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I have never posted here but my wife does occasionally. She also purchased your book Dr. Stoll, I read it and am impressed how well written and imformative it was. My question is: Doc Kim made a statement in an earlier posting about gallbladder. My wife read it, and is now in a state of painic. This is the statement that was made:
* Another way is to check for a 'hot" GB is to search for a point that is located on the right side of the chest between the middle of the sternum and the nipple. Rub around in that area and if you find a real tender spot, you probably have a "sick" GB. In fact, if you do find the spot and rub the heck out of it, you can ease the discomfort caused by the GB problem most of the time. *
She too suffers with costocondritis
In Reply to: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Anthony Slater on January 09, 2001 at 01:50:11:
Anthony...Im not in the medical field, but in my family is 2 doctors, one an emergency room doctor and an internal medicine doctor and also a surgical nurse, I called all 3, long distance, and felt I should try and help the way you described your wife being panicky I felt bad...
They have never heard of this sore area bewteen sternum and breast as a 'HOT' gallbladder spot. Actually the emergency room doc, (my nephew) laughed. Why are statement like that allowed on this board? I read that Doc Kim himself/herself stated he/she is NOT, I repeat is NOT a doctor. Why is someone thats imcompetent allowed to place fear in people like this?
In Reply to: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Anthony Slater on January 09, 2001 at 01:50:11:
I have to agree with you Anthony, too many 'regular' people on here trying to play 'doctor'. I am sorry your wife was upset over such foolish advice.
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by 'Skully' on January 09, 2001 at 02:26:26:
I must agree with the others I have never heard of this type of diagnosis.
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Melissa Pierce on January 09, 2001 at 02:24:59:
Hi everyone, let's be careful not to put out more misinformation and slander the good reputation of this wonderful, caring and competent man. Doc Kim is a doctor of chiropractic, and he legitimately uses the title of "doctor" on this board. Doc Kim, can you kindly point us to the link on Walt's board that shows others here your training?
I think there is misunderstanding here, perhaps a clearer description of where this pain would be located may be in order. When I read it, I interpreted the pain as being higher up than say where costo pain is (along the underwire area of the bra). Isn't the sternum higher than where the costo pain would be? On the same area in the back, the shoulder blade is higher than that area as well. I also wonder if it would be difficult to discern in someone with breasts...
You can find Doc Kim (Dr. Kim Shunkweiler) in the National Directory of Chiropractic on-line data base.
In Reply to: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Anthony Slater on January 09, 2001 at 01:50:11:
My purpose here is to share my training and EXPERIENCE in ALTERNATIVE health care. Many times the things I find and do are in conflict with traditional medical beliefs. If they weren't, they wouldn't be ALTERNATIVE!
Perhaps the problem is caused by terminology. When I refer to a "hot" GB, I am talking about a GB that is causing some problems with a patient. This could be referred, right sided, mid-thoracic pain; gas, heartburn, etc.
Many times I have had patients who check positive for a gallbladder via my testing, get a clean report from their MD. However, their problems continue until I put them on some formulas to support the GB. What this tells me is that the medical community is missing a great deal of GB problems due to the lack of sensitivity of their testing. There are many people whose problems are caused by sub-clinical GB disease.
That's the bad news. The good news is that it is easily corrected with exogenous bile salts and/or beet leaf concentrate. I had a patient in yesterday who had severe GB problems about a year and a half ago. The medics wanted to take his GB out. We put him on 2 tablets of AF Betafood from Standard Process with each meal and now he is fine. It took about a year, but, now he had a healthy Gallbladder.
Remember the purpose of this site is to combine the the best of alternative and traditional health care. I only share that which I see work in a clinical setting.
Doc Kim
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by kmd on January 09, 2001 at 08:37:19:
Hi Kathy,
Thanks for the kind words. I'll try and be a little more "pacific". The referred pain in the back would be to the left of the right scapula, between the scapula and the spine, approx. mid-scapula level.
The reflex point on the right is located approx 2 to 4 inches to the right of the middle of the sternum. When I say between the sternum and the nipple, that is where the nipple used to be, before breasts. When you find the spot, you will know it because it will be sore like a boil.
