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Cliff's holistic health papers 12D and 13D

Posted by
Cliff Garner on June 12, 2000 at 10:11:32:

Hi,
Dr. Stoll has suggested I post each week 2 of my holistic health papers. This week (posted
below): Paper 12D, Chiropractic and osteopathy; Paper 13D, Miscellaneous health items
(“Smorg-2").
Cliff

Health Musings (Paper 12D, Chiropractic, osteopathy)

by Clifford S. Garner, Ph.D.

From time to time we will discuss various systems of healing. The orthodox allopathic
medical system used in the USA is slowly dying, as more and more people turn from its
authoritarian “cut-burn-poison” approach of symptom treatment and its lack of meaningful
preventive measures. Of course we exclude the good work done by a small minority of holistic
MDs who use prevention, nutrition, emotional help and other aspects of alternative healing.
There will presumably continue to be a need for some surgery and drugs for “crisis” treatment,
such as car accident injuries, heart attacks, etc., until such times when prevention is practiced and
our spiritual evolution opens us fully to spiritual healing, at which time the alternative healing
systems we will be presenting will also no longer be needed.
We have discussed the use of light and color and flower essences and aromatherapy in earlier
papers (8D and 11D). We turn now to more "orthodox" systems of alternative health care,
beginning with chiropractic, the most utilized healing system in the Western world after orthodox
allopathic medicine. Each year more than 15 million people in the USA go to chiropractic
physicians for a more natural, drug-free treatment of such conditions as back aches, injuries
(sprains, strains, whiplash, etc.), and some internal body disorders, although a skilled chiropractor
will address many other health problems.

Apparently, spinal adjustment has been used in every civilization at least from the early
Egyptians on. Chiropractic (the word is derived from the Latin for "done by hand") in its
modern-day form was seemingly discovered by Daniel David Palmer of Davenport, Iowa, in 1895.
He had been a student of anatomy and physiology for some time, and came to the conclusion that
the nervous system was the physical source of healing in the body. Dr. Palmer's "aha" insight
came to him when he worked with a janitor, Harvey Lillard, who had become deaf after bending
over and hearing a popping sound in his back. After 17 years of deafness, Lillard encountered Dr.
Palmer, who examined his spine, found a misaligned vertebra where Lillard had heard the popping
sound, and thrust the vertebra back in place with his hands, instantly restoring Lillard's hearing.
Dr. Palmer then founded a school of chiropractic, and trained the first of many chiropractic
doctors (D.C. is the chiropractic degree designation). His son, B. J. Palmer, and the son's wife,
Mabel Heath Palmer (the first female D.C.), continued the school and developed research to
prove D. D. Palmer's theory of chiropractic.

