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AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS

Posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 14:33:29:

Lots of people on this board who are asking for Walt's help and hardly anyone is being proactive with CODEX!

What does it take to convince you (in America) that we are on a FAST TRACK to losing our RIGHT to buy supplements?

Email reply from Dr. Sandra Cabot in Australia:

I sent the following email to a vitamin shop in Australia where I purchased Livatone. My email is in lower case.

Dr. Sandra Cabot responded - her response is in caps.

Hi, I'm contacting you because of the danger all consumers in all countries face with the implementation of CODEX. Before I go any further, I'd appreciate an email back letting me know if you already know about it

WE CERTAINLY DO AND IN AUSTRALIA THERE IS ALREADY A SEVERE SHORTAGE OF NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS

and of course, if you're interested in joining the grassroots fight to stop multinational pharmaceutical companies from taking away our rights to natural self-care through the use of supplements.

YES WE ARE INTERESTED
BEST WISHES
DR CABOT




Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS

Posted by Barb to Mary on September 09, 2003 at 15:36:57:

In Reply to: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 14:33:29:

Excuse me Mary, but, your making an accusation that you don't know is altogether true. How do you know that people aren't doing anything regarding the CODEX?

I know personally for myself, I have written and called my senators regarding the vote on CODEX. I have sent out emails with the information regarding CODEX.

What has spurred me on to do this is the information that has been posted on the BB. I'm sure that many others here on the BB have done the same.



Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS

Posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 18:36:47:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Barb to Mary on September 09, 2003 at 15:36:57:

Hi Barb,

I have posted a bunch of times on this board regarding CODEX. So has Dr. Stoll, peterb, dd, etc., etc. There are a LOT OF PEOPLE who post on this board and yet only a handful respond to the posts on CODEX.

I am glad to know that you have and are taking action. I can only assume that the message is not getting across to people by the lack of reponse on the board. I sincerely hope people ARE taking action, but having been involved in another fight over fishing rights, I know how complacent Americans tend to be, as a whole. The complacency is especially visible at voting time.



Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS

Posted by Barb to mary on September 09, 2003 at 19:53:57:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 18:36:47:

I never post after the posts on CODEX......although, I agree with you about complacency in the United States.



Mary to Barb

Posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 23:11:03:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Barb to mary on September 09, 2003 at 19:53:57:

It would be really helpful if you did post. That way I and others wouldn't be so prone to feeling like no one is listening and no one cares. I'm not being paid to do this. I do it because I am worried about our future in this country and the supplement issue is one that particularily hits home.

I'd appreciate everyone who reads these posts on CODEX to let the author know that you read it and will do something about it.

It's human nature that if work is done and continues to go unrewarded, the work will stop.

I gave up on the fight to save recreational fishing for just that reason. Why waste my time?



AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 10, 2003 at 07:17:18:

In Reply to: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 14:33:29:

Thanks, Mary.

I keep having the feeling of being stuck on the railroad crossing and having to watch the train bearing down on me.

Walt



Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS

Posted by Maria on September 10, 2003 at 07:27:22:

In Reply to: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 14:33:29:

Mary

I am in Australia. What do I need to do to contribute towards this not happening?

Thanks.



Re: Mary to Barb

Posted by Barb to mary on September 10, 2003 at 11:56:55:

In Reply to: Mary to Barb posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 23:11:03:

Ok, will do. Just curious, where are you located, and what was the issue on recreational fishing?



Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 10, 2003 at 12:27:13:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Maria on September 10, 2003 at 07:27:22:

Hi, Maria.

It is probably too late for Australia. Your only hope is to reverse the Common Market's law by the people's suit now being pressed. See the CODEX archives for how to do that.) If it can be reversed in the courts, perhaps Australia will begin to see the light.

Walt



To Walt and Maria...

Posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 01:37:16:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Walt Stoll on September 10, 2003 at 12:27:13:

There is a proposed lawsuit by Alliance for Natural Health to challenge CODEX. We only have until the end of September to fund this lawsuit. It is estimated it will cost around $500,00 to $650,000. It will be held in the UK as well as in Luxembourg. That apparently is our only chance to stop this.

IF 650 THOUSAND PEOPLE SENT ONE DOLLAR TO ALLIANCE FOR NATURAL HEALTH IN THE UK IT WOULD BE DONE. The PharmaCartel's %^$#( [you know what] would be toast!!

Please go to http://www.alliance-natural-health.org download the material next to the American flag and circulate it to the vitamin companies you buy product from and
URGE THEM TO DONATE TO ANH, and please urge more friends to donate via the ANH site.