Doc Kim
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Melissa Pierce on January 09, 2001 at 02:24:59:
Costo can affect the whole chest area. My father has suffered from it for years. Twice thinking he was having a heart attack. It can effect your sternum and wrap around to your back. Pleurisy can also be felt in your shoulder blades.
In Reply to: People! posted by Doc Kim on January 09, 2001 at 08:57:08:
Hi! I learn so much from your replies and you've helped so many people. Thanks for contributing -- and I do hope you'll continue to.
June
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Glenda Lyn Baskins RN on January 09, 2001 at 02:48:11:
The absence of evidence......is not evidence of absence.
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Doc Kim on January 09, 2001 at 09:19:05:
Dr. Kim I for one is one of the people that had gallbladder trouble and 2 years before I had it taken out which I regret now, I had this hot spot you are talking about. I asked two doc's that I went to about it several times because it hurt like hell, and they told me it had nothing to do with the gallbladder. After it was removed this hot spot went away and I again asked about it if that could have been caused by my gallbladder and I was told "no that the human body is a funny thing" what ever that means. So from a person who has actually experienced this I say you were dead right on with your definition. Keep up the good work, one day some of these critics lights will come on.
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Dave on January 09, 2001 at 19:06:27:
Thanks for sharing that, Dave.
I see this so often that i am really surprised that the medical community does not recognize it.
Doc Kim
In Reply to: People! posted by Doc Kim on January 09, 2001 at 08:57:08:
What does this mean?? sub-clinical GB disease.
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Dave on January 09, 2001 at 19:06:27:
So from a person who has actually experienced this I say you were dead right on with your definition. Keep up the good work, one day some of these critics lights
In Reply to: Re: People! posted by Laura on January 09, 2001 at 20:31:23:
This is my term for a GB problem that hovers under the radar of medical attempts to diagnose it. It is causing the patient some problems but the medical tests come back negative. Perhaps a better term should be "sub-testicle" Doc Kim
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Doc Kim on January 09, 2001 at 09:19:05:
The reflex point on the right is located approx 2 to 4 inches to the right of the middle of the sternum. When I say between the sternum and the nipple, that is where the nipple used to be, before breasts. When you find the spot, you will know it because it will be sore like a boil.
I too have tender spot there when pressed on. Would this definately mean gallbladder problems? I for another have dealt with costochondritis for 3 years, with pain and tender spot all over my right fron, side and back. My tender spot you mention here is...if you go from mid chest over an inch and a half(like just where the breast starts) thats where my soreness is. And this area has been a sore area since I was initially diagnosed with costochondritis. So if you look down at your breast (I know you're a guy but be a woman for a second if you would LOL ) and have the top be 12 noon, the left side 9 o'clock and the right side 3 o'clock as your looking down. Still with me????? Ok, as your looking down at your female breast size 36C, my pain it exactly at 10 o'clock. (Breasts are fimr nor droopy). LOL Would this be the point or not? Ive had no other symptoms kust the usual costo pain of jabs and intermittent aches all over the right side of the rib cage. Couldnt a tnder spot of costo be located all around that breast area where it meets the sternum? Ok Doc Kim, you can go back to being the handsome man that you are, and a BIG thank you for all your advice on this board. Bonnie
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Doc Kim on January 09, 2001 at 19:40:00:
In Reply to: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by an innocent bystander on January 09, 2001 at 21:23:46:
How old IS Dr Stoll TODAY?
In Reply to: Doc Kim please, I need your advice.. posted by Bonnie Streeter on January 09, 2001 at 21:16:26:
Well, that was kinda fun! Actually, just having a tender spot there does not necessarily mean a GB problem. You should correlate that with other symptoms such as gas, bloating, heartburn, right upper quadrant pain, etc. etc.
I also use muscle testing to check the GB reflex but, this takes some training to use. So, don't automatically assume that if you have one indicator that you have a GB problem.
Let's see, firm not droopy...................
In Reply to: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by an innocent bystander on January 09, 2001 at 21:23:46:
You might read the reason for Dr Stoll losing his license. However, I seriously doubt you will.