Chiropractic attracted so many followers that the American Medical Association (AMA)
turned its considerable political clout to have chiropractors jailed for practicing medicine without
a license, and chiropractic began to fall into public disfavor. In this same time frame (early 1900s)
osteopathy, a related healing system (see below), was absorbed into the medical regime under the
threat of "joining or becoming extinct"-- to this day most osteopaths (D.O.s) regretably do little
or no musculoskeletal manipulation and have become MD-like "pill-pushers." Several years ago
the chiropractic profession won an 11-year suit that they had brought against the AMA for
defamation and attempts to exclude chiropractors from attending to their patients who were in
hospitals. Chiropractic is once again in the forefront of natural non-drug healing. Parenthetically,
my own decades-long low-back pain was always alleviated best by the 15 or so DCs I've
frequently consulted. Since my introduction to the Touch for Health system of kinesiology and
self-healing in 1980 I know how to help myself healthwise and rarely have had to go to a DC or
other health practitioner since then.
As suggested above, chiropractic concerns itself with the relationships of the spinal column
and other musculoskeletal structures of the body, including pelvic, hip, knee, ankle, shoulder,
elbow, wrist, and finger and toe joints, cranial bones, and temporomandibular joint (TMJ), to the
nervous system. There are 24 spinal vertebrae (normally 7 cervical vertebrae in the neck, 12
dorsal or thoracic vertebrae in the upper and mid back, and 5 lumbar vertebrae in the lower back)
in addition to the partly fused bones of the sacrum and coccyx. Between each pair of vertebrae
pairs of spinal nerves exit and reach to every part of the body, muscles, bones, organs, and glands,
such that interference from nerve energy flow arising from misalignment of spinal vertebrae
(called "subluxations" by DCs) can impact on all these parts of the body. This is why chiropractic
can successfully address many body dysfunctions other than purely mechanical musculoskeletal
ones. Nicolai Lennox, DC, has written a book, "Chiropractic Nutrition, A Vertebra by Vertebra
Approach," which I have found helpful when clients experience persistent subluxations of specific
vertebrae.
Chiropractors fall into two broad groups, the "straights," who deal only with locating and
removing subluxations, and the "mixers," who add other modalities, such as the use of ultrasound,
galvanic stimulation, shortwave and microwave radiation, etc. Some also use nutrition. Some are
trained in Contact Reflex Analysis (CRA) and a small minority in the special techniques of
Michael Lebowitz, DC. Adjustments may be done with thrusts of the hands, or by “non-force”
techniques such as gentle touch and/or stretch along the spine, pelvis or skull; sometimes a hand-
held spring-loaded device called an activator is used to move bones gently. There are a few rare
DCs I've encountered who adjust via psychokinesis. Some DCs use applied kinesiology, not only
to discover what needs help and in what direction to move a bone or displaced organ, etc., but
also to remove the dysfunction by special techniques such as correcting gait reflexes, centering
circuits, origin-insertion muscle manipulation, etc., forms of which, by the way, are part of the
Touch for Health system mentioned above.
Although I know some chiropractic manipulations, I am not licensed to use them. Instead I
may teach the client techniques for self-use, such as rubbing neurolymphatic reflexes, holding
neurovascular reflexes, using "exercises" such as those described in my paper 4D. Or I may use a
pair of flat magnets the north-seeking poles of which are held for a short time on either side of the
spinal column at the area of interest, etc. If vertebrae or joints "circuit-localize" in a kinesiology
test on contacting the vertebra or joint with the north-seeking pole of a diagnostic magnet, they
will usually correct on lasering four "master set points" with a low power 670-nm laser, a
technique I often use. For cranial subluxations (or “faults,” as DCs call them) I may teach the
client "paper-bag breathing." For pelvic faults I show the client how to block themselves with
rolled-up towels correctly placed under the pelvis. Adjustments of subluxations, etc, may not
hold for a variety of reasons, including not addressing dysbiosis, food allergies, and nutrient
deficiencies, impaired gait reflexes (acupuncture points on the feet which relate to coordination of
muscles in walking), weak muscles affecting the subluxation, and self-sabotage issues.
Incidentally, MRIs, CAT scans, and myelograms, used by MDs, are notoriously inaccurate at
diagnosing back problems, leading to numerous unnecessary back operations that often leave
patients with far greater pain.
Some good self-help books include John F. Thie, DC, “Touch for Health,” Marina del Rey,
CA, 1973 (and later revised editions), John Barton, "Be Your Own Chiropractor,"
Biokinesiology Institute, Shady Cove, OR, 1979, and Karl V. Holmquist, DC, "Home
Chiropractic Handbook," One 8 Inc., Forks, WA, 1985. Dr. Holmquist has a videotape that goes
along with his book. Judy Levin has two videotapes that go along with Dr. Thie's book, which
are available through the Touch for Health Kinesiology Association of North America, PO Box
392, New Carlisle, OH 45344, tel (800) 466-8342, website www.tfh.org.
The DC degree requires two years of pre-professional college education in biological sciences
plus four years of in-resident training at a chiropractic college; the degree is licensed in all 50
states and the District of Columbia, and treatment is widely covered by private and union
health insurance, and minimally by Medicare. There are about 55,000 DCs in the USA. For
more information contact the American Chiropractic Association, Arlington, VA, 703-276-8800.
In New Mexico, the Chiropractic Referral Service of New Mexico is helpful at l-800-320-0336.
We turn now to the related field of osteopathy. Osteopathy began in the USA with the work of
Andrew Taylor Still, a registered physician, who founded the first osteopathic school in 1892. He
was especially concerned with the epidemic diseases of the late 19th century and the severe side
effects of the drugs used then (and now) for such problems. Like chiropractic, osteopathy
addresses musculoskeletal conditions, using joint manipulation, physical therapy, postural re-
education, etc. In addition, soft tissue manipulation is used, as well as placing the patient in
specific positions to relax and release muscle spasms. Cranial manipulation done by a good
osteopath is very gentle and subtle, and I usually prefer it to most chiropractic cranial techniques
when I need such professional help.

