Chelation historical posts March 1998

Taking amino acids "away from food"

Posted by Sylvia on March 08, 1998 at 10:59:55:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

My husband has recently been diagnosed with congestive heart failure. My husband refuses to take the cardiac cath test.
Last week we went to see a M.D. member of ACAM who does chelation. My husband is considering chelation. However, this doctor recommended he take taurine and L-carnitine and magnesium with instructions to take "away from food". How long before or after eating does this mean? He also takes Q10 with food. The chelation doctor also wants my husband to have a fasting insulin level test.
We requested this test from our primary doctor (HMO medicare) and he said O.K. The cardiologist is very against chelation. I guess we will have to tell him if my husband decides on the chelation. It would be better if these doctors would cooperated with each other. We feel like we are hanging out on a limb.

Re: Taking amino acids "away from food"

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 10, 1998 at 09:55:26:

In Reply to: Taking amino acids "away from food" posted by Sylvia on March 08, 1998 at 10:59:55:

Dear Sylvia,

ANY "cardiologist" who is "against chelation" is intentionally ignorant and cares more about his/her income than the welfare of his/her patient. The time is long past when ANY physician has any excuse for not at least knowing about chelation's benefits in these kind of cases.

To flatly be against chelation is proof that that physician knows NOTHING about the process. It cannot harm & almost universally does a lot of good. What possible reason--other thatn touting the party line--could any caring physician have for not at least admitting that s/he knows nothing about it?

Youu definitely need another cardiologist. If your chelating physician is not one, at least s/he would know of some who have enough of an open mind to see the benefits of chelation for his/her patients.

Your husband is correct in his refusal of doing the catheterization thing. There area only 2 reasons for doing it: 1. In preparation for the surgery, and; 2. To document the improvements due to the chelation or Pritikin or Ornish Plans. This is usually done to "prove" to the doubting "cardiologist" that the patient was right & hope that the doc will learn from having his/her nose rubbed in the incontrovertible evidence. Physicians like that are not really interested in facts so the "proof" usually slides right over their heads anyhow.

Unless you "need" to do the latter, the risk of the catheterization is not worth it.

I have no experience with using taurine or l-carnitine for this condition. There is no reason I know of for taking magnesium away from food--indeed the opposite. You really need to discuss this question with the chelating physician. Those I know of are more williing to take the time to educate the patient than those conventional cardiologists who are mired in the medicine of the 20th century.


Re: Chelation

Posted by Jim Elswick on March 09, 1998 at 21:56:05:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 1998 at 10:11:48:

I completed 30 chelation treatments about two years ago primarily as a preventative measure. I was 63 and didn't have much energy at the time. Dr. Stoll, what would you suggest as an appropriate follow up chelation maintenance program?

Re: Chelation

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 11, 1998 at 14:20:14:

In Reply to: Re: Chelation posted by Jim Elswick on March 09, 1998 at 21:56:05:

Dear Jim,

If you have followed the preventive maintenance program all chelating physicians are supposed to teach you about (that you do at home: l;ow fat diet, skilled relaxation and exercise), you may well need no more chelation.

For those who are not helping themselves, one a month is a common recommendation. HOWEVER, in MY experience, the life-style changes are MUCH more effective than any chelation maintenance probram.

Of course, combining both would be more effective. Any chelating physician should be able to tell you how many YOU, particularly, need & for how long.


Re: Uric Acid and Chelation Therapy

Posted by Liz on March 14, 1998 at 05:01:24:


I would like to know if medication the only way out for people with high uric acid ?

Is there any other way of reducing uric acid ,like maybe through regular excise and type of food to avoid or take more ? If so , what food should be avoided ?

Thank You


Re: Uric Acid and Chelation Therapy

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 16, 1998 at 10:14:40:

In Reply to: Re: Uric Acid and Chelation Therapy posted by Liz on March 14, 1998 at 05:01:24:

Dear Liz,

I know of no help that Chelation might be for Goute.