In Reply to: Re: People! posted by Doc Kim on January 09, 2001 at 20:56:25:
an imbalance?
In Reply to: Re: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Gene Paulette and Andie on January 09, 2001 at 20:41:17:
Gene Paulette and Andie, Nope, no free work, do not know the person, never met them. This is a share your experience board. Do not be afraid to learn something new. You may have found your source now for a real enlightning. "The human body is a funny thing" MD quote. Good luck
In Reply to: Re: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by Gregory on January 09, 2001 at 21:25:04:
Experience...
In Reply to: Re: --My Dear Not All Medical Professionals Are Put Down! posted by -- on January 09, 2001 at 22:39:31:
The MAJORITY of medical professionals ARE put down on this list, and I asked 6 close friends of mine athat are in the medical profession throughout the country and NONE of them know of no MD whose license was revoked. And if Dr Stoll treated the majority of his patients with rolfing and SR, then he shouldnt have been practicing. Im not saying those 2 things DON'T work, but their not a cure-all.
In Reply to: Re: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by Vince F on January 10, 2001 at 01:51:23:
Experience...
Your kidding...right? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
In Reply to: Re: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by Glenna on January 10, 2001 at 02:53:06:
NO !!!
If someone puts down the med profession or Dr's WHY in the VF
In Reply to: Re: --My Dear Not All Medical Professionals Are Put Down! posted by innocent bystander on January 10, 2001 at 02:51:59:
I've been a victim of many of these medical prfessionals and have friends and family who are victims as well. Wake up and smell the coffee.
In Reply to: Re: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by Gregory on January 09, 2001 at 21:25:04:
Hi,
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I read this board in order to explore all options. I had chronic heartburn for about three years(i still have bouts of it but I'd say I'm 90% better.)For about 2.5 years I went to the conventional MDs and took the prescriptions they gave me. None of them helped. So not only was I not getting better but I ws feeling really down about the whole thing. IF I had a question or concern I'd call my doc and it would take him a week to get back to me. And on visits they were always rushing through things so quickly I always felt like they were trying to get me out the door. So I finally decided that I would start looking at other options. That's what this board is, one of many other options, and I've learned alot from this board. Please give us all some credit. It's not like I hear something on this board and accept as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I research things that I think may or may not help me and then I make an educated decision. I suspect other board readers do the same. When all is said and done, I have seen many more results persoanlly from treatments suggested on this board(sr, ginger juice,diet, etc.) than from any of the prescriptions conventional MDs have given me. So please keep in mind that many of us have had numerous experiences with conventional MDs, but our conditions were not helped, so we had no choice but to look for other options. If you ever come down with a condition or disease(which of course I don't wish on anyone) that doesn't respond to conventional treatment, I would be interested to see what you would do. Finally I want to thank Dr. Stoll and Dr. Kim and all other contributors to this board for helping me improve my condition.
In Reply to: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by an innocent bystander on January 09, 2001 at 21:23:46:
Dr. Stoll does not hesitate to recommend patients visiting a physician in cases medical treatment is clearly indicated. So many of us have been blown off by doctors handing out a little paper prescribing a drug that may or may not help and will probably have more side-effects than the problem. I've had doctors who helped me and so have others. Dr. Stoll enthusiastically endorses some of the doctors he's familiar with for those writing for advice. Many doctors are ruled by managed care, letting themselves be bullied into practicing medicine as an outsider who hasn't seen the patient sees fiscally fit. This is wrong. Most physicians don't know much about nutrition because its not taught. Much the same is the apparent lack of knowledge about the effects of stress - you'll have to go to the homepage to read about what stress really means because I doubt you get it. If you don't appreciate the experienced advice, the accumulalted knowledge and the great deal of caring that this board is about I suggest you see your doctor and walk out of his/her office with your little prescription. If, on the other hand, you want to learn how to be well, spend some time reading here because there is a wealth of enormously useful information here.
