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Hi,
What is even more suprising is that of the thousands of subscribers on this board, many of whom take supplements, there appears to be little activity to oppose govt. control of our right to ingest what we like.
LINDA FFE
In Reply to: going..... going..............GONE . Walt posted by . on June 23, 2003 at 06:20:52:
What are you doing to oppose it?
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . Walt posted by Wellbeing on June 23, 2003 at 06:28:38:
I try to educate people like you, as well as the health food store people nearby. Further I sent a $ contribution to the ANH in UK to assist their court hearing.
Linda
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . Walt posted by LINDA FFE on June 23, 2003 at 08:05:19:
So what makes you think nobody else has done that?
You say you try to "educate" people like Wellbeing. You who knows so much eh? Other than this you talk to the health food stores about it. Well done, so have I and so have probably loads of people. The fact is the health stores already know about it!!!
Finally you sent a $ to the ANA. Well that's just great.
All of what you do is just great but don't run away with the idea that everyone else has done nothing, just because we don't shout about it!
In Reply to: going..... going..............GONE . Walt posted by . on June 23, 2003 at 06:20:52:
Hi Linda:
I've alerted my friends. I've sent emails. I don't know what else to do. Can we possible organize some kind of march on Washington? I know some of my friends will definitely go, and I'm willing to go. Maybe some of the board members might be interested in going, as well.
In Reply to: going..... going..............GONE . Walt posted by . on June 23, 2003 at 06:20:52:
I think we don't know what to do. And maybe feel that whatever we could come up with to do won't make a difference.
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . Walt posted by observer on June 23, 2003 at 08:55:22:
maybe we need to shout a little more; visibility is the best way to see CODEX turned around. It starts here.
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . posted by ph on June 23, 2003 at 10:08:43:
the BEST action to take right now is to support the UK lawsuit. A contribution of any size is needed TODAY.
In Reply to: Can We Organize A March or Protest....Something??? posted by PhillyLady on June 23, 2003 at 09:59:09:
that's great but i think supporting the UK lawsuit is the BEST action to take at this time. Washington protests won't be needed until legislation begins to roll through the U.S. maybe we can avoid all that by working with those putting together legal opposition to early adopotion of harmonization. we have to think globally.
In Reply to: Re: Can We Organize A March or Protest....Something??? posted by peterb on June 23, 2003 at 11:36:50:
Hi Peterb:
I'm not familiar with international law. Will supporting the UK lawsuit benefit our interest in the U.S.?
You are right about thinking globally, though. I just thought we could "attack" this from all sides, since a protest would at least call attention to the problem.
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . posted by peterb on June 23, 2003 at 11:33:45:
Fine; I'm in. What's the address? Thanks.
In Reply to: going..... going..............GONE . Walt posted by . on June 23, 2003 at 06:20:52:
you are right. but just its hard to say 'the subscribers of this board' you dont subscribe to this, any one world widecan access it and leave at any time, its not really an organized group and that probably why. my college class accessed it ONCE for a discussion, so theres no wayto know how many are regulars.
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . posted by Contributor on June 23, 2003 at 13:36:37:
welcome aboard!
In Reply to: Re: Can We Organize A March or Protest....Something??? posted by PhillyLady on June 23, 2003 at 11:45:28:
"Will supporting the UK lawsuit benefit our interest in the U.S.?"
yep, a legal precedent defeating harmonization is a primary key to affecting the political landscape for this issue and that's extremely important right now. Several key US legislators think that Pharmaceutical payoffs are not objectionable to Americans simply because their constituents don't know about it! The end result of this outrage will be the success of CODEX and the literal shutting down of our favorite health food stores.
i like the idea of marching protests also, but don't think this issue will draw emotional support of the kind it takes to rally several thousand people at a time. if that changes, it will mean the Pharmas failed to keep a lid on it (ie., not likely.) they have a ton of money and the media is also on their side. in these situations, only a legal challenge can make your enemy stop and blink. we're there.
In Reply to: Re: Can We Organize A March or Protest....Something??? posted by peterb on June 23, 2003 at 18:57:12:
Thanks, PeterB, for your efforts!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . posted by peterb on June 23, 2003 at 18:37:05:
Thanks Peterb,
Seriously concerned people could also do what I've done; which is to print a few copies of some of IAHFs newsletters
All you have to do is copy it, and paste it to a word processor document, view it, edit as you think fit, then print.
