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Not Costochondritis

Posted by Jess w on November 04, 2003 at 12:06:06:

I wrote a few times regarding a popping in my ribcage and some pain on the right side (although I haven't been experiencing this so much lately). I blamed it on costochondritis just because nothing else seemed to explain it, but, I'm now seeing a good physical therapist. It turns out that all my problems are related to several facet joints in my spine that have lost their mobility. Again, probably due to the pregnancy, and exacerbated by the fact that my abdominals are weak from the pregnancy as well, which has caused instability in those joints.

The first adjustment he gave GREATLY reduced the popping in my chest.

Relaxation is good advice for anyone though--I don't discount it. Maybe it would help me loosen the muscles in my back that have spasmed and locked my joints into place.



Re: Not Costochondritis

Posted by Kristen B on November 04, 2003 at 13:00:50:

In Reply to: Not Costochondritis posted by Jess w on November 04, 2003 at 12:06:06:

Did you notice sore spots on your ribs as well? What you are describing is what my chiropractor is telling me for my symptoms, but after a few months of getting adjusted, I am not feeling a whole lot better. This has been going on for 3 years now. What has rehab done for you? I'm thinking I need to do this also for the popping I have in my left ribs.



Re: Not Costochondritis

Posted by Jess W on November 04, 2003 at 15:10:06:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis posted by Kristen B on November 04, 2003 at 13:00:50:

My problems are all on the right side--and yes, I had soreness in the rib area on the right side. It eventually went away on its own, even before I started physical therapy. I have good days and bad days with the pain, which my therapist says is normal. Has your chiropractor recommended any exercises? My therapist says that the popping is because of instability in my joints, but that the instability itself is probably caused by weak abdominal muscles, so you need to strengthen those muscles in order to get any permanent relief. I don't know yet if it will really help since I just started the treatment, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.



Re: Not Costochondritis

Posted by Kristen B. on November 04, 2003 at 15:32:16:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis posted by Jess W on November 04, 2003 at 15:10:06:

My chiropracteor has me doing situps on this big ball. So far I am not better. (2 months of treatment) I have had the sore spots on my ribs on and off for about 6 months now. Sometimes the soreness goes into the soft muscle of my stomach on the left side. What types of excercises are you doing? Is it sort of like yoga? I have a really great abdominal tape that I have done in the past. Mabey I should be doing that...



Re: Not Costochondritis (Is it a duck?) Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 05, 2003 at 07:21:43:

In Reply to: Not Costochondritis posted by Jess w on November 04, 2003 at 12:06:06:

Thanks, Jess.

Now the question is WHY this happened and the answer is BRACING. Without dealing with that the problem will continue to recur. Call it what you will but this is costochondritis until proven otherwise: If it quacks like duck, waddles like a duck, swims like a duck and tastes like a duck, it probably IS a duck.

Walt



Re: Not Costochondritis

Posted by Sally on November 05, 2003 at 09:16:05:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis posted by Kristen B. on November 04, 2003 at 15:32:16:

Kristin, If trigger points or small contractions in the muscle are not released, it will take forever to stretch them out. Those contractions shorten the muscle and it doesn't function the way it should.



You took the words right out of my mouth

Posted by ph on November 05, 2003 at 09:25:35:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis (Is it a duck?) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll on November 05, 2003 at 07:21:43:

I wanted to say this so badly, but, decided to wait for the expert for fear I would not be believed.



my costo

Posted by ph on November 05, 2003 at 09:38:38:

In Reply to: You took the words right out of my mouth posted by ph on November 05, 2003 at 09:25:35:

Years ago I went to a chiro who kept adjusting my rib. It was giving me a great deal of pain (front wrapping around to back) since it was twisted in its' socket. I didn't know about costo then and she never gave it a name. It was just twisted. No answer as to why it was twisted. Just kept trying to adjust it back. This never worked or provided any relief.