In Reply to: Re: --My Dear Not All Medical Professionals Are Put Down! posted by -- on January 10, 2001 at 08:48:57:
Bystander is not looking in the right area for license rejected docs, I know of three in the last ten years within 50 miles of where I live and My daughter in law who is a RN told me last nite 2 more are in serious trouble. You are absolutely right it is not admitted to.
In Reply to: Re: WHY IS THE MEDICAL PROFESSION ALWAYS PUT DOWN ON THIS BOARD? WHY IS IT THAT THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF AN EX-PHYSICIAN WHOSE LICENSE WAS TAKEN AWAY, MUCH BETTER THAN THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL OF TODAY? I JUST DONT GET IT. posted by Frank on January 10, 2001 at 10:07:30:
hey, doc. I have to take salt tablets every 15 min to hey Doc, my lungs were burned by fumes and I am having Next installement of Vince F Trying to get cured coming
In Reply to: Re: --My Dear Not All Medical Professionals Are Put Down! posted by innocent bystander on January 10, 2001 at 02:51:59:
The truth is a good percentage of doctors today are extremely cavalier about treating their patients. You can learn much from this board; and DR. Stoll, I have witnessed on many occasions, has recommended "Go see your doctor immediately".
This is a board that helps people daily, myself included. Really, it does. On the average, I bet most people are unhappy with the way they are treated by their doctors. I know three people who have been misdiagnosed in this year and one with DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES. It really is very helpful. But, I can also understand how you would be upset with someone making a diagnosis who is not a doctor.
Just remember there are good things about this site that can be extremely helpful.
In Reply to: Doctor Stoll, is Doc Kim right or wrong, your opinion please. posted by Anthony Slater on January 09, 2001 at 01:50:11:
Hi, Anthony.
Doc Kim is the expert in acupuncture points since MY medical school refused to even think of them as anything but quackery. Of course, they are now changing their tune but are still 40 years behind the other practitioners in this country (like Chiropractors).
I have watched the Chiropractor, who worked in my office for so many years, resolve my patient's symptoms like this when there was nothing I could offer them from a conventional approach. It also gave them something they could do to help themselves.
SO, although in my experience, most of these kinds of symptoms were costochondritis, I had to stand by in amazement when the Chiropractor relieved their symptoms with what looked to me like "magic".
You would be wise to take Doc Kim seriously!
Hope this helps.
Walt
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People!
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Re: never heard of this type of diagnosis
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Posted by Gene Paulette and Andie on January 09, 2001 at 20:41:17:
Gee how amazing YOU had that spot and the od doc turned out to be right, how fortunate you came to the rescue of Doc Kims credibility! Do you get free chiropractic work for this?
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Posted by Doc Kim on January 09, 2001 at 20:56:25:
Naw, that won't work. I'll stick with sub-clinical.
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Doc Kim please, I need your advice..
Posted by Bonnie Streeter on January 09, 2001 at 21:16:26:
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Posted by -- on January 09, 2001 at 22:39:31:
If perhaps you would take the time to read the archives, you would learn for yourself not all medical professionals are put down. Just because they might have a license now, doesn't mean they'll have it in the near future.
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Posted by Vince F on January 10, 2001 at 01:51:23:
VF
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Posted by Vince F on January 10, 2001 at 03:40:00:
world would they do it. GOOD Experiences, Results ?? Why
am I explaining this ??? Sorry. It's late and I bit...L O L
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Posted by -- on January 10, 2001 at 08:48:57:
You said it when you asked six people in the medical profession. Do you think they'll admit to anything? You're obviously in the medical profession and defending the negligent medical professionals.
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Posted by Frank on January 10, 2001 at 10:07:30:
Thanks,
frank
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Posted by Vince F on January 10, 2001 at 15:21:47:
function in the heat. Well, Vince. if it Works then Do it.
But Doc. Something Must be wrong. Vince just keep doing it.
trouble breathing and can't see in front of me and when I
eat any acid foods my whole body tingles. I'll send you for
a pulminary function test and CBC. Vince the results were
normal so I don't know what to tell you. Doc isn't there
someone to see when being exposed to chemical fumes that
messed me up ?? Vince, I don't know what to tell you.
tomorrow. It may take a few years to tell the whole story
at this rate.
VF
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