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Oh my god. I just got off the phone from a long converation with Tracey's pediatrician, who is a holistic doctor. She was concerned when I told her about the MO and psyllium I've been giving her. She realizes it's working, but she said that all that psyllium fiber will irritate the lining of the intestines and could cause a worse problem later, affecting the peristalsis. When I asked about prevention she said that if I'm going to do this therapy, fennilgreek tea every day may help the inflamation. She's concerned that I may be hurting her. Now I really need advice. Please tell me, keeping in mind that she's only 11. I don't want to cause a condition that she mentioned where the irritation could stop her functions.
It's very confusing to me - there seems to be a great hazard in every therapy I try and I'm so afraid of harming her. Do you think that the mineral oil and psyllium combo really will not lead to intestional irritation over a long period?
The other thing she said is that eventually she'll need more and more psyllium which isn't good for her. She said not to go over 1 TBL a day, and she thinks that like everything else, it will lose effectiveness.
Please advise! Thank you and please don't get annoyed - I just want to fix this awful problem in the safest way possible. If you could, do let me know soon!
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? posted by Wendy on February 26, 2001 at 20:31:26:
Pysllium CAN be irritating. flax fiber would be better. Possibly Bentonite clay? Dr. Stoll?
Rich
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? posted by Rich on February 26, 2001 at 20:33:10:
Rich,
Does Flaxseed powder work as well as psyllium? Would I use the same amount as I'm using (1 TBL/day?) It's not irritating at all?
Thank you for the incredibly quick response!
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? posted by Wendy on February 26, 2001 at 20:41:20:
it is not as powerful as psyillium. You could probably divide the doses up and take it several times a day. Double-check with Dr. Stoll before attemtping but this should be fine.
The pysllium may not even be causing much of a problem. How does she feel while taking it? any increase in symptoms or decrease?
Rich
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? posted by Rich on February 26, 2001 at 21:09:28:
No, she feels absolutely fine right now. But I worry about the future - it may start irritating her intestional wall. What a shame, because the therapy was really helping her and I wanted to continue exactly as we were doing. Also, I'm disturbed to think that she'll have to take more and more psyllium. The one thing I never understood was why she needs to have two bowel movements a day to be cured. Why not just one?! That would sure make life easier for both of us.
I hate to stop a good thing but I hear so much conflicting advice between my doctor and Dr. Stoll.
Thank you again!
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? To answer Rich's question: posted by Wendy on February 26, 2001 at 21:24:49:
Rich is NOT a doctor, get your advice from Dr Stoll.
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? To answer Rich's question:WENDY? posted by Bethanne on February 26, 2001 at 22:16:23:
"Rich is NOT a doctor, get your advice from Dr Stoll."
She can get advice from whoever she pleases! This site is set up so anybody can answer posts, even an ass like you. At least Rich knows his stuff and tries to help others. Good work Rich!
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? To answer Rich's question:WENDY? posted by Leave Rich alone on February 26, 2001 at 23:52:43:
This is tough. Even among health proffessionals you will often find conflicting advice. This is why the "second opinion" is common place. What did your doctor say you should do?
Psyllium or any nutrient is not a cure-all for anything. you make a good point by being worried by taking more and more.
If you want to talk about it, please tell me again what is going on and what you were told to do by both your doctor and doctor stoll.
You can't help by now to see the large amount of posting making it abundantly clear that I am not a doctor. This is very true. I would never tell you or anyone to do anything without first discussing it with your doctor. What I do is merely give options and help people get their minds on a good path. I feel that I help people think things through and try to help people discover what is going on with them. I encourage them to get testing whenever possible to help them help themselves. I always feel that giving people or helping people to understand what is going on inside them or to help them figure it out is better than simply offering a cure or remedy. Without understanding, problems are likely to come back. So, for the most part, I am just a person who has some conventional and alternative medicine knowledge (due to my own health challanges that I sought help from more than 30 health practioners) that feels he has the ability to help people through their own problems. See, I didn't have anyone to guide me or to help me. I was on my own and I either believed a doctor or not. So, I took it upon myself to learn as much as I could about diet, the body, natural medicine. I read many medical journals, I read books written by authorities in medicine and I even studies under doctors and nutritionists because they "taught while they healed". I had great teachers and I just want to share my knowledge. some people just don't care and would rather hang me than except me. Well, I can't turn those people but I can still help the ones who want to be helped. Just though I would share that with you.
Rich
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? posted by Wendy on February 26, 2001 at 20:31:26:
Hi, Wendy.
You are NOT harming her! You only need to do this for a few months anyhow even if you were. How much harm do you think her present condition is doing her AND your psychological relationship with her.
You are going to have to decide who to believe and go with that. So far no one else has been able to help you.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? posted by Wendy on February 26, 2001 at 20:41:20:
Wendy.
I have no problem with flaxseed powder. I have said that ANY fiber, given in sufficient amount to get 2 bowel movements a day, will work for what we are trying to do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll and Rich - one more question please! Or maybe two? posted by Walt Stoll on February 28, 2001 at 11:18:12:
Dear Dr. Stoll,
There is just one thing that has never been addressed in your information about getting over encopresis. You stress having 2 bowel movements a day. Right now she's feeling great and having one BM a day using the following: 1 TBL of metamucil and 1 TBL of mineral oil, acidopholis and recently 1 teaspoon of flaxseed meal per day. What I never understood is why she has to have 2 per day to get over this. I fear that giving her enough of the above meds to make two a day could drain her system and result in certain imbalances - kind of like diarrhea. So here come the questions:
1) Why is one BM a day insufficient? I notice a controversy on the net about that too, so it may be helpful to others also to address this question in full.
Also I was confused with your answer about the wetting accidents.
2a) Could the swelling in her intestines from psyllium cause pressure on the bladder to cause incontinence?
b) If not, what exactly do you think is causing it? It's a recent occurrence.
3a) Is flaxseed less irritating to the intestines than metamucil?
b) Is 1 TBL of flaxseed equal in effectiveness to 1 TBL of psyllium?
4) Will her body get used to the above amount of meds she's taking and will she have to take more and more? I thought that since the MO and psyllium creats bulk and lubrication, this mechanical process would always work once we found the right amounts. Does this stop working for some reason and necessitate increased amounts of psyllium?
I was hoping to cut down in a few months.
I'm sorry if I'm being tiresome about this. It's just that I need such specific information to be knowledgeable enough to treat this 11 year old girl. If it was just for me, I wouldn't care!
Thank you as always. I look forward to your response.
In Reply to: For Dr. Stoll please - treating older child's chronic constipation posted by Wendy on February 28, 2001 at 12:42:07:
Hi, Wendy.
In order of the questions:
1. A small % will resolve even this far advanced problem with once a day. I thought you were eager to get this over with and wanted 100% results.
2.Her muscles are very confused right now since this has gone on for so long. This is one reason for the twice a day bowel movement. They have to be retrained and that takes repetition. Again, she may be lucky and once a day be enough. It still will take longer. From what you are saying about her present success I am hopeful (only).
3. Depends totally on the individual and the effect you see.
4. THESE ARE NOT MEDS! The only thing that is needed is for her bowel to be retrained and then you can gradually get her off it.
Hope this helps.
Walt
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