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as you all know i have tendonitis. i am typing this with my left hand because after using my laptop its like 95% of my strength in that arm is gone. i could barely press on the keys. there is pain but the weakness came on fast and its scaring me. i have an ice pack on it now an im also getting that pulling sensation in my upper forarm top lasting a couple seconds like an elastic band being pulled. i am using ct cream i got offline that has helped and doing my stretching exercises, but why all of a sudden i have no strength in my arm? its very scarey. i have to cook tomorrow for the holidays and dont know how im going to do this, would the best thing be to keep my arm in a sling for a few weeks and not use it at all or shold i get that darn cortizone shot? :(
In Reply to: very worried posted by terry [1914.1351] on December 23, 2005 at 21:38:22:
I suffered with this for about 6 months. It was awful. I bought a elbow brace at Meijer for about $10 and it was the best purchase I ever made. I wore it during the day when I was using my arm and at night when it bothered me. It helped so much! I have been pain free for about 2 months. My brother got the cortizone shot and said it was the worst thing he ever did. He said his pain was alot worse after the shot so I never went that route. Good luck to you.
In Reply to: very worried posted by terry [1914.1351] on December 23, 2005 at 21:38:22:
Terry,
Do a web search on Dr. John Sarno and order his books. You have a mind related problem. I'm not kidding it works.
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Steve [4710.1584] on December 24, 2005 at 06:50:36:
Mind related? LOL Ok Fox. Running to Barnes & Noble to get books. Ya RIGHT!!!
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by shelly [863.1351] on December 23, 2005 at 21:53:41:
Shelly, if I give you my eamil addy, can you send me a link to where you bought it from or what store you brought it from? Thank you
terry120953@charter.net
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Shelly [1914.1351] on December 24, 2005 at 13:25:51:
:-)
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Shelly [1914.1351] on December 24, 2005 at 13:25:51:
I just ordered an Armcast Armband online. I dont think I'll need the books Fox. Thanks anway. :-) LOL Thank you Shelly!!!!!
In Reply to: very worried posted by terry [1914.1351] on December 23, 2005 at 21:38:22:
Hi Terry,
I agree with Silver Fox. I had shocking tendonitis and was told it was permanent by several top docs and sports physios.
It's entirely cured. Interestingly, Chinese medicine relates tendonitis to certain internal organ dysfunction, and there's also a strong body of opinion that an acid constitution can exacerbate it.
I took everything on board there, and had acupuncture, and changed my diet.
I also abandoned ALL Workcover compensation claims, because they were giving me a vested interest in a continuing problem.
I supplemented it all by gentle weight work and exercise.
It took nearly two years, but my persistence paid off. Now, looking back, I'm puzzled that such intense pain may have largly manifested from my mind. I think that's the case, though, even though I am VERY stoic and have a high pain threshold normally.
Another angle to my own recovery was to focus less on myself. I am VERY self-absorbed as a person, but another thing I had to acknowledge through my healing process was that my pain and muscle fatigue etc would miraculously let up if I had a 'fabulous life offer' of something to do that was fun and took me out of my self-focus.
Dare I suggest, Terry, that Christmas stress might have something to do with it? Worth exploring ALL OPTIONS and coming to a holistic approach.
Good luck!
Jane
In Reply to: very worried posted by terry [1914.1351] on December 23, 2005 at 21:38:22:
Hi Terry,
Did you see the replies to your first post on this?
http://askwaltstollmd.com/wwwboard/messages/395944.shtml
I hope you found some ways to reduce your pain today, like minimizing the dishes you made or the time you spent cooking, or going out to a restaurant or doing a potluck instead of cooking everything yourself at home.
My tennis elbow/lateral epicondylitis pain was/is only moderate, but the brace, for me, really, really helped. I wore it day and night, and my morning pain was much worse when I forgot to put it on when I went to bed. I had to really limit my typing time on my PC for a while--I couldn't have imagined using a laptop. If you've only got it in one arm, slide the keyboard or laptop over in front of your sore forearm so you don't have to strain it to reach the keyboard/type.
