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HORROR STORY, Just read it

Posted by LINDA FFE [234.95] on March 25, 2005 at 05:17:24:

If the following were a horror movie, we could all sit back with our popcorn and enjoy it. Unfortunately, this is not fiction and if we don't do something about it, this nightmare will soon become waking reality in the USA Canada and Australia.

In the mid-1990's my mother, then in her 80's, had a stroke. She lived in Germany. When she left hospital, I was ready with a nutritional plan that included high-dose vitamins: C, E, and B-complex, especially inositol, as
well as Co-enzyme Q 10. I went to the pharmacy, whose owner was a family friend for some 25 years, and handed him my list.

The pharmacist handed me a small packet with a price sticker of DM 200 (then about $200) containing vitamin E capsules manufactured by one of Germany's largest pharmaceutical companies. The source was synthetic, not the "mixed" version from living plant sources I wanted which contains the whole E spectrum. The package contained a total of 10,000 international units of E,

the equivalent of a mere 25 capsules of 400 IU each that we are used to buying (I take that many in 3 days). In Canada, our bottles contain 90 capsules and cost about $20.

He then handed me a tube-shaped metal container with vitamin C effervescent

tablets. Each tablet, when dissolved in water would release 10 mg (TEN MILLIGRAMS) of vitamin C in a refined sugar solution. The cost: about $10 for 12 tablets. (Twelve)
Then he asked me, "What's Co-enzyme Q-10? Are you allowed to buy all this in Canada in such dangerous dosages?"
When I told him what I take daily, his eyes popped. Then I asked, "Why can't they these supplements here?"

He replied, "Well, Germany is a CODEX country." Oddly, Germany has several government-run hospitals where environmental illness is treated with nutrients only, such as intravenous vitamin C.

Effective August 1, 2005, all vitamin and mineral supplements on a so-called "positive list," including everything from beta carotene to zinc, will only

be available in the 25 European Union countries if they comply with specific rules set out in the June 10, 2002, European Union Directive Relating to Food Supplements, or CODEX. What does it specifically mean?

1) All products must show "maximum safe levels, as established by science."

2) Those nutrients found in the mythic "balanced diet" are to be subtracted

from the final values.<
3) Article 6 decrees that labels shall "not attribute to food supplements

the property of preventing, treating or curing a human disease, or refer to such properties."
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So, the Directive's "science" knows nothing of vitamin C preventing and curing scurvy, vitamin D preventing and curing rickets and osteoporosis, or vitamin B complex curing and preventing pellagra and anemia. It also ignores the mountain of evidence showing our diets are chronically deficient in essential nutrients because of factory-style farming practices. To "ensure a high level of protection for consumers and facilitate their choice", they even included baking soda and table salt. Must assume they, too, will be unavailable as of August 1 anywhere in Europe? What interesting consequences for the tourist industry in the baked goods paradises Austria, Switzerland

and France.

Now, there is also a "negative list" covering essential fatty acids, phytonutrients, all the enzymes and more. Those cannot be marketed AT ALL, until the EU scientific committee in charge has made a final decision. So, forget omega-3, cod liver oil, and much more. The effect of this directive will be that thousands of products and businesses will be gone this year. In the UK alone some 21 million people will suddenly have no access to any supplement vitamins, minerals, enzymes, fatty acids and more. Since the onus is on businesses to produce the scientific information on safety, they can't produce or sell anything, not even to physicians who have the power to prescribe any toxic drug as well as any safe and essential nutrient. Obviously, there will be ludicrous enforcement issues: can you picture basement-concocted vitamins sold in dark alleys.
Hundreds of thousands of people die every year in North America from properly prescribed and ingested drugs. CODEX's effort to save us all from supposedly "dangerous" food supplements, by requiring their (non-existent)

toxicity levels, is a determined backlash against the turn medical science took starting with Linus Pauling, Abram Hoffer, Carl Pfeiffer and Roger Williams in the 1950's. They established the concepts of bio-individuality in absorption and detoxification, high-dose essential nutrients as disease-curing, and environmental toxins acting as nutrient-depleting.

Today, we have a flood of evidence showing that drugs have a very limited usefulness and that high-dose nutrients work better than drugs.

The pharmaceutical industry is anything but slow-witted, and good business practice dictates outfoxing the competition - one way or another - to secure the market.