Osteopathic training in the USA uses a blend of conventional medical, surgical, and obstetric
practices with osteopathic manipulations in a four-year osteopathic college plus residency and
internship comparable to that for a medical doctor. There are about 40,000 DOs in the USA,
licensed in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Most DOs function much like an MD, often
"pill-pushing" for the most part, but there is a minority that focus on osteopathy itself. Health
insurance covers treatment by a DO whenever MD treatment is covered. For more information
contact the American Academy of Osteopathy, Indianapolis, Indiana, 327-879-1881.

DISCLAIMER:
Information and procedures described in this and other “Health Musings” are reported
solely for educational purposes. The author is not directly or indirectly dispensing medical advice.
Although the author believes this information and these procedures to be valuable, persons using
them do so entirely at their own risk.

Cliff Garner, Ph.D., is a holistic health facilitator and a professional kinesiology practitioner.
He may be reached by telephone or fax at (505) 525-1089 or by e-mail at kosmik@totacc.com.


Health Musings (Paper 13D, Miscellaneous health items)


by Clifford S. Garner, Ph.D.


Step right up to the buffet folks! In this paper we offer a smörgasbord of hors d'oeuvres and
tidbits of health information. Enjoy!
Presumably many readers are familiar with the concept that our mind and our persistent
attitude and thoughts control our health status. We begin with some evidence regarding the
efficacy of prayer in healing.
Ten years ago Dr. Raymond Byrd, a cardiologist at the San Francisco General Hospital,
randomly assigned half his 393 patients in his cardiac care unit to be prayed for by a number of
religious groups, the other half were to receive no prayer. Neither the patients, doctors, nor staff
knew which patients were in which group (I don't think anything is ever “random," or that
“double-blind" experiments are what they are generally perceived to be: our unconscious minds
share the one Universal Mind and are always in communication; despite this, the research is
meaningful). Over the 10-month experiment period, fewer patients in the prayed-for group died,
and there were significantly fewer complications. E.g., the prayed-for group were 5 times less
likely to “need" antibiotics, 3 times less likely to develop pulmonary edema, and none needed to
be put on ventilators to help them breathe, in contrast to the other group, where 12 had to be put
on ventilators. There have been many other studies of this nature, with similar results. Also,
studies have shown that human red blood cells in vitro, bacteria and fungi, and germinating seeds
are positively affected by prayer.
It is obviously more difficult to design research on self-prayer in healing, but there are
numerous studies indicating that persons with a strong belief in a Power greater than themselves
get sick less frequently and recover faster from illnesses and injuries than persons without such a
belief. The act of praying itself appears to have major physical and emotional benefits in self-
prayer, despite the form of the prayer, although the pleading "'give me" or "do this" type of more
conventional prayer may be less effective than the "thank you for this (greater wellness, more
abundance,....)" form of prayer advocated by such groups as Religious Science, Unity, and many
metaphysical groups.
People who have had "near death experiences" often have had major changes in attitude,
accompanied by substantial improvements in health. Although not self-prayer, such an
experience does tend to leave the person with an absolute conviction of this greater Power.
A good book for those who want more information on the effects of prayer and spirituality in
healing is Larry Dossey, MD,, "Healing Words: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of
Medicine," Harper, San Francisco, 1993. Dr. Dossey was a religious skeptic until he carried out
research in this field.
We turn now to a few of many home remedies for "quick fixes."
One of the better home remedies for infection prevention in cuts and wounds is to dab some
raw honey or even sugar onto the area (I carry packets of honey in my car in case of accidents).
Applying the inner skin of a freshly peeled banana to minor bruises, scrapes and scratches of the
skin affords almost instant relief from pain and stinging sensations. Or, a thin slice of raw potato
held or bandaged onto the area will also help. There are many home remedies for insect bites and
stings. Softly wash the area with unscented soap and cold water (don't scratch, which would
spread toxins), then apply a paste of baking soda and water, or a paste of meat tenderizer and
water, or a small amount of mashed papaya. For spider bites, apply mashed white onion. For
jellyfish stings, don't wash the area. but instead soak it in vinegar for 5-10 minutes, then cover
with a paste of one part salt and four parts wheat flour. For mild sunburn, grated raw potato
applied directly to the area eases pain and helps prevent blistering, or spread raw honey over the
area (watch out for any nearby cannibals!), or apply for 15-30 minutes a cloth compress soaked in