Here is the website with the exercises I did. Instead of the wrench, I used a coated 1-lb dumbell weight. For my good arm, I was able to use 2# sometimes. I don't play tennis, so I ignored all the stuff on the website about that.
http://www.nismat.org/ptcor/tennis_elbow/
The other recommendations I have to relieve the pain would be a chiropractor who actually works on limbs as well as the spine, and some focused massage therapy. Both of my practitioners actually got in there and released the tension in the muscles and the muscle attachment points above and below the elbow joint. Yes, it hurt, but it relieved the pain afterwards.
My recommendation is to do everything you are doing plus the additional recommendations as often as you need to to break the pain cycle, and rest your arm as much as possible. Get help with lifting and carrying, and look for other ways to move goods and do work so you don't strain it again.
Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: very worried posted by terry [1914.1351] on December 23, 2005 at 21:38:22:
not sure if what I get sometimes from overuse, strain, or from the way I slept is tendonitis. Sharp pain when I move the part a certain way, but heat as hot as I can stand it, relieves it right away.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Jane [111.1399] on December 25, 2005 at 23:43:46:
Thanks, Jane.
Great post!
Walt
In Reply to: very worried posted by terry [1914.1351] on December 23, 2005 at 21:38:22:
Hi Terry,
Oh how very familiar this sounds to me. I went for years in the same condition. I decided to do something about it when my strength seemed to vanish quickly. Up until then my arms were only weak but it IS very scary when you feel you've lost all strength.I used to love to cook and still do at times but this condition has cut my cooking interest down considerably. Lifting pots with one arm is the most painful.
What stretching exercises are you doing? I went to the doc who told me he could operate but it wouldn't help much. I didn't want surgery at all. And he didn't do much of anything and wouldn't until I changed jobs. It took me a couple more years to finally give in and change jobs.
I did go to PT though and learned exercises there. Got the arm bands(didn't help me much)putty to squeeze throughout the day for building strength. But the most helpful for my pain(after meds caused nausea) was the cortisone firberator device that sent cortisone to my elbow without injection. Helped a bunch. Chiropractic as well as massage could be a help.
I didn't continue the therapy, just like me I can't seem to stick to any routine as far as doctors and therapy goes, but decided it would have been a lifetime commitment if I didn't change my job and other practices that continued to aggravate my condition.
Steve could be right with the mind set but I can tell you I used every ounce of mind control to advert my pain and it worked for years till the weakness scared me into action. The problem with that mind control is I kept doing things to cause more problems instead of correction. I think cortisone shots would cause the same problems. At least that was my fear. That it would help so much I wouldn't correct the source of my pain.
I wouldn't think a sling would help considering that the most pain comes after the tendons have cooled down after activity. It's a no win battle with me now. The tendons feel fine while I'm using them so it's hard to tell if I'm doing more damage until I rest and the pain starts. So it's hard for me to decide what activity to avoid.
Changing jobs along with flax seed and watching what I do helped me tremendously.Although ironically my current job has changed lately and I'm now doing some of the typical motions with my hands/arms that caused the pain to begin with. And some of the pain has returned. I'm wanting to try acupuncture to reduce the pain I have left but the closest practice to me is miles and hours away.
It's hard for me to give you suggestions without describing my experience but you need to do something now. Before any permanent damage if possible.
Good luck and if possible can you relate any good or bad results of whatever remedy you choose to try? I'm open to trying any new or different soloution.
D
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 26, 2005 at 10:59:53:
...I really should profread
In Reply to: CORRECTION...I feel the sing WOULD NOT help... posted by D [2017.1351] on December 26, 2005 at 11:03:41:
OK, I believe the SLING WILL NOT help. Now singing may help with the mind control issue but that's totally your call :)
I don't think it's my day for posting so I think I'll give it up.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Terry [1914.1351] on December 24, 2005 at 09:31:50:
Hi Terry,
SF is right. I would have laughed once at the thought too...the pain IS really felt, it's where it comes from...my pain was so intense I couldn't wipe a kitchen bench or hang out clothes...yet it evaporated with no physical changes whatsoever that the physicians could measure, after a change of attitude on my part.