If the CODEX Directive is not stopped, there will be only one medical world: the pharmaceutical world. When this whole CODEX project began in 2001, some 180 million protest letters reached their office, but CODEX didn't give up on "protecting" us. Now the fight is on in each country, because the European Union's problem is now everyone's problem.



EDITOR'S NOTE: Unless you like that "back alley" vitamin-buying scenario

that Ms. Ferrie refers to, get out your pen and write to your newspapers.

For more action information:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/codex.html

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex2004pat.htm

http://www.alliance-natural-health.org

http://www.doctoryourself.com/write_now.html



Best wishes,

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Re: HORROR STORY, Just read it Apathy is rampant in the US. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on March 26, 2005 at 09:15:13:

In Reply to: HORROR STORY, Just read it posted by LINDA FFE [234.95] on March 25, 2005 at 05:17:24:

Thanks, Linda!

This is exactly what I have been warning about for the past 10 years on this website. See the CODEX archives.

I guess the US people are waiting until this is the law of the land here and then they will try to get it reversed (a much harder thing to do).

This is a good example of nutrition by politics when the only organized lobbys are the drug industry--which stands to reap trillions by avoiding anything that people can do to help themselves so they must turn to prescriptions for appropriate doses of the appropriate nutrients AT A GREATLY INFLATED COST ORDERED BY THE MOST NUTRITIONALLY IGNORANT AMONG US--THE ALLOPATHIC PHYSICIANS.

I really cannnot understand the apathy. Hopefully, I will not live to see it happen.

Walt



Re: HORROR STORY, Just read it

Posted by PhillyLady [1494.1599] on March 26, 2005 at 11:20:01:

In Reply to: HORROR STORY, Just read it posted by LINDA FFE [234.95] on March 25, 2005 at 05:17:24:

Thanks Linda:

I take this Codex issue very seriously. If only more people would too.

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To Walt and everyone-APATHY IN THE U.S.

Posted by Mary [69.10] on March 30, 2005 at 02:11:46:

In Reply to: Re: HORROR STORY, Just read it Apathy is rampant in the US. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on March 26, 2005 at 09:15:13:

Hi Walt,

I couldn't agree with you more. Apathy is rampant. Isn't this what happened in Nazi Germany? All one has to do is take a look at how many people ON THIS BOARD alone who take the time to just respond to the CODEX posts. Very, very few!! A handful of people cannot stop this thing.

I've mostly given up spending any time posting about CODEX. IMO, it's falling of deaf ears. No one seems to give a damn!

Best,
Mary



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S.

Posted by Jan S. [535.81] on March 30, 2005 at 14:35:42:

In Reply to: To Walt and everyone-APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by Mary [69.10] on March 30, 2005 at 02:11:46:

I believe that this APATHY is not because "nobody cares". Look how the grass roots came together in 1994 to pass DSHEA. It was a huge movement by the people.

Information about Codex circulates, but the pieces don't seem to fit together, and that is when people "give up".

Recently an article appeared on snopes.com (trusted by many as the "official hoax-busters" of the internet), which dismissed the entire Codex threat as an "urban legend". NOT HELPFUL. But snopes can be wrong too.

Following is an excellent posting from John Hammell's discussion board.

I have followed this issue for a few years, and subscribed to the IAHF newsletter. The issue is very complex, simply because the laws involved are many, that attach to each other in so many different places. When one law doesn't work to limit our access to nutrition, another is created in another place with a different connection thus coming around again from a place not expected.

John Hammell has done a great job of connecting this whole issue up, and comes from a very North American perspective.

Unfortunately, because the issue involves so many laws in so many countries it is difficult to figure out the connections.

Basically, if Codex is passed in June, the next step will be to make it law in the entire European Union. After that, it will be included in international law at which point it will then be part of the World Trade Agreements, included as part of other international treaties and the like. At that point, if a country decides to abide by some international grouping of rules it must agree to ALL of them, even if there are a few they don't like. (Kyoto is an example of an agreement that is all or nothing.) If the US decides to accept that, then yes, the vast majority of supplements would be banned, and the rest would be radically restricted, and higher doses would require a prescription.

The US is moving towards accepting the International Agreements that would include Codex (or the rules within Codex). It is true that they have not yet accepted that agreement, but it is fairly clear that in time they will. If the US does not agree at all to that grouping of rules that includes Codex (or the rules within Codex), the rules can easily be added to other groupings that the US is already agreeing to.