As you know, Goute is a congential defect that omits the enzyme needed to convert uric acid to urea (the normal way that protein breakdown products exit the body--the reason urine is called urine is because of the urea).

It was accidentally discovered, about 40 years ago, that allopurinal replaced this missing enzyme. SO, treating Goute with allopurinal (Zyloprim) is NOT like using a medication--any more than using injectable insulin is using a "medication" to treat diabetes.

Next, fully 90% of all diagnosed cases if goute ARE NOT GOUTE. Physicians MUST know enough to do a 24 houre urine--in addition to the blood test--to reduce the incidence of false diagnosis. If the case is a false diagnosis, the allopurinal will not help.

Before we had this replacement enzyme, the only thing we could do was help the kidney excrete uric acid faster (Benemid & Colchicine) AND to reduce protein waste product excretion by reducing protein in the diet.

This is one case where conventional medicine is the best approach IF the person has not been falsly diagnosed.

Be careful if you have the same physician, who has pronounced the diagnosis on the basis of a blood test alone, run the 24 hour urine. Many physicians HATE to be proven wrong and s/he might just snow you into thinking the urine test substantiated the diagnosis when it did not.

By the way, one of the reasons docs make so much money is that it is THEIR responsibility to teach you these things. You shouldn't have to go to the internet for your information.


Re: Uric Acid and Chelation Therapy

Posted by Paul on March 19, 1998 at 17:22:23:

I have gout and am allergic to Allupurinal which causes itchy rash under the skin. Therefore, colchicine is substituted. Rather than take medicine daily I usually wait for an attack and treat it then. Indocin (25 mg) will reduce pain, swelling, and redness in one day.. or overnight. However, only take this with MD advise. Note: the 75 mg of indocin once a day has adverse affects. Take the 25mg 3 times daily.

Re: Uric Acid and Chelation Therapy

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 21, 1998 at 11:02:39:

In Reply to: Re: Uric Acid and Chelation Therapy posted by Paul on March 19, 1998 at 17:22:23:

Dear Paul,

How was your goute diagnosed? With your multiple sensitivities, you have to have LGS which is the most common underlying cause of all arthritic symptoms.

Unless you have a 24 hour urine test for uric acid, along with the blood test, the odds are at least 9 to 1 that you have been falsely diagnosed as having goute (the national average).



Posted by Scott Orselet on March 09, 1998 at 12:57:25:

Dr. Stoll,

My father is quite overweight eats and drinks excessively. He has just been diagnosed with what is determined to be very serious probem with leg angina, (claudation). They are hestitant to operate for fear of heart attack. They are considering amputation. Are there intermediate treatments to try and improve his situation?

Thank you,

Scott Orselet

Re: claudication/stenosis

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 11, 1998 at 13:53:26:

In Reply to: claudation/stenosis posted by Scott Orselet on March 09, 1998 at 12:57:25:

Dear Scott,

Chelation is THE answer to his problem. However, most physicians certified in Chelation would probably refuse to Chelate him unless he helped himself at least by stopping drinking. If he would sooner lose his legs than stop drinking, you should just love him as he is & get him a wheelchair (or coffin) when the time comes.

Call ACAM at (800) 532-3688 (the international organization that standardizes chelation and the training for such skills. They can give you more information and the names of the closest physicians who know how to offer it.

He might even find one who will give him the Chelation without his doing anything to help himself, However, his benefits would be temporary & he would have to have it done again in a year or so. Eventually it would not work any more & he would be back where he is today--just a few years older.

For some people that is enough. His symptoms would go away & NO ONE would be suggesting amputation for all that time.

What does the doc say about his surviving an amputation? That kind of surgery would be a LOT more traumatic than replacing his blocked arteries (unless they are blocked just off the aorta).

Good luck! Remember, your dad has to want to be well enough to put some effort into it himself.


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