Seriously, see a Chinese practitioner and explore the mind thing. If you REALLY want to heal, and don't have a vested interest on some emotional level in the disability, you'll open up to these possibilities.
I've been there and I'm NOT discounting the reality of your illness, nor is Silver Fox.
If you won't listen to people who've been there and found wellness in the face of medical opinion, aren't you possibly perpetuating your illness? Doesn't that underline what Silver Fox is pointing out?
If you don't want to heal, that's for you and levels of consciousness in you to work out, but I want to assure you that your condition can be completely healed - if you want it to.
Jane
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Jane [111.1399] on December 26, 2005 at 18:45:36:
Hey Jane,
I may be misunderstanding this. Are you saying if you control the part of the brain that causes you to feel the pain it will subside?
If so then could you not damage the tendons further by overusing them while controlling the pain?
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 26, 2005 at 20:21:33:
Hi D,
I don't think you can isolate, say, 'the part of your brain that feels the pain'. And, as my initial post says, the tendons themselves are likely not to be the source of the problem. If it's a manifestation of a problem with an internal organ, the tendons are only peripheral to the problem, and they won't manifest the pain once the fundamental problems are being addressed. I only know from experience and advice from excellent practitioners; I don't know the psycho-biology I'm afraid!
Jane
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 26, 2005 at 20:21:33:
I could be wrong D. but I think Jane meant that as part of the treatment one should eliminate stress from the hypothalamus, the part of the brain that stores stress. And stress can sometimes manifest itself as pain and/or disease.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Jane [111.1399] on December 27, 2005 at 18:20:21:
Maybe work related tendonitis differs from other types(although I thought it came from repetitive use)
I can truly say that overusing my arms caused my tendonitis. And probably damage from continuing the same activity that caused the problems to begin with.
My pain certainly does not come from anything I eat nor does it seem to be related to anything other than overuse and abuse. I'm sure of that. It didn't take any doctor to tell me this, although they have, I knew myself that using a rotary sander every day for so many years and at such a pace could possibly cause future problems but I didn't know the extent and I was foolish enough to believe it wouldn't happen to me since I was healthy and things like that didn't happen to me. Wrong!!
I know my overall health could benefit or harm the damage but how could it be responsible?
I have no problems with any organ to my knowledge unless the meds the docs gave me at the beginning of my problem damaged my liver.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by gabriella [180.890] on December 27, 2005 at 18:30:47:
Well Gabs.
I could be wrong but it sure sounds like she's saying the pain isn't originating from the tendons but is some sign of an unhealty organ.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Jane [111.1399] on December 27, 2005 at 18:20:21:
( don't think you can isolate, say, 'the part of your brain that feels the pain')
I really don't know what you mean by this. I was referring to what I thought Steve meant by controlling pain without med. Mentally, which I think is wonderful however I can see a downside when repetitive motion injuries are concerned.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 28, 2005 at 20:38:21:
...the pain IS really felt, it's where it comes from...my pain was so intense I couldn't wipe a kitchen bench or hang out clothes...yet it evaporated with no physical changes whatsoever that the physicians could measure, after a change of attitude on my part.
Seriously, see a Chinese practitioner and explore the mind thing. If you REALLY want to heal, and don't have a vested interest on some emotional level in the disability, you'll open up to these possibilities...
Hi D., these comments lead me to believe that she was implying the person should relax their mind, and try and rid themselves of stress. Again I could be wrong, so maybe Jane will either confirm or contradict my point.
gabs
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by gabriella [180.890] on December 28, 2005 at 21:12:22:
Well, what I hear her saying is that the tendons are not actually the problem and the pain will subside with the right attitude.
I really don't see terry as obsessing about her pain.I do understand how she feels,what some may consider stress. I had the same scary loss of strength and until that point I did my best to overcome the pain mentally. The problem was until then I continued to injure myself and didn't take measures to get well.
I'm very happy Jane is without pain but I know myself that I had to make changes to relieve mine.
Maybe I missed Terrys explanation of the cause of her tendonitis. If bracing is behind it the SR is the answer but for repetitive motion injuries I feel it's not enough. Or at least for me it isn't.