There is HUGE pressure from the Pharmaceutical Industry worldwide to push this through as they are the ONLY beneficiaries of these rules. They have HUGE power, are bigger than most of the countries in the world, with bottomless pits of money. The owners and controllers of these companies are the same people, are related to, and are business partners with the people in the world pushing for international trade, and who set much of the rules in motion. Their DIRECT ties to political leaders of the world are fairly transparent when you look.

I lack the specific details of all the connections, but this website [iahf.com] and others do do that, and the information is there for those who are willing to do the research.

The reason that this group and others is pushing to stop Codex, even though it does not have an INSTANT connection to US law, is that if Codex does not pass, it cannot be included in any down the road trade agreements that the US joins in on. Think of it as nipping it in the bud before it gets too close to home.

You may have no interest in most of the stuff that occurs during the world summits and the like, so you may not push for stopping them. But if access to nutrition is important to you, this is one of the places to act.

If Codex is passed, and later becomes part of the debate to include it in US law, it will be too late, and the strong Pharmaceutical industry will be joined by all the other mega corporations of the world and we will have no voice at all. The silly little vitamin people will pale in importance to all the other lofty stuff pushed by the "Saviors" of the world (this sentence is sarcasm directed at the mega corporations).

So, will it be passed in June in the US? Maybe not. Will it be passed in the US in the near future? You bet, unless we all do our part and stop this.

Keep in mind that there are TRILLIONS of dollars at stake for the Pharmaceutical Companies and they will spend endless amounts of money to stop us knowing the truth. The claims against this movement have done a great job with disinformation by saying the law #xxx and law #yyy will not limit our access to nutritionals. They are right, but they fail to tell us that law #aaa connected to 50 other laws will do exactly that. They are relying on us not being able to put the pieces together. (emphases added)




Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (cleaned up formatting)

Posted by Jan S. [535.81] on March 30, 2005 at 14:40:05:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by Jan S. [535.81] on March 30, 2005 at 14:35:42:

Following is an excellent posting from John Hammell's discussion board.

* * *

I have followed this issue for a few years, and subscribed to the IAHF newsletter. The issue is very complex, simply because the laws involved are many, that attach to each other in so many different places. When one law doesn't work to limit our access to nutrition, another is created in another place with a different connection thus coming around again from a place not expected.

John Hammell has done a great job of connecting this whole issue up, and comes from a very North American perspective.

Unfortunately, because the issue involves so many laws in so many countries it is difficult to figure out the connections.

Basically, if Codex is passed in June, the next step will be to make it law in the entire European Union. After that, it will be included in international law at which point it will then be part of the World Trade Agreements, included as part of other international treaties and the like. At that point, if a country decides to abide by some international grouping of rules it must agree to ALL of them, even if there are a few they don't like. (Kyoto is an example of an agreement that is all or nothing.) If the US decides to accept that, then yes, the vast majority of supplements would be banned, and the rest would be radically restricted, and higher doses would require a prescription.

The US is moving towards accepting the International Agreements that would include Codex (or the rules within Codex). It is true that they have not yet accepted that agreement, but it is fairly clear that in time they will. If the US does not agree at all to that grouping of rules that includes Codex (or the rules within Codex), the rules can easily be added to other groupings that the US is already agreeing to.

There is HUGE pressure from the Pharmaceutical Industry worldwide to push this through as they are the ONLY beneficiaries of these rules. They have HUGE power, are bigger than most of the countries in the world, with bottomless pits of money. The owners and controllers of these companies are the same people, are related to, and are business partners with the people in the world pushing for international trade, and who set much of the rules in motion. Their DIRECT ties to political leaders of the world are fairly transparent when you look.

I lack the specific details of all the connections, but this website [iahf.com] and others do do that, and the information is there for those who are willing to do the research.

The reason that this group and others is pushing to stop Codex, even though it does not have an INSTANT connection to US law, is that if Codex does not pass, it cannot be included in any down the road trade agreements that the US joins in on. Think of it as nipping it in the bud before it gets too close to home.

You may have no interest in most of the stuff that occurs during the world summits and the like, so you may not push for stopping them. But if access to nutrition is important to you, this is one of the places to act.

If Codex is passed, and later becomes part of the debate to include it in US law, it will be too late, and the strong Pharmaceutical industry will be joined by all the other mega corporations of the world and we will have no voice at all. The silly little vitamin people will pale in importance to all the other lofty stuff pushed by the "Saviors" of the world (this sentence is sarcasm directed at the mega corporations).

So, will it be passed in June in the US? Maybe not. Will it be passed in the US in the near future? You bet, unless we all do our part and stop this.

