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Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 15:52:38:

I read the chelation articles and archives, but they are mostly about artery stuff. I just read an article about autism in the Discover magazine April 2007 and they talk about heavy metals being a possible cause of autism and success with chelation. My son doesn't have autism, but has has headaches that the neurologist hadn't heard of- pressure all over the head, rather than in one spot. To me, it sounded like maybe brain swelling. The article on autism describes those kinds of headaches. It also gave maps of heavy metal dumping areas and we live in one.
-How do I get the kid tested for heavy metals?
-Is hair analysis effective or a scam?
-Should a blood test be used?
-Is chelation for heavy metals considered a 'legitimate' use of chelation?
-Would testing and treatment, if needed, be something insurance companies consider acceptable?

BTW, the archives give ACAM's number as 1-800-532-3688. That works if you know someone's extension there and want to talk to them. For referrals and questions, they direct you to 1-888-439-6891 where you get directed to their website acam.org
At acam.org you can look for a practitioner in your area, but the listings are incomplete- some give the person's name and MD, DO, or RN. Some give no medical credential, so you can't really look them up in your local phonebook, not knowing what category they are in. Searching by zipcode is limited to within 100 miles, so one has to go find out the zipcode of a city 4 hours away to find out if it has any ACAM practitioners. Some people who come up, it tells you what they specialize in, like acupuncture or chelation. Others, it tells you nothing about what they practice. I get the impression this is a self-registry.
The closest one to us, an MD, lists, on the acam site, chelation as something he does, but, researching him through google and finding his web site, he doesn't list chelation and his web page is full of articles on conventional medicine (not critical articles).
Would all chelation people be listed by ACAM, or are the people they list (you can't search by speciality) a membership limited subset of chelation people? If the latter, where else can one look?
Thanks



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by lmd [4025.1399] on April 02, 2007 at 16:01:07:

In Reply to: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 15:52:38:

Just to give you my observations on chelations for heavy metals. I met a car factory worker who had poisoning from cleaning the machinery with liquids. I think he said lead was the worst. Chelation helped him improve, legs would work and with no pains, and when I last talked to him he said he was 90% back to normal. I`ve also watched many others improve from metal poisoning with chelation. It certainly would be a good insurance for healthy removal of toxins. There`ll be some good experts that can give you more info.



link to testimonials for chelation

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 16:02:04:

In Reply to: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 15:52:38:

all the kind for arteries, but good reading

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Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 16:05:40:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by lmd [4025.1399] on April 02, 2007 at 16:01:07:

thanks- do you know what kind of testing these people started with?

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what do you think of ion cleanse?

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 18:21:28:

In Reply to: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 15:52:38:

I came across this at one of the web sites for alternative health-does it make any sense?

IonCleanse

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The IonCleanse process is an amazing cleansing method for detoxifying your entire body by bathing your feet in warm water. It is an external detoxification method, which removes toxins through your feet.

The human body is like a giant magnet that attracts and holds onto toxins. Heavy metals, partially oxidized fats, unassimilated proteins, cholesterol deposits, uric acid, plaque, lactic acide and the vast array of chemicals that invade our water, air and food attach themselved ionized form to joints, organs, arteries, nerves, and tissues. Toxins disrupt normal body functions creating an environment for disease, allergies, and immune system problems.


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Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Nutmeg [4785.74] on April 02, 2007 at 22:46:27:

In Reply to: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 15:52:38:

Hi ANN,

You might try contacting Doctor's Data, a lab that performs testing for toxins and heavy metals. It is the lab my doctor uses for these things. I saw they have a page you can e-mail them from, as well as toll-free phone numbers. Hopefully you would get to talk or e-mail with a real human if you contacted them and you could ask for a list of names of practitioners in your state or region who use their services.

http://www.doctorsdata.com/contact_us.asp

Nutmeg



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on April 03, 2007 at 07:29:22:

In Reply to: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 02, 2007 at 15:52:38:

Thanks, Ann.

For health reasons, I have not practiced chelation for 13 years. Even then I had no experience with using it for Autism. I am sorry that you are getting the runaround but MDs still have to protect themselves from the "ignorant majority power structure" and that might explain some of your difficulty.

In the meantime, let us know the age of your son since there might well be other options you can try in the meantime. See the brain chemistry archives for some options.

Walt



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 03, 2007 at 09:20:38:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on April 03, 2007 at 07:29:22:

he doesn't have autism, that's just what the Discover article was about.
My son is 16. I've posted about his problems before. He has type 1 diabetes, celiac, and scoliosis. He is whole grain vegan, raised with breastfeeding and no vaccines. He developed a bad taste in his mouth a couple of years ago and then mental confusion and headaches. Since those can be symptoms of kidney failure, we have had kidney function tests run twice. He's had a brain MRI that was said to be fine, but the autism article talks about how the MRIs are read with an eye to the cerebrum and ignoring the white matter. The idea in the article was inflammation in the white matter, causing swelling and headaches. He's also been checked out by a dentist who said his teeth were perfect, but suggested brushing the tongue. That helped the bad taste a little, but didn't eliminate it.
The kid avoids gluten, takes a lot of supplements (including brain fuel and thinkfast), eats whole foods and no sugar. His only med is humulin R.