Walt, I don't think it's too late for Australia. From my perspective, we are in a world-wide battle to stop this nonsense. It was largely by the use of the internet that Russia was "freed." I wouldn't want to get into that further because I think they are worse off now but the point is the Internet is a powerful tool that can be used for good.



Re: Mary to Barb

Posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 02:00:38:

In Reply to: Re: Mary to Barb posted by Barb to mary on September 10, 2003 at 11:56:55:

I'm in Southern California.

The Dept OF Fish and Game funded largely by the extreme environmentalists closed 175 square miles of prime ocean fishing grounds to recreational fishermen while allowing the commercial fishermen to continue raping the ocean near the closed area. And that is just the start. If the enviros had their way, all the cute little seals, etc, etc. would have the ocean and beach to themselves as well as the shore where humans need time to recreate and renew their bodies and spirits.

The commercials drag huge chains, triangular shaped behind their boats. It takes up everything on the ocean floor, destroying everything in its path which means fish habit, etc. Then they haul in their catch abroad ship, they look only for one or two species of fish that are marketable. The rest is known as "by catch" and they dump that overboard. The by-catch means a lot of fish and sea life that are dead or injured are thrown back to the waiting mouths of predatory fish/birds/seals/sharks that follow these boats.

The DFG has gone after the recreational fishermen first because they know we are not well organized or financed to fight them. Today, we are better organized. There are a lot of very, very angry recreational fisherman that have taken the bull by the horns. We are seeing progess, too. I only have so much time to devote to issues that are important to me. I opted to let go of the fishing and focus on the supplement issues.


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Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.)

Posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 02:16:16:

In Reply to: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 10, 2003 at 07:17:18:

I understand how you feel. It's depressing when the scads of people on this board do not respond to your posts on Codex. Frankly, I find it very irritating!

(It's quite late and the following seems a bit like rambling but it's too late to rewrite it so please bear with me.)

I am absolutely intent on doing whatever I can to stop CODEX. I make it a habit to talk to as many people as I can.
Today, I spoke to the manager of the vitamin dept. in a large health food store. She told me that they are members of NNAF (I think that's correct). It's the organization that is supposed to be helping vitamin stores by keepin them advised of ongoing legislative bills, etc. The only thing is, they don't know that this organization has been "infiltrated" by pharmaceutical people whose job it is to keep them in the dark in regards to CODEX. Pretty sneaky, if you ask me.

I have a good friend, an engineer whom I was discussing this last weekend. He told me that "you are a 'believer,' you were involved in the recreational fishing thing last year and now this. You won't be able to do anything on your own. It takes an organization with lots of money to do anything."

Well, Walt, I didn't buy into his argument. I didn't think of this at the time, but in hindsight, I should have asked him, "Haven't you ever heard of grassroots movements?"
What about Mothers Against Drunk Drivers?"

That's just one example of a grass roots movement that has brought about significant changes in the law and policy making.

Anyway, off to bed. I hope I'm able to motivate people on this board and elsewhere to take the bull by the horns.
I hope this helps you as well. Thanks for being there for us!!!



Re: To Walt and Maria...

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 11, 2003 at 09:22:12:

In Reply to: To Walt and Maria... posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 01:37:16:

Thanks, Mary.

All I know for sure is that it is many times harder to turn back a law than to defeat the Bill in the first place.

That is why I am bothered so much by the complacency of the US citizens.

Walt



Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 11, 2003 at 09:23:50:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.) posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 02:16:16:

Thanks, Mary.

If only there were more people like you to oppise this thing.

Walt



Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.)

Posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 19:34:03:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 11, 2003 at 09:23:50:

Thanks, Walt.

Maybe what is needed is to reach a critical mass.

You and I and the precious few others on this board who care enough to take action surely aren't the only ones who have joined the fight. We need many more, no doubt.

I'm damned angry about this and I won't stop working on it until CODEX is defeated. I suspect this is going to be a very long war. The pharmaceutical companies were defeated here in 1994 and now they're at it again. Oh well, I guess they'll just have to learn they aren't going to get away with this!

I just wish I could earn a decent living doing this - if I could, I'd jump into the fray big time. Unfortunately, I'm limited to the amount of time and energy I can spend on this. That's why it's so important for others on this board to pick up the torch and run with it.



Re: To Walt and Maria...

Posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 19:45:09:

In Reply to: Re: To Walt and Maria... posted by Walt Stoll on September 11, 2003 at 09:22:12:

Me too, Walt. The complacency in America is bordering on the ridiculous. Very few poeple here seem to think anything through. In fact, very few seem to think at all.

Of course, we haven't lived under a dictatorship so our warnings of what very well looks like fascism taking over American democracy is falling on deaf ears.

God help us. Of course, God helps those who help themselves. Bottom line, we're on our own.

All I can say is, their continued complacency will extract a very high price! Unfortunately, it will be all of us who will suffer the consequences.

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Re: To Walt and Maria...(This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good)

Posted by Miss Bliss on September 11, 2003 at 21:34:19:

In Reply to: To Walt and Maria... posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 01:37:16:

Hi Mary and Walt

I just contacted my health food store to get their email address to send them the info I downloaded from Alliance Natural Health org (they have an email address, but apparently dont check it (SIGH!)

when I mentioned about Codex,and our supplements being banned, she told me that according to "complimentary health care council" this is all a whole lot of hype and was told not to panic, and nothing really to be concerned about. When I mentioned that yes it is, and that its happened in Europe, she said that she doubts it will happen here, and are believing whatever the complimentary health care is telling them.

I also asked her for other vitamin companies phone numbers that I could contact, and she said that most companies already know about all thiss, and really its nothing to worry about.

What was a bit comforting to know is that she said that lots of people have come into the health food store with this info. Whats not comforting is her blazay attitude and her attitude about not over reacting.

I am kind of at a loss now. I will email the info out to some of the vitamin companies I am aware of. The main one I use to order from is via Queensland,over east.

Also, I dont understand why Walt says that its too late for Australia. I amin Australia. Have laws already been passed here, Walt, banning vitamins, is that why you say its too late? I wasnt aware of any laws being passed already, but thenI havent been keeping up to date on it, only when I realized the urgency ofMary's post.

Have their been laws passed already?

and what more can be done if companies are tkaing this same blazay attitude as the naturopath at my health food store?

*~ BLISS ~*




Re: To Walt and Maria...(This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good)

Posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 22:08:18:

In Reply to: Re: To Walt and Maria...(This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) posted by Miss Bliss on September 11, 2003 at 21:34:19:

Hi Bliss,

They are being fed lies. The pharmaceutical companies (mostly if not all, American, I am ashamed to say) are driving CODEX lock, stock, and barrel!

The MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS TO SEND MONEY TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED LAWSUIT.

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Sorry, Bliss, I hit the wrong key (here's the rest of it)

Posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 22:25:36:

In Reply to: Re: To Walt and Maria...(This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) posted by Miss Bliss on September 11, 2003 at 21:34:19:

Hi Bliss,

They are being fed lies. The pharmaceutical companies (mostly if not all, American companies, I am ashamed to say) are driving CODEX lock, stock, and barrel!

CODEX has been adopted in Australia. That's why www.vitaminsaustralia.com forwarded my email to them to Dr. Sandra Cabot's office. Dr. Cabot's website is: www.liverdoctor.com/au

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS TO SEND MONEY TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED LAWSUIT. Talk to as many people as you can and ask them to send $5.00 aussie dollars or more if they can do it to Alliance for Health Freedom in the UK. Send in the money yourself as well.

Since you are in Australia, how about calling Dr. Sandra Cabot's office and tell her office staff how concerned you are about CODEX and ask her WHAT STEPS SHE HAS TAKEN TO FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROPOSED LAWSUIT. (I sent her a return email 2 days ago asking her to consider sending a large donation to ANH or at the very least to contact Robert at ANH-I have not heard back from her.) She also has an office here in America. Arizona to be exact. I told her that CODEX will be adopted here and no place on the earth will be safe from these people. They are out to destroy their competition, the supplement industry. As I write this, it is just unbelievable to me that people would be so power and money obsessed to engage in this sort of premeditated behavior.

(By the way, she has two or maybe 3 websites. She specializes in liver disease and weight loss. Her practice depends upon the use of supplements.)

Thanks, Bliss. I appreciate what you're doing!

Mary



Re: Sorry, Bliss, I hit the wrong key (here's the rest of it)

Posted by Miss Bliss on September 12, 2003 at 00:14:17:

In Reply to: Sorry, Bliss, I hit the wrong key (here's the rest of it) posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 22:25:36:

Thanks, Mary.