cool strongly brewed black or green tea, or soak for 15-30 minutes in a tub of tepid water in
which a pound of baking soda has been dissolved; a day later soak in a tub of tepid water to which
two cups of milk have been added (milk protein softens and moisturizes dry and damaged skin, as
Cleopatra allegedly knew).
Some helpful books on home remedies include Sid Kirchheimer, "The Doctor's Book of
Home Remedies," Rodale Press, Pennsylvania, 1993, and Glenn W. Geelhoed, MD,
Robert D. Willix, Jr., MD, and Jean Barilla, MS, "Natural Health Secrets from Around the
World," Shot Tower Books, Florida, 1994.
We turn next to brassieres. Are you aware of the fact that women who do not wear a bra are
22 times less likely to get breast cancer than bra wearers? Some women have experienced the
disappearance of neck and shoulder pain when they stopped wearing bras. Even lumps in the
breast have sometimes vanished after stopping bra use. Some breast lumps and congestions arise
from insufficient blood and lymph flow in the breasts and armpits and/or from blocked milk ducts
(whether lactating or not),both of which are favored by bra wearing. In PKP Kinesiology, in
which I am certified, there is a breast lymph release procedure which I teach the client to use at
home which is wonderful for relief of congested breasts, including those with painful knotty areas
or for their prevention. Dr. David Williams in the October, 1997 issue of his “Alternatives"
newsletter has a 2-page discussion of breast cancer prevention, including his specialized lymph
massage self-treatment (if you are interested you can order this issue or subscribe by calling l-800-
527-3044). Incidentally, he quotes a further study by Sidney Singer of two groups of Fiji women
with the same diet, environment and lifestyle, half of whom wore bras and the other half not.
Those wearing bras had the same rate of breast cancer as women living in the USA, whereas the
braless Fiji women had practically no breast cancer. The weight of braless breasts causes the
breasts to swing and bob naturally as the person moves, which pumps the lymphatic tissue.
Rebounding on a trampoline is good for breast lymph release, although not as good as the breast
lymph release procedures mentioned above. As a woman, if you feel you must wear a bra,
consider wearing it as little as possible, and use a bra that allows some breast motion, without
cutting tightly under and along the outer edges of the breasts where the milk ducts are located.
Yes, the hippy girls of the 1960s had the right idea when they burned their bras!
Although I think it's a little sad that so many small-breasted women spend so much time and
money trying everything from massage to breast implants to increase the size of their breasts,
when medical astrology suggests, just as we choose the stars under which to be born, we choose
the general characteristics and proportion of our physical body before embodiment. However, I
suppose I should mention while on the subject of breasts, that research at the University of
Houston and elsewhere has definitely shown that women can use visualization and relaxation
techniques to add two inches and a full cup size to their breasts.
Incidentally, routine mammograms on women in their 40s produce false positive results in
over a third of the tests, usually leading to anxiety, unnecessary biopsies, scarring and distortions
of the breasts, further impeding the accuracy of later tests. Also, 25% of malignant tumors in
women in their 40s and 10% in older women are missed. A recent Australian study revealed that
more than half of breast cancers in younger women are not detected by mammograms. Actually,
98% of women in their 40s apparently get no benefit from mammograms, and the other 2% have
their lives extended statistically by only 200 days on the average. If women start getting regular
mammograms at age 40 more cancers will be found because more cancers will be induced by the
resulting X-radiation to radiation-sensitive breast tissue. Between 50 and 60% of breast cancers
are discovered by women themselves, either by accident or through regular self-examination. An
inventor, Earl Wright, has developed a $20 device, the "Sensor Pad," available in Canada, most
European countries and parts of Asia, which makes it far easier for women to detect changes in
breast tissue on self-examination. Your friendly FDA has kept it off the market in the USA (you
get only one guess why). Recently the FDA has allowed the "Sensor Pad" to be available by
prescription (contact Inventive Products at l-800-356-69l1 for more information or to find a
doctor in your area who is willing to prescribe one for you).
Another tidbit. Aside from other risks to the fetus of mothers who smoke during pregnancy,
the risk of the child developing so-called "attention deficit disorder, ADD" is tripled on average.
Two nutrients that would probably benefit most people arc lecithin and flax oil.
Lecithin, a phospholipid, is produced in the liver if it is healthy and the diet is adequate.
Every cell in the human body requires it; cell membranes are largely made of lecithin and regulate
which nutrients may enter or leave the cell. Protective sheathes surrounding the brain are made of
lecithin. Lecithin itself is made up mainly from B vitamins, choline, inositol, and phosphoric acid,
