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I had cause to send this to an acquaintance of mine today, so I thought it might be nice to post it here too:
"The Science of Mind is built on the theory that there is One Infinite Mind which of necessity includes all that is,
whether it be the intelligence in man, the life in the animal, or the invisible Presence which is God. In it we learn to have a spiritual sense of things. This spiritual sense of things is what is meant by the Consciousness of Christ. To be able to discern the spiritual idea back of its physical symbol is to use the mind that Jesus used."
—Written by Ernest Holmes
In Reply to: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 05, 2004 at 02:17:22:
I have read some of the Science of Mind teachings and not only are they credible but they are beautiful too.
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Marian [15.6] on September 05, 2004 at 10:22:09:
Thank you Marion, I agree. I like the fact that it pulls from multiple sources and can appeal to many people, and it makes sense [to me anyway].
In Reply to: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 05, 2004 at 02:17:22:
Hi Gabriella. How are you doing? I'd just like to point out that for those of us non-Christians, this concept works just as well without Jesus or Christ having to be involved. I completely agree with the quote otherwise. I'm sure Buddhists believe the same thing, too.
Thanks for posting!
Naya
In Reply to: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 05, 2004 at 02:17:22:
Hi Gabriella,
Thanks for the post! I found this site that's interesting, too:
http://websyte.com/unity/title.htm
Sapphire
In Reply to: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 05, 2004 at 02:17:22:
Thanks, Gabriella.
I do not think this is OT at all.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya [120.14] on September 05, 2004 at 14:04:00:
Hi Naya,
I'm doing fine how about you girl? I heard you had a little set back, are you feeling better at all?
I'm glad you like the quote. In terms of involving the word "Christ" I understand your sentiments but let me explain. This is a non-denominational system of belief. Therefore when I took one of their classes, I was surprised the first time I heard a reference to Jesus.
However, it turns out that they use the word "Christ" as a general symbol for perfection, but not in reference to him in particular. They claim that everyone has the ability to be Christ-like and have a Christ-like mentality, and that it is not exclusive to him. He, they claim, went ahead and did it and behaved and lived that way, but that it certainly wasn't exclusive to him, and anyone or everyone could be like that, if they chose to, it's their choice.
Does that make it clearer? I know it's hard at first to get used to the idea because of the role Jesus has had in our Judea-Christan country, but the more I heard the reference in this context the more it made sense.
~~~
gabriella
p.s. and I certainly don't mean to offend ANYONE, this is simply one of many belief systems that exist on our planet.
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Sapphire [422.532] on September 05, 2004 at 14:41:51:
Hi Sapphire,
Are you hot?
Anyway, you're welcome and thank YOU very much, I loved and saved this link. I'm going to use it as a refresher course. It's great that they're putting up chunks of his book up to expose people to some really good ideas.
Unity is another system of beliefs that is very close to Science of Mind. I went to one of their services some years ago. They do seem a little more denominational however, but still had some good thoughts.
gabriella
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind (Archive in consciousness. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on September 05, 2004 at 15:07:18:
Thank you very much Walt!
Kisses and hugs and I'm glad you're safe.
gabriella
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [151.890] on September 05, 2004 at 16:06:20:
Gabriella,
Yes, it sure has been hot here in the southern part of the state. What about up north?
This Science of the Mind is very interesting. I just ordered Dr. Wayne Dyer's "The Power of Intention" (on DVD, as seen on PBS.) He discusses a lot of the same concepts. There also seems to be similarities in the theories discussed in the movie, "What the Bleep," don't you think?
Sapphire
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Sapphire [422.532] on September 05, 2004 at 17:12:31:
Hi Sapph,
Yes, I totally agree, loved Dwyer for many many years, and yes I feel the Bleep does pull a lot of these similar and compatible concepts together. They answer the question, for me, about God the spirit, and our relationship to it and to life and to each other and to ourselves.
Intention is a wonderful dvd, good move to get it.
