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Just wondering...why is it that some chiropracters perform stretching/light massage for me prior to adjustments while others don't? I know that their main job is to perform adjustments but it just seems so much more beneficial to do a little bit of everything.
In Reply to: Chiropracter question posted by Elizabeth [798.4] on February 23, 2004 at 18:45:03:
I think that when you get an adjustment, it's mainly for the muscles. If your muscles are tight, the adjustment will stay for about 3 days or less unless the cause is treated for your sublaxation. The one who does massage before, knows this. I'd stick with that one.
In Reply to: Chiropracter question posted by Elizabeth [798.4] on February 23, 2004 at 18:45:03:
Hi Elizabeth,
Chiropractors have different training, different ways of working, and different specialties. Plus some are more skilled than others.
Best wishes,
Jan (Happygal)
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by Jennifer [18.209] on February 23, 2004 at 20:25:57:
when I get new patients that are really stiff, I don't even bother adjusting'em, since it would make things worse....
Instead, I'll give'em precise directions and/or supplements to naturally ease their stiffness (addressing dehydration, constipation, use of caffeine, dairies...)....after few days, they are noticeably more manageable, and ready to get a vertebral adjustment.
unless they do so, I tell'em straight off not to bother come back....yes, my practice is busy enough that I can afford to tell the truth. :D
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by Jennifer [18.209] on February 23, 2004 at 20:25:57:
Hi - I'm a cmt, but have two theories on adjustments in relation to massage - would love input from anyone/everyone, especially Hap and RicDC....
I feel that it's easier to adjust someone who has had a massage, because their muscles are more pliable, thus their bones will go into place without pain or resistance..however, after the adjustment, the muscles are still in the "wrong" tension, and I feel that a massage AFTER the adjustment is critical as it helps the muscles to not pull the bones OUT of alignment...
Which is correct? Both? Neither?
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by RickyD.C. [174.889] on February 24, 2004 at 07:36:58:
Ricky,D.C. - interesting,,,, hope you come back to the board, as I have some questions!?? if you will answer:-)
In Reply to: Re: two different takes on muscles and adjustments posted by Michele [6.15] on February 24, 2004 at 07:46:45:
great questions Michelle! hope we get some good answers!!!:-) Why don't chiropractors suggest a massage??!
In Reply to: Re: two different takes on muscles and adjustments posted by Jayne [530.513] on February 24, 2004 at 09:03:35:
massage is great before AND after....if you can afford it! :P
I suggest stiff patients to get a massage before a visit....I obviously do not have the time and inclination to massage, so I compromise using a thumping device for a few minutes before&after, it does make a difference, even if not remotely comparable to 20/30 minutes of hands-on job...:)
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by Jayne [530.513] on February 24, 2004 at 09:01:00:
don't really have much time to spend on forums really...:P
but if a question arises, I'll tell Thessa (my partner) to let me know...:)
In Reply to: Re: two different takes on muscles and adjustments posted by Jayne [530.513] on February 24, 2004 at 09:03:35:
My Chiro does suggest massage (with me :)
In Reply to: Re: two different takes on muscles and adjustments posted by Michele [6.15] on February 24, 2004 at 07:46:45:
Hi,
A chiropractor I work with sometimes told me it doesn't make much difference if a massage is before or after the adjustment. Either time is beneficial.
Best wishes,
Jan DeCourtney, CMT
In Reply to: Chiropracter question posted by Elizabeth [798.4] on February 23, 2004 at 18:45:03:
Tight muscles can cause spinal dysfunction and spinal dysfunction can cause tight muscles. Figuring out which scenario you're working with is a big help.
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by RickyDC [174.889] on February 24, 2004 at 09:32:29:
Hi babe! I'm not around that much anymore either... but when I pop in I'll send posts your way if I see them... but Jayne, go ahead and ask away now while you've got him!
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by RickyD.C. [174.889] on February 24, 2004 at 07:36:58:
Where were you when I needed you?
I've been avoiding chiropractors for a few years now because too many of them don't follow your advice. In the past, I've let a couple of them make adjustments to me right after my back had gone out and I was as stiff as an old wind-blown tree. I always got worse after their adjustments. Years of experience taught me the same thing. If my back goes out, its time to rest, usually for about two weeks, before I let anyone touch it.