with some linoleic acid. Although lecithin is a fatty substance, its presence in human, animal, and
plant cells allows essential fats and fat-soluble nutrients to emulsify with the water-base
composition of cells. Apparently there are only two foods that provide liberal amounts of lecithin:
eggs and soybeans. Egg yolks are especially rich in lecithin and actually reduce blood cholesterol
levels, despite the admonitions of many orthodox MDs to avoid eating eggs "because eggs foster
high cholesterol levels." Many holistic MDs are aware that the current cholesterol scare is a
profitable medical scam (see our paper 14D). For people following Dr. Peter D'Adamo's findings
about blood types and blood-cell-agglutinating lectins in various foods, both egg and soybeans are
OK for all four blood types 0, A, B, and AB; however, egg is a common allergen and the other
benefits of soy appear to have been grossly exaggerated. Supplementation with lecithin has been
found beneficial in many ways, including enhancement of metabolism and immune function.
Arthrosclerosis (stiffening or hardening of joints) may be prevented or helped with lecithin–One
study of 900 men (why are women left out of so many medical studies?) showed no
arthrosclerosis if blood levels of lecithin were greater than 36%, whereas lower levels were
associated with evidence of arthrosclerosis. Lecithin also improves brain chemical activity,
including recovery of memory loss in both the aged and those in their 30s beginning to experience
memory problems. Lecithin also improves balance,. movement, and speech, helps reduce muscle
weakness, anemia, excess bleeding, multiple sclerosis symptoms, and drops the level of excessive
triglycerides in the blood, as well as “bad" low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, while
raising levels of "good” high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. Lecithin also increases blood
serum choline levels, thus helping overcome motor problems, such as Tourette syndrome and
Huntington's disease. There is a lot of "junk" lecithin on the market. Although I don't care for
most of the supplements sold by Bronson Pharmaceuticals (1-800-235-3200), their lecithin
granules (item no.80) I find very good and use it myself daily–one tablespoon a day is a suggested
amount.
Flax oil is a wonderful source of essential fatty acids (EFAs), especially of omega 3 EFAs so
deficient in USA diets. These are precursors for hormone-like prostaglandins. Flax oil has been
shown to aid in prevention of cardiac arrhythmias, to reduce gut inflammation, thus helping
resolve colitis and other bowel inflammatory conditions, and to help establish and maintain proper
brain function. One to two tablespoons a day of a good certified organic raw flax oil will
probably help almost anyone and is OK for any of the four blood types according to Dr. Peter
D'Adamo's findings. My preference is Barlean’s Lignan Rich Flax Oil, which has been used
together with low-fat cottage cheese by Dr. Johanna Budwig in Germany in her successful
treatment of cancers. Dr. D’Adamo favors a daily “Membrane Fluidizing Cocktail," especially
beneficial for blood type B (and acceptable to the other blood types), consisting of one tablespoon
each of lecithin granules and flax oil in 6 to 8 ounces of a fruit juice compatible with the blood
type (almost all fruits for type B), shaken but not stirred (OK, I hear you, 007!).
Your physical body is truly amazing ! One square inch of your skin has three yards of blood
vessels, four yards of nerve fibers, one hundred sweat glands, and three million cells, of which
thirteen hundred are nerve cells. Nerve signals travel at up to 250 miles per hour. While you are
reading this sentence, fifty million of your body cells have died and been replaced by new ones .
And yet when you look at your image in your mirror in the morning you recognize yourself,
thanks to your etheric body, which has acted as a template.
We conclude with a few statistics from 1993 data from medical drug use; I would guess more
recent statistics are even worse. Each year for people in the USA over age 50 there were
approximately 61,000 cases of prescription drug-induced Parkinson's disease, 32,000 hip
fractures from drug-induced falls, 163,000 cases of drug-induced impaired thinking or memory
loss, 200,000 cases of drug-induced fainting or dizziness, 243,000 hospitalizations from
prescription drug reactions, and 130,000 deaths from medically-prescribed drugs. These are just
the people over age 50, and the number unreported or uninvestigated is probably much higher.
Many MDs misinterpret adverse reactions from prescription drugs as a new illness, leading to
prescribing still another drug, rather than adjusting the dose or stopping use of the drug that
caused the problem. There are some 250 prescription drugs that should not be used by the elderly.
Just 20 of these account for over 80 million prescriptions purchased in one year by older adults at
a cost of over one billion dollars; according to a list I've seen they are: Valium, Dalmane, Halcion,
Restoril, Ativan, Xanox, Elavil, Darvocet, Indocin, Feldene, Persontine, Aldomet, Dyrenium,
Catapres, Bentyl,,Donmatal, Librax, Darvon, Lomatil, and Tigan.
Sorry, we're out of dessert!