Do you understand where the internal organs come into this? I'm feeling like a big dummy cause it's not making sense to me.
And if you read her post to Terry it seems like when she states "that IS where the pain is felt" she's speaking of the mind.
She also says you can be healed if you want it badly enough. Without doing anything just changing your mindset.Well I wanted it badly enough. 10,000 dollars a year enough. I wanted to be painfree very ba
dly and ignored it for the money. So if that idea worked, I would be happier financially.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 28, 2005 at 23:11:24:
Well, what I hear her saying is that the tendons are not actually the problem and the pain will subside with the right attitude.
This is similar to what I heard. The attitude I felt meant several things. One of them is being open to the various causes and treatments of the condition. Another is seeing the body as a whole unit, not compartmentalized. And another is the role stress plays in pain/weakness/disease.
I think Jane is just trying to open her up to treatment options she might never have considered before. And I understand that since you've had a similar condition and frustrations, that you are relating this to your own personal experience, it would be hard not to.
I certainly don't think Jane intended for SR to be the only treatment, just that stress plays a major role in many conditions.
I will go back and read the part about internal organs to respond to your question on that.
When she talked about that "is where the pain is" I felt she was implying that stress was playing a major role and that it manifested itself in the tendons. But I can't speak for Jane, just the way I interpreted her post.
As for the comment on "healing if one wants it badly enough" I understand what she means. The will, the mind, is crucial. It means that you are willing to try anything to help yourself, and that subconsciously your body picks up the message that you intend to become healthy and stay that way. Our subconscious communicates these messages to our cells, which then communicate it to one another. That's why some cancer patients do very well when they visualize the cancer cells being destroyed by healthy cells.
Maybe in your case you thought you wanted to be better but somewhere in your bodymind there was still some doubt. That's to be expected when you're so uncomfortable. However, you do know that having a strong will and mindset will put you in a better position to heal than if you give up mentally?
You're tough D., I think you know that.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 28, 2005 at 23:11:24:
About the organs, I couldn't find that sentence, but this is what I think Jane might have meant. In Chinese medicine they focus on energy flow and energy blockage.
When there's a blockage it shows up as a malfunctioning organ. However, sometimes those malfunctioning organs manifest their symptoms in other parts of the body that seem unrelated to that area.
These malfunctioning organs can be any organs in the body.
Hope this helps D.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by gabriella [180.890] on December 29, 2005 at 00:35:37:
I totally understand how the mind can heal. Maybe I'll make myself clearer tommorrow after I get some sleep.
TTL
D
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by gabriella [180.890] on December 29, 2005 at 00:35:37:
OK I have to relay my thoughts before turning in.
I guess what I'm wondering is why this was brought up to terry to begin with. The mind can heal with any problem posted on this board. I saw no evidence that terry wasn't in the frame of mind needed for her to get better. I used myself as a reference because I don't like to speak for anyone else and because I know from experience you can't will this away or I would certainly have done so. As would many of my co-workers with similar afflictions.
Maybe I rushed reading as I do replying and misinterpreted the meaning.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 02:12:19:
Thanks for letting me hear your thoughts on this D.. I never intended to get into this thread this deep, I just thought I might be able to clarify a few things. I'm going to leave you guys to discuss it further and I'm glad to know that you're feeling better.
ttl,
gabs
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 02:12:19:
D., I thought I'd leave you with some excerpts about the body/mind connection, because I don't think that I made that concept very clear to you:
"What we think affects our immune system. This is a very simple concept that has been substantiated by our science. At Harvard Medical School, researchers discovered receptors on our immune system cells for brain chemicals. Our thoughts create our brain chemicals. Good thoughts improve our immune system and negative thoughts suppress our immune system. According to the Harvard research, this entire process is biochemical. The new science is called Psychoneuroimmunology. As far as science is concerned, Psychoneuroimmunology is the reason behind the Body/Mind connection. It's all biochemical.
If you've clicked on the link above (Psychoneuroimmunology) and viewed the page, always keep in mind that it is not so much what has happened to you that counts, but how you respond to what has happened to you."