And hot, you bet, I am stupid enough to be gardening right now, at the peak of the heat, where it is close to 100%.
I may just burn to a crisp...
gabriella
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [151.890] on September 05, 2004 at 15:31:40:
Hi! I'm doing a little better today. Those probiotics just kill me. I understand what you're saying about the Christ concept, but you could easily use Buddha just as well. It's just that for many non-Christians, the evocation of Christ also brings up all the crimes towards humanity perpetrated in his name. It's really hard to swallow for some people. Jews especially have problems with this. They consider Jesus to have been a great reformer and teacher, also a prophet, but do not view him as Christians do. I'm sure you know that.
What's been going on with you? How's that leg of yours?
I missed talking to you. I gues you and WOW are practically neighbors, huh?
Take care!
Naya
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 05, 2004 at 17:39:00:
I'm hiding inside. No AC - oh, boy, now I wish I were back in Pa. in my airconditioned apartment. Ugh! It's going to be like this tomorrow, too. Well at least we're not in Florida!
Naya
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Sapphire [422.532] on September 05, 2004 at 17:12:31:
Hey, girl! What's up? Are you any better today? I'm feeling somewhat recovered, though guts are still burning.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya [120.14] on September 05, 2004 at 17:44:06:
Hi Naya,
Glad you're a little better. Too bad about the probiotics, gosh darn.
I understand your associations with the word Christ, just as long as you understand that the belief system has a completely different use for it, and that there is so much good and practicality in this system, that for me and others it is easier to ignore any imagined demoninational associations.
Anyway, I can't erase your feelings and associations, just explain. But I do know that you need to be as comfortable and safe in your beliefs as possible, and I truly respect that.
I'm busy, school started, I'm doing some part time work for a new designer, and am having a little fun with friends too. Tomorrow is a picnic and concert at a winery, but today is mundane junk, except my gardening.
Are you getting out or having any fun at all?
It's nice to talk to you too Naya, you're a sweetie. Yes, it seems that WOW and I are about an hour apart. She's lucky though, she lives pretty close to a lot of action!
You take care too!
gabriella
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya [120.14] on September 05, 2004 at 17:47:11:
Yeah it's hell, we're just not equipped for this kind of heat. You better stay inside. Absolutely, Florida would be worse, those poor people.
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 05, 2004 at 17:56:49:
You're a sweetie, too! I'm not having much fun this weekend. My boyfriend has to work tonight, so I'm on my own in this sweltering heat. I don't know what to do with myself. It's too hot and crowded out there to do anything. I've just been on the internet and watching the hurricane footage. God, I wish there was AC! It's 85 degrees in my apartment. What are you doing gardening?!
Talk to you later!
Naya
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya [120.14] on September 05, 2004 at 18:20:43:
Yes, I had to pot a plant and water the rest. Tie some of them up on their supports and trellises. Now I have to clean the kitchen and gather my clothes for the wash. Later it's bills and homework. Talk about romantic...at least you have a boyfriend! I could sure use one about now
Take it easy,
gab
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya to Sapphire [120.14] on September 05, 2004 at 17:48:37:
Hi Naya!
Hangin' in there... Glad you're feeling better. Will send you an email later. Talk to you soon!
Sapphire
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [180.890] on September 05, 2004 at 18:44:45:
What kind of homework? What are you studying? I'm going to eat something thrilling now - good old anticandida diet. Blah! :-(
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya [120.14] on September 05, 2004 at 20:06:50:
I'm taking an interior drawing techniques class. I have to draw a window treatment and a floor treatment with all kinds of papers and colored pencils and grey markers and perspective and shadows and textures and all-that-stuff.
So the candida diet isn't too bad if you like veggies and protein which I do, but you're tired of it huh? I'm going over to do wash and have spaghetti and meatballs at my parent's house. Try to be a good girl, your boyfriend will be home later, right? PBS is always good on Sun. nights...
