorbed the above references.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by
Vince F on July 05, 2000 at 09:52:34:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Walt Stoll on July 05, 2000 at 08:21:42:

Walt,

I am always willing to learn something new but always felt
really relaxed after pushing myself like runing wind sprints
till I Didn't want to run anymore before playing tennis
since in a few minutes I was more warmed up than the 20 min
it would take me to get ready to play just hiting the ball.
Doesn't a Runners High do similar things ?? I prefer a walk
through the woods and experiencing nature to meditating and
I think I meditated while washing the car Plus my body
got a workout. I feel it is possible to combine the two,
doing things And relaxing once you have experienced the two
and see a ling or a way to combine them. Right now I have
a carbureator from my car apart to solve some leaky gas
smells and sooty exhaust. I could buy one for 600$ or have a
mechanic do the job for more and IF the problems aren't
solved to my satisfaction I will feel ripped off and be told
by the mechanic that it runs fine or he can't smell the gas.
Doing it myself which I have done before and fixed things
mechanics couldn't and found out that the shop manuals were
wrong that even confused neighbor machinists solved the
and made me feel smarter than them. I had a motor on a
new car rebuilt under warranty after 3K miles when i was 18
when i knew the factory used the wrong spark plugs in it
since they were fouling out and Even the rebuilding didn't
cure it so i changed the plugs myself on a cold Xmass night
and when I talk to mechanic friends they say that was the
problem before I tell them. the dealer wouldn't change them
because of warranty concerns but did 4 tuneups and rebuilt
the motor causing a Lot of Grief and Stress.

Having a problem working outside with annoying lazy
neighbors making dumb comments when they see me working and
with my physical limitations I struggle to get started and
do figure how to do the work to the point I Don't want to
go out and deal with the peoples negative comments because
they are either dumb or negative. Finally geting started on
car I had to deal with 4 people saying Dumb Negative stuff.
I usually try to be sociable and civil but I wasn't going
to get much done having to hear these people so started to
anticipate the negative as soon as I see them so i am
prepared and not cought off guard. It may sound paranoid
or some other problem but like i did when i went out late
at night and couldn't see well and had little strength I
looked at everyone as a possible threat so i wouldn't feel
affraid of something that may not be but i didn't see well
It took me to trying to think like a mugger and size people
up in a way and doing that i was Very aware of what was
around me and ready to deal with any problems and Not feel
stressed.

A fellow brain and body injured E friend gets comments
from passing neighbors as he struggles to work on his house
and One guy even stopped his car and said, he wanted to see
the guy who was Diging his way to China as he turned over
the soil of his lawn to get rid of weeds and start fresh. We
Both agreed that whatever we have to do stop the dumb
comments like, I'm geting tired just watching you or why
don't you hire someone to do that when we Both like to
work hard and get a lot of satisfaction from it and We
wouldn't be so rude to annoy somone doing something that
whatever we have to do even saying nothing and glaring or
acting like a nut is worth it. it is working so far for
both of us and maybe will help us not have to have to deal
with problems. Another friend said, Just Ignore them. Can't
do that since my mind starts wondering why they said things
and, Yea it is hard, But I want to do it and not doing it
I think and plan How I can and months or years go by.

Anyway, I look into what you suggested.

VF



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by
Vince F on July 05, 2000 at 14:57:06:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Vince F on July 05, 2000 at 09:52:34:

I read through your info on stress relief and wonder if
some people could be different ?? Like I mentioned I am
working on my carb and though there is some worry I may not
have found the problem the work is SO relaxing to me when i
take breaks because I don't have the stamina. I always liked
knowing how to solve problems or deal with any that might
come up and while others fretted I felt I understood what
could happen and was ready for any problems. Sorry to say
I lost a lot of that with memory, strength, and stamina
problems but Still feel i have that desire to investigate
and Relearn and keep learning new things.

I Will work on the carb till I get it right and feel
satisfied when I do and check that off as something I can handle.

I thought about my Afghan as a source of stress and they
can cause a Lot because they are Very independent and
stubborn because they were bred to be independent hunters
and have coats that need a lot of attention but though I
love all animals I can't see owning any other breed. I used
to be able to handle their quirks and drives with ease and
as with everything else it is Much harder and I have 2 that
are as difficult as they get but I still wouldn't trade them
and I manage to keep them taken care and walked occasionally
Not like before I was injured but we manage. People tell me
to get rid of them because of my condition but I just think
they are lazy or as some say, they Know Their Limits. I
don't want to know mine since I want to Always get better
and I keep geting closer and from being 44 and feeling like
22 I went to feeling and functioning like i was 90 and then
with improvements I felt i was feeling younger. Last time I
measured my condition by age I said i felt around 60. I am
56 and probably feel or act that age in some ways but won't
stop searching to improve till i don't have any limits.

I had a similar problem years before my current injury and
couldn't do much but when I recovered I did more than before

VF



Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 06, 2000 at 08:12:57:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation & Questions for Dr. Stoll (Testimonial--brain chemistry) posted by Vince F on July 05, 2000 at 09:52:34:

Hi, Vince.

I am glad you are going to look into it!

I, too would have said EXACTLY [about myself] what you are saying (and, as a matter of fact, did many times before I learned better).

Let us know what you think once you have done your homework. You will NEVER be sorry.

Namaste`

Walt



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