PSYCHONEUROIMMUNOLOGY
A Harvard study in the seventies discovered receptors on our immune cells for neuropeptides. Neuropeptides are chemicals produced by the brain that vary with our emotions. The results of this study point to the simple fact that your immune system is listening to your mental talk. How you think is how you feel. When someone tells you that you’re only as old as you feel, believe it.
You are the master of your immune system. There is no better cure for anything than a good attitude.
Below are the results of a study conducted on students, separated into two sections, negative and positive states.
Negative States
Bereavement
Decreased lymphocyte proliferation.
Pessimistic states
Decreased lymphocyte reactivity; decreased T-cell effectiveness.
Academic stress
Decreased NK cell activity; decreased T-cells; decrease in certain immune chemicals; increased susceptibility to herpes virus; decreased immunoglobulin A; increased blood levels of Epstein-Barr virus.
Depression
Decreased T-cells; decreased number and function of lymphocytes; decreased NK cells.
Loneliness
Decreased NK (Natural Killer Cell) activity.
Chronic stress
Decreased T-cells; decreased NK cells; decreased B-cells; increased blood levels of Epstein-Barr virus.
Divorce/separation/poor marital quality
Decreased lymphocyte function; increased blood levels of Epstein-Barr virus; decreased T-cell effectiveness.
Expressed need for power and control
Decreased NK activity; decreased lymphocytes.
Negative behavior during discussions of marital problems
Decreased NK activity; decreased macrophages; increased blood levels of Epstein-Barr virus; increase in certain T-cells; decreased immunity by mitogen tests.
Positive States
Satisfying personal relationships and social support.
Increased lymphocyte function; increased NK activity; increased immunity by mitogen tests; increased immune response to hepatitis B vaccine.
Personal sharing and disclosure of traumatic experiences
Increased lymphocyte response.
Humor and laughter
Increased Immunoglobulin A; increased lymphocyte count and activity.
Hypnosis and relaxation techniques.
Increased T-cell effectiveness; increased NK cell activity; decreased blood levels of stress hormones; decreased blood levels of herpes virus.
Physical exertion and aerobic exercise
Increased number of white blood cells; increase in endorphins; increase in certain immune chemicals; increased NK cell number and activity; increased T-cells; decreased T-cell effectiveness; decreased lymphocyte function.
Group intervention and support
Increased NK cell number and activity; increased number of lymphocytes; decrease in T-helper cells.
Reference: Kiecolt-Glaser, J.K., Garner, W., Speicher, C.E., Penn, G., and Vlaser, R. "Psychosocial Modifiers of Immunocompetence in Medical Students." Psychosomatic Medicine 46 (1984).
www.mnwelldir.org/docs/healing/bodymind.htm
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Body-Mind Connection
Question: Can you help me understand more about the whole "body-mind" connection idea? I was in a conversation with one of my dear friends and she told me her mother had had cancer, but that she then had a miraculous "healing" by utilizing her mind to heal her body. I have always been fascinated by things like hypnosis and the power of the mind over matter. How does this really work?
Answer: The thoughts you think and the things that stimulate your senses have a measurable affect on health. Western science has now proven this is so. In his series "Magical Mind, Magical Body" Dr. Deepak Chopra, famous author, endocrinologist and former chief of staff of New England Memorial Hospital, tells us that just the split second of seeing or hearing a terrible thing decreases the effectiveness of the immune system. Luckily, he says, the reverse is also true. Think how refreshed and alive you feel when you witness a beautiful sunset at the beach, or on a mountaintop. Seeing these peaceful and beautiful things in life, that put you into a contented or happy emotion, instantaneously enhances immune function and physiology for greater health.
This connection of mind and body is called "psychoneuroimmunology and explains why some patients, seemingly beyond hope, have miraculously turned around to thrive. When coaching clients one of the first things we do is remove negative thought patterns and self-talk. We concentrate heavily on increasing the amount of time spent in states of happiness and joyful emotions. Not only will this go a long way to improving health, but staying happier a greater percentage of the time enhances ability to perform, achieve, have better relationships and a better quality of life.