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya [120.14] on September 05, 2004 at 17:44:06:
Hi Naya,
I had a few more things I wanted to say about this topic with you and didn't get a chance to, so if you see this post, I hope you'll understand. First of all you said:
"I understand what you're saying about the Christ concept, but you could easily use Buddha just as well."
I need to make it clear to you that this was not what I said, this was a quote by Ernest Holmes, the founder of Science of Mind. And yes, perhaps Buddha or some other prophet could have been used, but Christ is a figure we can all relate to in this country.
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You said: "It's just that for many non-Christians, the evocation of Christ also brings up all the crimes towards humanity perpetrated in his name."
I understand from your perspective how you feel, but there are a lot of people that don't have those same feelings and associations. There is discussion about this topic right now on the board, as a matter of fact; that there are a few bad folks in various religions and races that abuse the foundations for their own benefit, and in the name of their crimes. But people can't go around blaming everyone in a particular race or religion for the actions of some. There are plenty of wonderful Christians.
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You said: "Jews especially have problems with this. They consider Jesus to have been a great reformer and teacher, also a prophet, but do not view him as Christians do. I'm sure you know that."
Yes, I understand what you've said even though I personally do not belong to any denominational religion, but again, just because Jews do not believe Christ is the son of God doesn't mean that Ernest Holmes's quote is out of line. We are all free to believe what we want and to have our own associations, that's the beauty of this country and that's what it was founded upon.
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Anyway, Naya, I hope you saw this post and that I have made things a little clearer, because I felt like with all I was doing today I didn't get a chance to address it the way I felt I needed to.
Take Care and Stay Cool,
gabriella
In Reply to: a few more thoughts for Naya posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 06, 2004 at 03:35:00:
Thanks, Gabriella. No need to explain. I understand. It's just kind of a gut reaction, I guess. You should ask WOW about it. I'm sure she knows what I mean. I appreciate your efforts to clarify the quote. I understand what is meant by the essence of Christ. don't get me wrong. It's just those connotations.
I'm not religious at all in any conventional sense. Still wondering at the universe and knowing we'll alwayss be in awe of it.
Hope we're all clear on this now.
Talk to you soon,
Naya
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [87.890] on September 05, 2004 at 20:41:01:
I spent three hours on the computer talking to people before he came over. I must be nuts, but it was fun!
Sounds like an interesting course!
Hugs,
Naya
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Naya [120.14] on September 06, 2004 at 15:35:47:
You had fun, that's the most important thing, it was good for your immune system!!!
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by gabriella [151.890] on September 05, 2004 at 16:06:20:
Hi Gabriella:
Sorry to jump in. Just wanted to comment on something you said....
"Unity is another system of beliefs that is very close to Science of Mind. I went to one of their services some years ago. They do seem a little more denominational however, but still had some good thoughts."
I've been to several Unity churches and have found that their services vary greatly among churches. It really depends on the minister. I, personally, am so grateful to have found a Unity church seven years ago. Before that, all churches seemed to me to be about hatred, hell, and damnation.
Interestingly enough, our Unity church here is going to be sponsoring a weekly Science of Mind study group. My husband and I would love to go but don't think we have room in our schedules for a weekly group at this point. Someday....
In Reply to: Re: OT sort of: The spirituality of Science of Mind posted by Carol D. [634.1384] on September 07, 2004 at 13:10:48:
Hi Carol,
Thanks for your comment! If I get a chance I might try a different Unity and see what kind of experience I have, so that's good to know. It is a pretty popular religion, and as you said, very close to Science of Mind.
Also, it's so true about the minister. I love Science of Mind but have only found one pastor that I liked well enough to go listen to, and he decided to do other things instead.
I took the Science of Mind study group and it was fantastic. I learned so much more about their philosophy than I ever could in services. You really dive in and examine and discuss the concepts. But it was a ton of work, and I don't blame you for waiting until you can give it the attention it needs...
~~~
gabriella
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