Keep in mind that there are TRILLIONS of dollars at stake for the Pharmaceutical Companies and they will spend endless amounts of money to stop us knowing the truth. The claims against this movement have done a great job with disinformation by saying the law #xxx and law #yyy will not limit our access to nutritionals. They are right, but they fail to tell us that law #aaa connected to 50 other laws will do exactly that. They are relying on us not being able to put the pieces together.

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Re: APATHY IN THE U.S.

Posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on March 30, 2005 at 14:43:42:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by Jan S. [535.81] on March 30, 2005 at 14:35:42:

Hi Jan:

Excellent, excellent article. It provides a simple and clear explanation for those who may still not fully understand Codex's role in the anticipated supplement restrictions in the U.S. and abroad.



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by Jan S. [535.81] on April 01, 2005 at 06:12:52:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on March 30, 2005 at 14:43:42:

Yes, I really appreciate articles like this, for they attempt try to paint a big picture.

Where is "Codex for Dummies: A Quick Reference for the Rest of us" when we need it? Someone needs to write a book or at least a website with that concept, whose purpose is to cover all the angles, with a FAQ and the like and get it high in the search engines.

John Hammell (IAHF) says Codex can't be simplified in such a way, & that the only way is for each person to do buckle down and do their own research... I can't disagree about doing one's own research, but there is a need to get this publicized better.

Now, if only the Right could be made to believe that Codex is a UN thing..... we'd see it propagate through their media machine and faster than you can say "Michael Schiavo"

A UN thing? Oh, wait..



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S.

Posted by Vince F [1194.1745] on April 01, 2005 at 06:44:33:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on March 30, 2005 at 14:43:42:

Pssst... I can get you any drugs.. I mean suppliments that you want. High C, erotic E, dynomite D, you name it. Will get Gino to mix up a batch. Guaranteed to cure anything that you have, AND what you Don't have...)))

There is going to be a lot of illegal supps on the market if this thing passes.



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by Jan S. [535.81] on April 01, 2005 at 07:45:44:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by Jan S. [535.81] on April 01, 2005 at 06:12:52:

There is a new U.S. flyer (poster) for the Alliance for Natural Health

http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/_docs/ANHwebsiteDoc_136.pdf

Something useful everyone in the USA can do is to print this out and post it up in public, such as in your local health food store or co-op.

There are also flyers for other countries at the same site.


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Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by Jan S. [535.81] on April 01, 2005 at 08:03:29:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by Jan S. [535.81] on April 01, 2005 at 06:12:52:

Sorry, did NOT mean to impugn the hard work being done by others on this! Was merely feeling the irony of how OTHER stories are on the lips of the entire nation, within minutes.... (so why not this one?)

Here is another excellent site for information


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Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on April 01, 2005 at 08:31:51:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by Jan S. [535.81] on April 01, 2005 at 06:12:52:

Hi Jan:

"Codex For Dummies" would be a brilliant idea. There is so much information that it becomes overwhelming for the average person. I started by reading Codex Alimentarius's website. They certainly make themselves look like the saviors of the food industry, and perhaps in some respect they are (or were). Setting global standards for untainted, sanitary food practices is admirable. However, Codex is using those standards and twisting the facts about supplements in order to comply with the wishes of the greedy pharmaceutical giants who want nothing more than to eliminate the competition (supplements).

As for the flyers, yes I've seen several that are available in the alternative healing websites. I've spoken to a few people in our local health food stores and they don't have a clue as to what's going on. They simply don't believe that this is happening because they've never heard of it. Guess it's one of the best kept secrets. Come to think of it, I don't believe Codex has ever been mentioned on television or in the newspapers, and that's where the average person gets his news. Hmmmm, how on earth do they manage to stay out of the limelight? Who's protecting them?



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S.

Posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on April 01, 2005 at 08:36:10:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by Vince F [1194.1745] on April 01, 2005 at 06:44:33:

Hi Vince:

This is exactly where we could end up. Want Vitamin C? Go to your friendly neighborhood dealer. I imagine the supplement black market would prosper under these conditions....but then so will the arrests of common citizens seeking health. Oh, I can just see the little old lady down the street being led away in handcuffs for secretly buying bone-building tablets.



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S.

Posted by Vince F [1194.1745] on April 01, 2005 at 09:21:57:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on April 01, 2005 at 08:36:10:

I wonder if dogs could smell supps? Probably because many have a distinctive smell. Might take them longer to learn all the different ones.