Linda
The TGA just removed over 1600 products from Australian health food store shelves, without producing so much as a single product assay proving contamination. Hasn't it crossed the minds of the health food proprietors/ managers there that this didn't just happen- that it might be part of a calculated pharmaceutically oriented plan to crush our industry, by creating a media circus to try to discredit natural products?
Well, it turns out that it IS part of an orchestrated plan to crush our industry; and it is world wide
Central to the takeover was creation of the World Trade Organization which was created by the Uruguay round of General Agreement Trade Tarrif. Prior to the Uruguay Round, GATT had no teeth- GATT could not force nations to change their laws to suit the whim of multinational corporate interests, nor could it force nations to adopt international standards,
While the Cartel is attempting to push a very restrictive vitamin standard through to completion at Codex, they're politically trying to set the stage for this to happen all over the world via ongoing attacks against the dietary supplement industry via the media and via actions like the TGA's attack on Pan Pharmaceuticals and the resulting ensuing media circus. This is a PR gambit to try to create the idea in people's minds that vitamins are "dangerous" and the public "must be protected from them." Note the weapon TGA used to shut Pan down: Site Licensing. FDA in the USA intends to draft new Good Manufacturing Practice regulations this summer that will violate our law which forbids them from publishing new regulations for GMPs that exceed food based GMPs in scope. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 narrowly prescribes how they may draft these new regs- but they want the same ability to attack us in the US that the TGA has just used against Australians, so they are pushing for that here.
There are legal battles right now in England, and in Canada to try to stop implimenting of new regulations that would harmonize Canada to Australia. A similar legal battles will occurr here in the USA, the moment the FDA violates our law and tries attacking us via illegal GMPs. Meanwhile in the EU, the Alliance for Natural Health is trying to launch a lawsuit to overturn the EU Food Supplement Directive which is very restrictive. The EU will expand by 10 new nations, to 25 next year, and then there wouldn't be any way to stop the Cartel from pushing their restrictive vitamin standard through to completion at Codex. The WTO would then force all nations to harmonize their laws to the finalized restrictive CODEX vitamin standard.
Without going into a lot more detail, this is the problem in a nutshell. The best way people can monkeywrench these proceedings is to assist Aliance for Nattural Health with donations so they can file a lawsuit to overturn the EU Food Supplement Directive. That is a winnable court case. ANH has waiting in the wings to take the case one of the best lawfirms in England, one of the few to ever successfully overturn an EU Directive. International money orders can be sent to Alliance for Natural Health I cannot give you their street address because it is not listed on their website. You should contact them directly for that. "http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/"
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . Something else to do posted by . on June 24, 2003 at 06:55:35:
Thanks, .
Walt
In Reply to: Re: going..... going..............GONE . Something else to do posted by . on June 24, 2003 at 06:55:35:
excellent points LInda.
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Re: going..... going..............GONE . Something else to do
Posted by . on June 24, 2003 at 06:55:35:
and distribute them to your nearby health food sores. (Contrary to what many believe, health food store personel are not likely to be aware that they are living on borrowed time. They don't have time to search the 'net for info.) I took the liberty of a little bit of editing of IAHF's June 21 email 'cos it FITS ON 1 PAGE, and used it. See below.
T.G.A. W.T.O. GATT, CODEX, and your freedom to buy vitamins etc.
NOW, however, they CAN do this via creation of a new international court called the Dispute Settlement Body of the WTO. This mickey mouse court does not follow British, American, or Canadian rules of evidence. It is rigged to favor the multinationals interests, and no private citizen, no matter how well qualified, even has standing to appear before it, unless both conflicting parties agree to allow him or her to. The only people who have standing to appear before this court on the issue of vitamins are national reps who address the vitamin issue at meetings of the UN's Codex Alimentarius Commission's Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Use. But they all work for the FDA and it’s international counterparts, in other words- they're all stooges for the international Pharma Cartel.
or penalise them through trade embargoes.
PRINTED FROM IAHF (& edited)
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