DISCLAIMER:
Information and procedures described in this and other “Health Musings” are reported
solely for educational purposes. The author is not directly or indirectly dispensing medical advice.
Although the author believes this information and these procedures to be valuable, persons using
them do so entirely at their own risk.

Cliff Garner, Ph.D., is a holistic health facilitator and a professional kinesiology practitioner. He
may be reached by telephone or fax at (505) 525-1089 or by e-mail at kosmik@totacc.com.




Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - PMS and the Underwire Bra

Posted by
Dr. Kim on June 12, 2000 at 11:32:38:

In Reply to: Cliff's holistic health papers 12D and 13D posted by Cliff Garner on June 12, 2000 at 10:11:32:

Hi Cliff

I enjoy reading your health musings, Keep them coming.

In the Chiropractic technique that I do-N.O.T., we have a specific protocol in dealing with endocrine system imbalances. The kinesiological test for indicating an imbalance is to check the left Pec major sternal while contacting the neurolymphatic reflex inferior to the right breast. For years I have been warning my female patients about the dangers of wearing and underwire bra because the wire lies directly over this reflex. Many have noted an improvement in their conditions such as PMS and other endocrine problems when they change to a non-underwire bra coupled with my balancing protocol.

I have had little success in getting patients to eliminate the bra entirely (except for a few guys, but, that's a different story). I'd appreciate your imput on the wire vs underwire concept.

Namaste'

Dr. Kim



I could never shed my underwire bra!

Posted by KMD on June 12, 2000 at 12:05:24:

In Reply to: Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - PMS and the Underwire Bra posted by Dr. Kim on June 12, 2000 at 11:32:38:

It is the ONLY type of bra that makes me feel comfortable and gives me the support I need. I'm a small-framed lady with larger than average breasts. They are fibrocystic, and very painful every month. If I so much as sleep one night without my underwire bra (I wear this constantly, I never take it off at bed), my pain intensifies to the point of debilitation. I know, I try it now and then and I regret it every time.

Now resolving the fibrocystic problem is another story, and I'm working on that!! :o)



Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - Now Why Would You Do That DR Kim?