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by R. [2151.1490] on April 01, 2005 at 20:55:04:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on April 01, 2005 at 08:31:51:

Need to get someone knowledgeable on Coast To Coast AM. It's got many millions of listeners. Then other shows. And little by little, people will find out.



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by PhillyLady [192.1599] on April 01, 2005 at 21:16:47:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by R. [2151.1490] on April 01, 2005 at 20:55:04:

Hi R:

Great idea. But...how to get those in power at Coast To Coast interested? Wonder if they'd consider Gary Null. He's very concerned about Codex and seems knowlegeable.



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S.

Posted by PhillyLady [192.1599] on April 01, 2005 at 21:41:54:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. posted by Vince F [1194.1745] on April 01, 2005 at 09:21:57:

Hi Vince:

I imagine dogs can be trained to sniff out anything. If bloodhounds can follow a person's scent, why not a supplement's scent? Herbs would definitely have their own distinctive scent.

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Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by Jan S. [535.1610] on April 02, 2005 at 00:23:19:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by PhillyLady [192.1599] on April 01, 2005 at 21:16:47:

Hi Philly. Robin Falkov (Chinese medicine practitioner, website below) had a slot in hour 2 last night on Coast to Coast, on the subject of Codex. Noory last interviewed her one year ago and Verkerk was interviewed once, I think. (obviously, this is not often enough)

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Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by Jan S. [535.1720] on April 02, 2005 at 00:36:44:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on April 01, 2005 at 08:31:51:

Just wondering, what do you, personally, do with the supposed tie-in with all the NWO stuff, when trying to communicate this to others? iahf.com is always given as a top source of information on Codex (which it is) but not everyone is going to want to buy into that whole grim picture that he paints which is absolutely central to everything he (JH) writes, and this may be partly why it's falling on deaf ears. The issue has a PR problem.

I find it better to never mention that aspect of it because firstoff, it confuses me and is very speculative, but secondly, I figure it isn't essential information in persuading someone to act or investigate further (JH would disagree, of course).



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by PhillyLady [192.1599] on April 02, 2005 at 11:00:03:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by Jan S. [535.1720] on April 02, 2005 at 00:36:44:

Hi Jan:

I don't bring up the NWO issue. To do so could turn the conversation into a political (or conspiracy) debate and possibly put people off. If they can't even understand the basic premise of Codex, how can they possibly envision the broader NWO issue?

You're right, the issue does have a PR problem. Several weeks ago, I sent two emails to Swanson Vitamins and raised several questions regarding Codex. They emailed me back without addressing my questions. They didn't seem to understand what Codex was and what it could do, which shocked me since Swanson is a big vitamin company. Both emails were answered with the typical, polite, cookie-cutter response. They assured me that their supplements were in line with FDA allowances. Their answers were not in any way connected to my questions. It was absolutely bizarre. The responses never included the word "Codex", nor was Codex even acknowledged. Why the big, dumb act?



Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX)

Posted by Jan S. [3524.81] on April 04, 2005 at 16:24:12:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by PhillyLady [192.1599] on April 02, 2005 at 11:00:03:

Thank you. I especially don't bring up the more far fetched NWO scenarios...

My guess is that Swanson is getting its information from their vitamin trade association, which means that instead of actually investigating customer inquiries, they give a canned response based on what the trade association tells them, who they trust. How odd that they did not even acknowledge your question about Codex even if only to say "Codex is no threat." I will contact my vendor who has actually sent out a flyer to reassure customers and telling us that, as a member of NNFA, they are joined in the fight to "keep our access to supplements" - but think I will get a canned response too.

The trade associations themselves aren't up to speed, according to John Hammell. On the NNFA web page, it invites activism to "keep access to our supplements" but it is all very general. For all the pages of information there, the only thing specific is a warning to vote against any bill trying to undermine DSHEA, should it appear (such as S.722 which may reappear). While it is true we don't want DSHEA undermined, the threat is coming from the global trade agreements already signed or still to be signed (such as FTAA). Still studying....

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ps I should proof better

Posted by Jan S. [3541.81] on April 05, 2005 at 01:53:20:

In Reply to: Re: APATHY IN THE U.S. (CODEX) posted by PhillyLady [192.1599] on April 02, 2005 at 11:00:03:

Change this..

if only to say "Codex is no threat."

to this...

if only to parrot the line about Codex being no threat, even when IT IS.

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