To learn more I recommend you start with two classics: "Quantum Healing: Exploring the Frontiers of Mind/Body Medicine," by Deepak Chopra, M.D., and "Minding the Body, Mending the Mind," by Joan Borysenko, Ph.D.
www.bluesuitmom.com/health/holistic/healing.html
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Holistic health practitioners see the connection between mind, body and spirit and treat their client’s physical and emotional ailments as a whole. They acknowledge that all of these aspects of being are interconnected. Modern medicine is beginning to acknowledge this connection and more and more doctors are prescribing supplements, exercise and stress reduction techniques. In some cases, massage, acupuncture and other alternative therapies are recommended as supplemental care.
This body mind connection occurs through vehicles called meridians. We have thousands of meridians, which are energy channels that run throughout the body and are associated with our organs. In eastern medicine, this energy flow is referred to as chi or prana in Indian traditions. Prana means life force.
If this life force becomes blocked from trauma and/or from life’s demands (popularly know as stress), illness can occur. Illness can manifest in many forms. Stiffness in the body to acute pain, a weak immune system, or organ problems.
These blocks in our life force can slow one’s progress toward creating a satisfying life. For example, one can be too ill or in too much pain to try new things. Illness often causes depression, which can inhibit one’s ability to create the relationships one needs to succeed. Also, one’s creativity can be blocked by the stress in one’s life. When our creativity is blocked, we will never truly be able to assess what it is that moves us to a place of fulfillment and bliss.
Instead, we want to bring our bodies to a place where our life force energy flows freely. This flow can occur only with a dedicated mind. A mind committed to health and well being. The first step is to pay attention to our breathing. If we fill our body with oxygen, we become energized and at the same time relaxed and our life force grows stronger. It is essential for optimal health that we bring oxygen into all of our cells. Is your breathing deep and relaxed?
A larger concept, called Self-Care, is new to many of us led to believe our bodies are invincible, until we are faced with a severe illness or injury. The loss of health happens to the best of us when we stop paying attention to what our body needs.
www.neholistic.com/articles/0025.htm
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What's a Chakra?
Chakra is a Sanskrit word meaning wheel, or vortex, and it refers to each of the seven energy centers of which our consciousness, our energy system, is composed.
These chakras, or energy centers, function as pumps or valves, regulating the flow of energy through our energy system. The functioning of the chakras reflects decisions we make concerning how we choose to respond to conditions in our life. We open and close these valves when we decide what to think, and what to feel, and through which perceptual filter we choose to experience the world around us.
The chakras are not physical. They are aspects of consciousness in the same way that the auras are aspects of consciousness. The chakras are more dense than the auras, but not as dense as the physical body. They interact with the physical body through two major vehicles, the endocrine system and the nervous system. Each of the seven chakras is associated with one of the seven endocrine glands, and also with a group of nerves called a plexus. Thus, each chakra can be associated with particular parts of the body and particular functions within the body controlled by that plexus or that endocrine gland associated with that chakra.
All of your senses, all of your perceptions, all of your possible states of awareness, everything it is possible for you to experience, can be divided into seven categories. Each category can be associated with a particular chakra. Thus, the chakras represent not only particular parts of your physical body, but also particular parts of your consciousness.
When you feel tension in your consciousness, you feel it in the chakra associated with that part of your consciousness experiencing the stress, and in the parts of the physical body associated with that chakra. Where you feel the stress depends upon why you feel the stress. The tension in the chakra is detected by the nerves of the plexus associated with that chakra, and transmitted to the parts of the body controlled by that plexus. When the tension continues over a period of time, or to a particular level of intensity, the person creates a symptom on the physical level.
The symptom speaks a language that reflects the idea that we each create our reality, and the metaphoric significance of the symptom becomes apparent when the symptom is described from that point of view. Thus, rather than saying, "I can't see," the person would describe it as keeping themselves from seeing something. "I can't walk," means the person has been keeping themselves from walking away from a situation in which they are unhappy. And so on.
The symptom served to communicate to the person through their body what they had been doing to themselves in their consciousness. When the person changes something about their way of being, getting the message communicated by the symptom, the symptom has no further reason for being, and it can be released, according to whatever the person allows themselves to believe is possible.