I was just wondering about Sandra Cabot, bcause you had mentioned her in your previous post. I have read her book and gone on theliver cleanse diet previously. What is she planning to do? So you havent heard back from her. I hope she gets behind this, because this is directly going to affect so many people's quality of life, and yet they seem so quick to believe huge conglomerate businesses who say, "dont panic,people are creating hype over this, and overreacting". Kind of like lambs to the slaughter. Why cant people lthink for themselves, and not believe things so readily.

I am planning to send email to my own naturopath. I would like to see her opinion as she is one feisty lady, and a real fighter especially when it comes to bureaucracy, and these corporations trying to control us and take away our rights.

I plan to put my money where my mouth is too, and hope that others here will follow suit.

Mary, whats happening for Australia? I am not up to date, but why does it seem futile for Australia now.

Will write later. Must run.

*~ BLISS ~*




Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 12, 2003 at 07:17:21:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (Archive.) posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 19:34:03:

Amen, Mary!

The people who are pushing this will not stop if they are defeated this time any more than they stopped after their defeat in 1994. There is simply too much money to be made for it to not be an irresistable lure.

Walt

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(This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us?

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 12, 2003 at 07:25:32:

In Reply to: Re: To Walt and Maria...(This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) posted by Miss Bliss on September 11, 2003 at 21:34:19:

Yes, Miss, The law was passed in Australia about a year or so ago and due to take full effect in the spring of 2004, if my memory serves me right.

Complacency like this is criminal. Within a few years of the implementation of this law, that healthfood store will no longer exist and that clerk will be working somewhere else.

The real problem is that those of us who use nutrients to stave off visits to the medical monopoly will no longer have that option.

Walt



Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us?

Posted by Miss Bliss on September 12, 2003 at 07:48:27:

In Reply to: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us? posted by Walt Stoll on September 12, 2003 at 07:25:32:

"The real problem is that those of us who use nutrients to stave off visits to the medical monopoly will no longer have that option."


oh god, walt. I am disheartened that we wont be able to order our vitamins here in australia anymore. how and why would they do this to us, and how can they get away with this? just for money. they really dont care.

I think alot of people dont do anything, because maybe they feel helpless, as in them just being one person against a huge conglomerate,so they let it slide, and hope against hope that it doesnt happen. Kind of like living in a dream world, really. this really is a harsh reality that people probably dont want to face up to. sad.

those of us poor sods here in australia will eventually have to order our vitamins via another country?



Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us?

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 12, 2003 at 13:32:57:

In Reply to: Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us? posted by Miss Bliss on September 12, 2003 at 07:48:27:

Sorry, Miss.

Unless the EU suit is successful and the USA does not get it's bill passed, there soon will be nowhere in the world to get supplements without paying a doc to write a prescription for them.

Walt



Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us?

Posted by Mary on September 12, 2003 at 14:17:42:

In Reply to: Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us? posted by Walt Stoll on September 12, 2003 at 13:32:57:

And the supplements you get will be so watered down as to be ineffective.



Mary to Miss Bliss

Posted by Mary on September 12, 2003 at 14:19:25:

In Reply to: Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us? posted by Miss Bliss on September 12, 2003 at 07:48:27:

"I think alot of people dont do anything, because maybe they feel helpless, as in them just being one person against a huge conglomerate,so they let it slide, and hope against hope that it doesnt happen. Kind of like living in a dream world, really. this really is a harsh reality that people probably dont want to face up to. sad."

That's a very astute statement of the problem, Bliss.


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Re: Sorry, Bliss, I hit the wrong key (here's the rest of it)

Posted by Mary on September 12, 2003 at 14:32:43:

In Reply to: Re: Sorry, Bliss, I hit the wrong key (here's the rest of it) posted by Miss Bliss on September 12, 2003 at 00:14:17:

"Why can't people think for themselves, and not believe things so readily?"

Because it takes effort to think AND because it's so much easier to live in a state of "not knowing."

If people really allowed themselves to THINK then they would be impelled to do something about it. That means they would have to make sacrafices and they don't want to bother with that. Many are too much into themselves and don't care about the world around them. The thing these people fail to see, is that a HUGE PRICE will be EXTRACTED FROM THEM FOR THEIR UNWILLINGNESS TO ACT IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.

The Universe demands certain things. It demands that you take good care of your body. If you don't their will surely be consequences. (I can't really speak to that with integrity because I have not taken good care of my body. It is mainly through what I learn on this board that I am now making changes in a healthy direction.) If American citizens do not serve their country by being an active voice for good, then the Universe will provide consequences.

