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Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by
stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 10:00:17:

I have waited for over 4 months to see a rheumatologist on the NHS in england expecting him to say i have costo and now am told it is not.
I have had problems with my chest and back for months and was told by my doc i may have costo and given all sorts of antibiotics/anti-inflammatries/pain killers etc but nothing really worked for me. I found this site and read up on costo and started doing SR and watching my diet and running/walking regularly to try and keep my fitness levels up so that i can return to building (work) and still be able to do it ok. The SR has worked wonders for my mental state as i got a bit depressed not having any money and being unable to work due to the pains i was suffering but it did/has done nothing for the costo itself.
Upon seeing the specialist (rheumatologist) and having various x-rays and blood tests i was told that the inflammation was not in the right areas to be costo and that i should double the dose of my NSAI`s to 800mg 3-4 times a day and try and return to work. Aparrently the inflammation in my left chest is directly behind the nipple area and not near the sternum as it would be if i had costo and the inflammation in my left side back is around and under my shoulder blade/plate and not near the spine as apparently it would be.
So anyway i went back to work this week and took it easy as best i could and the day after i had pressure in my chest again which feels like its pushing against my lung and my shoulder blade/plate whatever you call it is grinding/clicking against the ribs when it moves around and is burning inbetween the ribs/plate.
I am really annoyed as i cannot work yet and cant afford to see someone from my own pocket so it looks like i have to wait another couple of months to see another so called specialist who will tell me i am ok again.
Does anyone here know what this could be?
I am beginning to think i might have arthiritus or something and feel pretty much alone on this one as no one else that i know of has these symptoms with costo.
The chest i can handle but the shoulder thing is driving me mad and sometimes i get shocks through my left chest when i move my arm and the plate/blade clicks on the ribs in my back.
I am still doing SR after 4 months ish and will do so for the rest of my life as it is good for the mind as well as the body although i have yet to see results with my physical problem.
Can someone give me a clue as to what is going on in my left side chest/back PLEASE

Stuart H



Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by Happygal [11.384] on April 15, 2004 at 10:32:39:

In Reply to: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 10:00:17:

Hi Stuart,

All I can do is tell you my own recent experience. I had dreadful muscle spasms/pain in my left shoulder for two weeks, and already having done SR for 3 years, and already being a massage therapist -- and nothing worked to alleviate it (believe me I tried all the tricks in my massage therapist's bag) -- I was mystified. I posted a message for Ricky DC thinking it was caused by a structural problem. After some dialogue, he recommended detoxification. After three days of a juice fast, my shoulder pain was gone.

Hope this helps. If you decide to fast, study about fasting and learn a lot BEFORE you try it. I can't say for sure it will help, but it doesn't cost anything!

Best wishes,
Jan DeCourtney, CMT



Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by S.H.A.P.E. [138.20] on April 15, 2004 at 11:31:34:

In Reply to: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 10:00:17:

How many of the following the following congested liver "Symptom" are you experiencing?

HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE

SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY A CONGESTED & TOXIC LIVER

1. HAS YOUR GALLBLADDER BEEN SURGICALLY REMOVED Yes______ No ________

2. UPPER and/or LOWER BACK PAIN (especially after riding in a car or sitting for prolonged periods of time).

3. AN UNEXPLAINED HOT FEELING (night sweats - especially between 1:00 and 3:00 AM)

4. HIGH CHOLESTEROL (over 250)

5. CHRONIC FATIGUE

6. UNEXPLAINED STRESS (bracing/tension)

7. TMJ

8. A BLOATED FEELING

9. HEARTBURN

10. ACID REFLUX

11. BELCHING

12. DROWSINESS AFTER EATING

13. INTOLERANCE TO FATTY FOODS (they cause heartburn)

14. SLEEP DISORDERS

15. EARLY SIGNS OF DIABETES (hypoglycemia)

16. MUSCLE ACHES

17. MORNING STIFFNESS

18. DEGENERATIVE DISEASES (Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS. Etc.)

19. MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) allergic reactions to odors like perfume, smoke and household cleansers, etc.