My questions were about chelation for treatment of heavy metal toxicity and how to test to find out if that is a problem in the first place. Alternative health includes both sincere, intelligent practitioners as well as wackos and quacks. I'd like to walk in knowing how to evaluate these people.
How would YOU test for heavy metals? Hair analysis? Blood tests? If heavy metal removal is considered the legimate use of chelation by the med establishment, there are probably conventional practitioners of it. Could they be expected to be competent at it, or would the alt. practitioners doing it for arteries be more knowledgeable, more experienced, or use different chemicals or techniques? Was chelating for heavy metals taught when you were in med school (I guess kids used to get lead poisoning back then from peeling house paint and I read an article in Readers Digest decades ago about a family that came down with lead poisoning after the whole family drank OJ every morning from improperly glazed, lead containing ceramic pitcher and cups they had picked up on a trip to Mexico). I've know two guys who worked with lead a lot who each had a child who was born with retardation. Doing something about lead poisoning must have been around for a long time-are the old treatments chelation or was there an earlier approach?



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 03, 2007 at 09:21:58:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by Nutmeg [4785.74] on April 02, 2007 at 22:46:27:

thanks- do you know if hair testing is a valid procedure or if blood testing is the way to go?



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Nutmeg [4785.74] on April 03, 2007 at 23:57:04:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 03, 2007 at 09:21:58:

Hi ANN,

I think there is some controversy on the validity of hair analysis for heavy metals, so blood testing is probably the best way to get an accurate baseline.

Once chelation is begun, if that turns out to be warranted, use the fecal test periodically to gauge progress. If there are heavy metals in the solid waste, then the body is appropriately eliminating it. Once the levels are way down in the fecal test, chelation has probably accomplished what it can do.

Nutmeg



thanks-nmi

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 04, 2007 at 06:50:44:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by Nutmeg [4785.74] on April 03, 2007 at 23:57:04:

nmi

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Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on April 04, 2007 at 07:29:32:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 03, 2007 at 09:20:38:

Thanks, Ann.

This rapidly advancing and complex field is only understood by ultraspecialists in the field. To find them I would start with ACAM.

With scoliosis and celiac disease, I would certainly also be looking at reversing his total body bracing, which few specialists in chelation would know much about, and which certainly can do no harm. You could get ahead of the curve by reading Dr Gershon's classic: "The Second Brain". I got MY copy from the local lending library which is the best way to do it. THEN, if you need it for reference, to educate his docs, you can always buy your own copy.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on April 04, 2007 at 07:30:46:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 03, 2007 at 09:21:58:

Neither is very good but this is for the ultraspecialist to determine.

Walt



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Sally [8783.1590] on April 04, 2007 at 08:57:35:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 03, 2007 at 09:20:38:

ANN, my daughter used "iron" supplementation (not sure if it was ferrous sulfate or some other) for her child. This removed lead due to lead paint contamination. Is there a reason that wouldn't work as well as chelation?



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 04, 2007 at 16:18:53:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on April 04, 2007 at 07:29:32:

thanks- first I've heard of this book-will check it out.

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Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 04, 2007 at 16:20:10:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by Sally [8783.1590] on April 04, 2007 at 08:57:35:

I don't know- the chelation archives are fairly negative about oral chelation and seem to think IV is superior. Think I'll see if there are any books about chelation.



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 04, 2007 at 16:25:15:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on April 04, 2007 at 07:30:46:

I honestly haven't found any listings of chelation people billing themselves as ultraspecialists-any suggestion as to what kind of credentials I'd want from a practitioner?
Nine years ago, my kid started with a doc with a great reputation for diabetes. Took me two years (while educating myself) to find out how clueless he was. I took over my son's diabetes care and got his A1C way down. During that time, I consulted with an ND- nice fellow, very eager, kept running in and out of the room to get reference books and read me stuff about diabetes (stuff I had already read). The world is full of nice, but incompetent people, including professionals. How do I begin to judge someone in a field I'm not up on?



Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Sally [8783.1590] on April 04, 2007 at 17:52:09:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 04, 2007 at 16:20:10:

OK, but the iron supplement worked.

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Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions

Posted by Walt Stoll [1915.1889] on April 05, 2007 at 07:54:02:

In Reply to: Re: Dr Stoll- chelation questions posted by ANN [1003.516] on April 04, 2007 at 16:25:15:

Ann,

I suggest you start with the AHMA (American Holistic Medical Association). See archives.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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