We believe everything is possible.
We believe that anything can be healed. It's just a question of how to do it.
Understanding the chakras allows you to understand the relationship between your consciousness and your body, and to thus see your body as a map of your consciousness. It gives you a better understanding of yourself and those around you.
What else is there?
www.healer.ch/Chakras-e.html
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 01:53:11:
Hi guys,
I was posting my own experience - as I said, I was regarded as a chronic incurable case, and I would have been in exactly the same un-optimistic mindset as Terry or D. in the middle of it. I was lucky enough to strike the acupuncture treatment, and a little lowcost book, 'Alternatives to chemical medicine' which made the acid constitution link. Both together did the trick. It's with HINDSIGHT that I know the pain while it FELT real was emanating from an obscure source, which i DESCRIBE as 'in the mind' for lack of a more specific description. D, you sound very tense and a bit defensive about my post; surely a defensive state of mind is going to be conducive to ongoing pain rather than counter it? I'm speaking from a very similar medical experience to terry's, and it's interesting that people 'hang on to their pain'. I would have been equally defensive at the same stage of illness. I was very confronted by the evaporation of the pain, because it made it appear that I had been malingering. I sure have embraced being pain-free now. I don't put the healing down to a 'change of mind' but to the holistic way Chinese medicine works. This conversation between you and Gabriella was doing just what the disease wants you to do: break the body and mind down into a 'scientific' cause-and-effect jigsaw that will always miss the big picture.
I have to say I'm puzzled by such a negative response to my post. With my having outlined a success story, why not at least open your mind to the same path, if it has been shown to work - and Walt appears to endorse it?
Jane
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Jane [111.1399] on December 29, 2005 at 05:07:11:
I really am glad for you, really. But I think I misunderstood your explanation of the cause of the pain.
(un-optimistic mindset as Terry or D)
I really don't get where you think Terry is un-optimistic and as for me I have improved tremendously without having to continue meds or any other treatment. I did however have to change. There is NO question in my mind, not only from my own experience but many others in my shoes, that had I continued to do the same repetitious work I would not be even able to post this reply. And it was Walt who gave me the advice for the Omega 3s which I feel has helped also for I know I don't get enough in my diet. That's what brought me to this board.
Although Walt didn't mention acupunture, I have wanted to include it but haven't the means to. I've stated there isn't a practicing acupucturist near me. As long as I continue to use my hands and arms in the manner I have to at work, I may have to start the excercises again, which I don't do faithfully.
I'm sorry I offended you but I know when and why I get pain when I do and for the most part it is a physical activitiy or change in weather that starts the pain. And a change in weather but I can't speak for Terry on her pain I can only speak for myself and those I know personally that have discussed it with me in detail.
I don't feel it is a disease but an injury that I caused myself and have only myself to correct. I did however miss your post where you told terry about your excercises. I thought you were in a way blaming her for her pain, which I believe is unfair.
D
In Reply to: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by gabriella [87.890] on December 29, 2005 at 04:00:02:
Thank you so much Gabby. I'll read more later. I didn't get much sleep last night. But for good reasons.
I really didn't mean for this to drag out either but there were (and still is actually) questions about Jane's meaning behind her post.I was agreeing at first only wanting to warn of the possible problem with the mind over matter issue but as she described more I think I may have misunderstood.
I may be blind but I only saw frustration from pain from Terry and I've been in her shoes. I believe the mind has endless power to heal but I know the tendonitisI have doesn't exist only in my mind and Jane cleared my misconception of that up with her in another post.
I was at the beginning of my reply to terry trying to explain how whatever treatment she uses for pain can also cause a problem. Say for instance she does decide to do the cortisone shot, or acupuncture. If she doesnt allow the tendons to heal before overusing again she will re injure the tendons. I learned this lesson the hard way.
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by gabriella [180.890] on December 29, 2005 at 00:42:03:
Thanks Gabby.
In Reply to: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by gabriella [87.890] on December 29, 2005 at 04:00:02:
(Think how refreshed and alive you feel when you witness a beautiful sunset at the beach, or on a mountaintop. Seeing these peaceful and beautiful things in life, that put you into a contented or happy emotion, instantaneously enhances immune function and physiology for greater health.)