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by DrDave [1460.109] on February 24, 2004 at 12:53:34:
problem is, both tight muscles and "spinal dysfunction" have an underlying cause as well (unless a direct trauma), so unless such cause is addressed, it will coming back, both subluxation AND tight muscles.... my collegues, expecially the american ones, thrive on that, prescribing series of endless adjustments that at the best ease some discomfort for few feeks, only to come back with vengeance if the underlying cause is not somewhat addressed.
underlying cause is 95% of the time toxicity of liver and intestines, along with severe dehydration.
if the patient cooperates, usually gets well....OTOH, if he deems unconceivable that a congested liver can cause such shoulder/lumbar pain, he will get lost soon, back to M.D. care....just to show up again after few more months, in even worst conditions......:P
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by RickyD.C. [174.889] on February 24, 2004 at 07:36:58:
Hey RickyDC,
What are the supplements you recommend to your patients? (And thanks for sharing your expertise with us!)
ppsstt...Thessa - you still in the states?
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by Ricky DC [112.889] on February 25, 2004 at 03:25:13:
Yes, underlying cause being a longer discussion, that I was not going to address because "massage" doesn't do anything about that and I didn't want to detract from the benefits of massage.
As for 95% of subluxations being the end result of "toxicity of the liver and intestines, along with severe dehydration" you'll have to expand on that. I'm not aware of the mechanisms regarding that which would only leave stress and trauma to the remaining 5%. Not that I don't think toxins lead to subluxations but rather that you seem pretty committed to that 95% and it's source so I'd like to hear more.
In Reply to: what are the supplements? - Re: Chiropracter question posted by ~CT [105.435] on February 25, 2004 at 06:44:09:
Hi CT!
Yep, still in the States till march 8...
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by Ricky DC [112.889] on February 25, 2004 at 03:25:13:
How does a DC address the toxin issue then? Do you put your patients on a program?
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by RickyD.C. [174.889] on February 24, 2004 at 07:36:58:
Thanks, Doc Ricky.
It took us about a year, in my holistic practice, to understand the need for elimiation of bracing to help the Chiropractic adjustments to "hold" much longer. Unfortunately I figured it out before my Chiropractor did. Once figured out, though, he was an enthusiastic participant.
I hope the Chiro schools are beginning to teach SR and biofeedback.
Keep up the good work!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by DrDave [1460.109] on February 24, 2004 at 12:53:34:
Thanks, DrDave.
See my response to DocRicky today.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by Michele [6.15] on February 25, 2004 at 07:46:56:
it depends on the willingness to undestand and cooperate....some folks are severely retarded, and they are uncapable to withdraw from the usual excitoxin-addicions (smoke, coffee, sweets, junk...) in that case I tell'em all they can hope for some brief symptomatic relief....
I then do kinesiology tests for food intolerances, and remove all the offenders for at least 3 months, while detoxing guts and liver, kidneys...
stress management gets addressed as well, it's up to them to exercise, do yoga, change mindset....I give out pointers, motivated folks will bait, others still fully entangled in the "big drama" will not. it's ok. pain and suffering is a therapy itself, but for the spirit.
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by DrDave [1553.109] on February 25, 2004 at 06:50:19:
massage does indeed a lot, mobilizing and loosening-up accumulated toxins in the tissues
I see stress=toxicity. stress is poison for the mind, fogs up soul aims and weakens the bodyshell.
only 5% of my practice is trauma, hence my math.
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by DrDave [1553.109] on February 25, 2004 at 06:50:19:
massage does indeed a lot, mobilizing and loosening-up accumulated toxins in the tissues
I see stress=toxicity. stress is poison for the mind, fogs up soul aims and weakens the bodyshell.
only 5% of my practice is trauma, hence my math.
If I were a team-chiropractor, the percentage would rise for sure....
In Reply to: Re: Chiropracter question posted by RickyDC [112.889] on February 25, 2004 at 10:18:30:
I see.
And your goal being to reduce the stress through various methods such as SR, Yoga, etc.. and correcting the more classical "toxic" concept through diet elimination?
In Reply to: Re: what are the supplements? - Re: Chiropracter question posted by thessa [1660.98] on February 25, 2004 at 07:04:07:
Well, hop in a buggy and take a cruise on down here!
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