Posted by Paulette on June 12, 2000 at 12:31:21:

In Reply to: Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - PMS and the Underwire Bra posted by Dr. Kim on June 12, 2000 at 11:32:38:


DR Kim,

Surprised you would want your patients to give up their underwire bras. There comes time in some women lives where they're over weight. Due to the age thing, certain things start to "Droop."

Think about being a woman instead before you suggest a woman give up her underwire BRA.:-) LOL

Take Care Of Yourself

Paulette




Have you tried a sports bra???

Posted by
trish on June 12, 2000 at 15:28:37:

In Reply to: I could never shed my underwire bra! posted by KMD on June 12, 2000 at 12:05:24:

KMD,

I feel for you to have to wear an undewire all the time. I have a couple of friends who are larger breasted and wear their bras to bed too...I thankfully don't have that problem.

I was wondering if a sports type bra would still help you without the discomfort of the underwire...they do offer a lot of compression, but are usually stretchy all over instead of having that wire thing digging into your ribs. It's so hard to find a regular bra that is comfortable...I do wear underwire, but am always on the lookout for the less intrusive type!

Take care,
trish



Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - An Interesting Book

Posted by
Leanne on June 12, 2000 at 15:56:51:

In Reply to: Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - PMS and the Underwire Bra posted by Dr. Kim on June 12, 2000 at 11:32:38:

Dr. Kim,

There is an interesting book my husband had my daughter & I read entitled DRESSED TO KILL. (I don't remember the author.) His main point is that underwire and tight-fitting bras are a cause of cancer due to their restriction of the lymphatic system.

Cliff, in his above musings, said a lot of the same things that are in the book. The book of course goes into more detail and changed our thinking and practices.

I thought you might like to know of it and see if it is something you want to recommend to your patients.

Leanne



Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - An Interesting Book

Posted by
Dr. Kim on June 12, 2000 at 16:25:11:

In Reply to: Re: Cliff's holistic health papers - An Interesting Book posted by Leanne on June 12, 2000 at 15:56:51:

Hi Leanne,

I do remember this book from a few years ago,thanks for remining me. I have been dealing with this concept for over 12 years. I have no proof of the connection between bra selection and health problems, but, enough patients have noted improvement that there must be something to it.

Thanks again,

Dr. Kim



OK, Paulette and KMD. Far be it for me to take away your major means of support! ;-) (NM)

Posted by Dr. Kim on June 12, 2000 at 16:43:00:

In Reply to: I could never shed my underwire bra! posted by KMD on June 12, 2000 at 12:05:24:

x



Re: Have you tried a sports bra???

Posted by Nathalie on June 12, 2000 at 21:18:56:

In Reply to: Have you tried a sports bra??? posted by trish on June 12, 2000 at 15:28:37:

I'll have to agree that eliminating underwire bras really isn't an option for me! I used to, in fact, wear non underwire bras, resulting in a lot of pain as I am not exactly small breasted. Also, perhaps this is an irrational fear, but I worry about getting droopy when I get older (heh). Just my two cents.



Re: Have you tried a sports bra???

Posted by KMD on June 12, 2000 at 21:40:52:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried a sports bra??? posted by Nathalie on June 12, 2000 at 21:18:56:

I used to wear a sports bra sometimes, but that was before I had two children. It was after my first child came that I suddenly had fibrocystic breast disease. That, combined with what childbearing does to the breasts was what cemented me into the underwires 100%.

I guess I am so used to it (wearing a bra 24-7), it doesn't bother me. I wear a good quality bra, Bali brand "satin tracings" I think it is called. They are NOT cheap, but I have found that anything I get for less than $25 per bra is not going to do the job of keeping me comfortable and supported.

If they ever discontinue this particular bra, I will panic!



Re: Cliff's holistic health papers 12D and 13D (Archive)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 13, 2000 at 07:14:05:

In Reply to: Cliff's holistic health papers 12D and 13D posted by Cliff Garner on June 12, 2000 at 10:11:32:

Hi, Cliff.

Thanks for the extra effort!

Namaste`

Walt



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