People have no choice when it comes to this. They either pay the price or they enjoy the price as Dr. Robert Schuller says. A price will be paid, make no mistake about it. Off my box now, got to get ready for school.

Thanks, Bliss for your willingness to be a good citizen!



Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of

Posted by dd on September 13, 2003 at 00:57:50:

In Reply to: Re: (This is What My Health Food Store has To say- Not good) Too late for any of us? posted by Mary on September 12, 2003 at 14:17:42:

And the supps will be so expensive, many won't be
able to afford them.

The sad state of being human: until it happens to you,
then it isn't reality.

Obviously I am generalizing, that is because the
general public can be generalized. Most people don't
look until it is done and there is something wrong. And
then what? Our entire system runs this way. "let
someone else take care of it. Vote them in, the RIGHT
one, and everything will be fine." You can also see this
attitude in the workforce. it is just people. I think most
people are really fairly lazy in being proactive.

People that get involved are often considered
hardheaded, yet without these people, nothing would
ever get done. This is one strange species we are a
part of. The sensitive types that see this stuff coming
are the minority for sure.

dd

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Re: Sorry, Bliss, I hit the wrong key (here's the rest of it)

Posted by dd on September 13, 2003 at 01:17:04:

In Reply to: Re: Sorry, Bliss, I hit the wrong key (here's the rest of it) posted by Mary on September 12, 2003 at 14:32:43:

"Because it takes effort to think AND because it's so
much easier to live in a state of "not knowing."

Hi Mary (Sis),

I just wanted to add to this that it is also a matter of not
allowing oneself to feel emotions. I think that part of
this whole mess is that people don't want to feel pain,
helplessness, sadness, frustration, fear etc.....all of
this, in addition to what you wrote about selfishness.
There is truth in the statement, "ignorance is bliss."
But, only for awhile. It can't last unless you live in a
bubble. At some point most people are hit with reality.

Hopefully without sounding snotty, i want to add that I
often see very little cognative thinking going on in a
great deal of people. I have to often wonder about
varying levels of intelligence. As often as I see people
walk away from a conversation about these types of
subjects, I also can see that many people don't actually
have the capability to process the information in
completion. It is as if they can only understand a
surface level. They can't see the bigger picture in other
words.

For the folks tha have the capability to think: Well, I don't
find that most people have courage to go on the
emotional journey it takes so that they can wake up and
take action. As you say, it is much easier to live in a
state of "not knowing."
That is, for awhile.

xxoo
dd

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Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (spin? anti-spin?)

Posted by Jan S. on September 13, 2003 at 02:41:01:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS posted by Mary on September 09, 2003 at 18:36:47:

Mary, even a Durk & Sandy supplement company is saying CODEX is not a problem for the U.S..... They stated as much in their September magazine that just went out to thousands of customers, and I quote,

Europe is a mess with its Codex harmonization efforts, but contrary to what some nutritional freedom fighters claim, there is no way that these oppressive regulatory measures will override what happens here in the United States. Not if the Constitution stands . . . not if we are able to keep holding their feet to the fire, as is our intention.

I was stunned to read this and had a deep sense of being off-balance all of a sudden, just reading it.

Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw used to provide all the details as to how We the People could join in the fight against the government powers that save us from ourselves. He has won actions against the FDA.

If they, as a supplement company, are not concerned....? It could mean one of several things - the deception really IS this entrenched; or WE who worry about codex are deluded; or some other possibility.... I confess I don't understand it as well as I should. (Sometimes I feel like I'm watching "Gaslight" ).

I want them to follow up with some factual information for the readership, not these vague assurances that 'someone is taking care of it' which is so troubling especially knowing the history of this company. I must contact the company to learn more about their assessment of the facts and exactly what they mean by "holding their feet to the fire".



Re: To Walt and Maria...

Posted by R. on September 13, 2003 at 10:26:42:

In Reply to: To Walt and Maria... posted by Mary on September 11, 2003 at 01:37:16:

It was largely by the use of the internet that Russia was "freed."

Freed from what exactly? Changes in Russia (USSR, to be exact) started to happen before regular, nonacademic people heard about the Internet, and even longer time before a large portion of their population was able to access the net.

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Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (spin? anti-spin?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 14, 2003 at 07:28:56:

In Reply to: Re: AUSTRALIA HAS SEVERE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLEMENTS (spin? anti-spin?) posted by Jan S. on September 13, 2003 at 02:41:01:

Thanks, Jan S.

Durk and Sandy are not right all the time either. Unfortunately, by the time they realize their mistake it will be too late.

Walt

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