I discovered costo/bracing myself. Only skilled relaxation (meditation) worked. It didn't just "help." It got rid of it instantly and completely (for me).

costo = bracing

bracing = tense muscles

tense muscles = pressure on ribs/spine

pressure on ribs/spine = pain/twisting/things moving/things not moving


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Re: You took the words right out of my mouth

Posted by Jess W on November 05, 2003 at 11:59:30:

In Reply to: You took the words right out of my mouth posted by ph on November 05, 2003 at 09:25:35:

Didn't realize I would be triggering so much reaction as to what the problem REALLY is--

I guess the bottom line is, who cares what it's called as long as you're doing something to get rid of it?

I am optimistic that the physical therapy will help me. As I said before I don't discount relaxation as a useful form of treatment--I have several books on yoga and have begun using the section on relaxation--lying flat on the floor focusing on breathing--takes 15-20 minutes. Although this is near impossible for someone like me because I have very young children that I am with virtually 24/7.

Of COURSE I have tight muscles (i.e. bracing.) The past year has been very stressful for me--birth of a new child, then shortly afterwards finding out that my uncle had lung cancer and was going to die. It was horrifying. He died back in February and since then I have slowly come to terms with things. It was a major family crisis, but now I no longer feel anxious all the time, and the pain that I had is gone. My problems now are more of an annoyance really--but I feel that they are slowly fading.



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Re: Not Costochondritis

Posted by Kristen B. on November 05, 2003 at 12:22:49:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis posted by Sally on November 05, 2003 at 09:16:05:

Sally, is this why I need rolfing? What can fix this...



Re: Not Costochondritis

Posted by Sally on November 05, 2003 at 17:00:57:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis posted by Kristen B. on November 05, 2003 at 12:22:49:

Rolfing is a very intense stretching of the muscles manually. Trigger point therapy isn't quite as intense but you will get results. Either one can release those contractions and actually you can do some of it yourself. You just apply pressure on the right spot and force the muscle to "uncontract" I guess. It was a surprise to me when I first encountered this therapy and all the doctors I went to for help never told me about it until I went to an orthopedic surgeon. He half-heartedly suggested it for my back problems which actually started with a hamstring problem that worked up my back and up to my shoulder and jaw. These things escalate you know. The surgeon's rehab center had a therapist who really knew how to do soft tissue work but they only worked on you for about ten minutes. If you go to a regular trigger point therapist they will give you a full half hour or hour and it's much more effective that way. I do recommend it.

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Re: Not Costochondritis

Posted by Jess W on November 06, 2003 at 08:56:22:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis posted by Kristen B. on November 04, 2003 at 15:32:16:

Yeah, my exercises I would say are more yoga like--start on all fours, down into child's pose, back up again, back down again. This helps stretch the back. The variations go on from there. I also do other yoga on my own anyway--full squat is helpful for the spine, also downward dog, and cat. But don't do the cobra if you have facet joint trouble. The yoga book on stress relief that I have says do these positions to promote a healthy spine, but complement them with breathing/relaxation exercises.



exercises

Posted by ph on November 07, 2003 at 01:50:19:

In Reply to: Re: Not Costochondritis posted by Jess W on November 06, 2003 at 08:56:22:

This made me remember some little exercises I was told to do -- way back when I went to the chiro. Standing in the doorway with my forearms against the doorframe and stretching out the chest muscles. And, of course, the chiro adjustments. None of it helped at all.

You're right, it really doesn't matter what it's called or not called. It's still happening for the same reasons. The pain may subside, but always comes back and in varying degrees.

The exercises and chiro visits are an inconvenience and expense. I just have to tell you, skilled relaxation gets rid of it -- completely. No bother with doctors or special, useless exercises. (For me) the pain disappeared in less than a week of meditation. I haven't meditated in a very long time and still the costo hasn't returned. But, if it does, I know what to do to be rid of it in just a few days.



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