This is what I learned to do when I dealt with depression years ago. I can tell you it helps tremendously but it wouldn't have done the job alone. There are constructive things you can do for things like tenndonitis and depression.
I feel the less control you have over the situation, whatever illness, the more this will help. But to disregard the circumstance that led to the injury or illness would only threaten to put one in jeopardy again.
I feel everyone has within them this knowledge and it surfaces when one is in dire straights.Kind of a self defense mechanism(sp?) But how much more helpful it can be though to be able to use this method before one gets so far.
Thanks again for the link Gabs.
D
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 09:06:41:
You're welcome D.
In Reply to: Re: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 10:12:48:
Yeah D. the mind is a crucial component of healing but doing whatever else you need to do is certainly advisable as well. Just remember that often times part of the circumstances that lead to the illness are from the mind, such as stress and negativity, and just as the mind can be part of the cause, it can be part of the cure. The point is that the body and mind are together as a unit, not separate compartments.
You're right about everyone having this knowledge and that some only utilizing it when nothing else is
left.
I'm glad you appreciate the links and good health to you!
gabs
In Reply to: Re: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 09:05:40:
You're welcome D., I hope you got more sleep.
I didn't think this discussion dragged out too much at all because we had a chance to talk about some important concepts. Because I butt in here, so I felt like it was time for me to go but not for the rest of you.
Again, it was probably a combination of factors that caused the tendonitus and a combination of factors that maintained it. As well, it will be a combination of factors to cure it, one of them being the mindset. I agree with you, once the pain and injury is there, one has to be very cautious about how they use that body part, absolutely!
In Reply to: Re: very worried posted by Jane [111.1399] on December 29, 2005 at 05:07:11:
This conversation between you and Gabriella was doing just what the disease wants you to do: break the body and mind down into a 'scientific' cause-and-effect jigsaw that will always miss the big picture.
True, but I hope between what I've said and the material I shared from the links, that you see I contributed to explaining/discussing/sharing the holistic philosophy you were advocating in the first place.
In Reply to: Re: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by gabriella [87.890] on December 29, 2005 at 13:29:54:
Good health to you Gabs and have a Happy New Year, all year long!!
In Reply to: Re: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by gabriella [87.890] on December 29, 2005 at 13:35:01:
I really didn't get enough sleep and I'm one of the unfortunate ones who needs the right amount. Not too much and not too little.
I've sure not accomplished anything today but I'm on vacation so it's all good. Trying to find things to keep me occupied that doesn't require much effort :)
I'm afraid though I may be hooked on the new yahoo game cubis. And it reaffirms my knowledge that I wouldn't be able to have a "sit down" job cause my neck and back ache from sitting at the pc. Guess I'll have to get hubby to massage.
Have a great night.
D
In Reply to: Re: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 17:23:41:
Thank you D., and a very happy year to you too!!!
In Reply to: Re: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by D [2017.1351] on December 29, 2005 at 17:28:48:
Yeah, me too D., I don't do well on too little sleep. Well so you're on vacation, then I hope you play cubis and anything else to your heart's content. Kick back, enjoy, and get that hubby of yours to give you as many massages as he possibly can. Do they come with anything else attached?
I see you in a very active job, regardless of the aches and pains, it seems to fit your personality.
Feel good and enjoy your vacation, rest up because, Jan. is your big month and you know it!
gabs
In Reply to: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by gabriella [87.890] on December 29, 2005 at 04:00:02:
Thanks, Gabriella.
Amen!!!!!!!!!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: P. S. THE BODY/MIND CONNECTION Re: very worried posted by gabriella [180.890] on December 30, 2005 at 02:28:00:
(Do they come with anything else attached?)
Yes they do, and sometimes I just want a massage :(
(Feel good and enjoy your vacation, rest up because, Jan. is your big month and you know it!)
Thanks. Did I tell you my boss gave me some helpers? Boy did I need them. Now I can concentrate more on quality.
Are you on vacation from school? Having a good one?