20. COATED TONGUE (white or yellowish looking)

21. FEVER BLISTERS and/or COLD SORES

22. BLURRED VISION

23. BRIGHT SUNLIGHT HURTS YOUR EYES

24. POOR MEMORY

25. TROUBLES CONCENTRATING

26. SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION (lack of desire or extremely fatigued afterwards)

27. HORMONEAL INBALANCE

28. UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT GAIN

29. POTUBERANT ABDOMEN (pot belly)

30. FATTY LUMPS and/or TUMOURS UNDER YOUR SKIN

31. THYROID PROBLEMS

32. FREQUENT INFECTIONS

33. FREQUENT BLADDER INFECTIONS

34. FAINTING

35. DIZZINESS

36. DARK URINE

37. PALE (WHITE) STOOL

38. EDEMA (swelling of the hands, legs, feet and/or back)

39. ASCITES (a buildup of fluid in your abdomen)

40. YOU BRUISE EASILY

41. YOU BLEED EASILY

42. EMACIATED APPEARANCE (unusually thin, regardless of how much you eat)

43. BROWNISH SPOTS and/or BLEMISHES ON SKIN (Liver Spots)

44. RED LOOKING COLOR TO HANDS AND/OR FEET

45. RED PIN-SIZE DOTS ON YOUR STOMACH AREA

46. HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE

47. WHITES OF EYES ARE YELLOW LOOKING

48. GREEN, YELLOW OR ORANGE TINT TO YOUR SKIN

49. IS YOUR SKIN COLOR DARKER ON YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, THAN IT IS ON THE REST OF YOUR BODY (I’m not talking about a sun tan)

50. HYPERSENSITIVE TO NOISE

51. GALLSTONES

52. NAUSEA and/or VOMITING ATTACKS

53. COLD EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)

54. UNEXPLAINED COLD CHILLS (that causes your whole body to shake)

55. NUMBNESS OR TINLING OF THE EXTREMITIES (hands and feet)

56. ARM and/or CHEST PAIN THAT RESEMBLES A HEART ATTACK

57. HEART PALPITATIONS

58. WEAK TENDONS, LIGAMENTS & MUSCLES

59. MUSCLE SPASMS OR CRAMPS

60. OVERBURDENED IMMUNE SYSTEM

61. SORE, PAINFUL OR TICKLISH (toxic) LYMPH’s (Push hard under your arms and under your collarbone area to check for Toxic Lymph problems).

62. HEADACHES AND/OR MIGRAINES

63. CYSTS IN VARIOUS AREAS OF YOUR BODY

64. A CRUSTY BUILD-UP IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.

65. CLENCHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.

WOMEN ONLY

66. UTERINE FIBROIDS

67. OVARIAN CYSTS

68. ENDOMETRIOSIS

69. PAINFUL MENSTUATION

MEN ONLY

70. PROSTATE PROBLEMS

71 EMOTIONAL SYMPTOMS

72 DEPRESSION
72. UNPREDICTABLE FEELINGS OF RAGE, ANGAR & FRUSTRATED
73. YOU HAVE A DEFENSIVE ATTITUDE

74. HAPPY PEOPLE IRRITATE YOU

75. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY PLANNING

76. YOUR MOODS ARE CONSTENTLY CHANGING

77. YOU SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE YELLING OR SCREAMING

78. YOU’RE NEVER HAPPY OR SATIFIED

79. YOU’RE NEVER IN THE PRESENT MOMENT (a distant feeling)

80. YOU EXHIBIT THE PERSONALITY OF A PERFECTIONIST

81. YOU FEEL UNCOMFOTABLE IN THE PRESENCES OF STRANGERS

82. NEGLECT OF APPEARANCE

ADVANCED SYMPTOMS

83. ASTHMA

84. KIDNEY & BLADDER PROBLEMS

85. DIABETES TYPE-2

86. HEART DISEASE

87. ALZHEIMER’S

88. PARKINSON’S

89. CANCER
90. AIDS

91. PREMATURE AGING

The most accurate test for detecting a diseased (not congested) Gallbladder is a “Hide-A Scan”. Gallstones will not be detected on an x-ray or ultra-sound scan, until they are the size of a golf ball.

Old Sage doctors believed that when a patient was seriously sick, regardless if they were experiencing signs of cancer, heart disease, an autoimmune disease, etc., that the “Root Cause” was a congested or blocked Liver and Gallbladder, which occurred three to five years before the onset of their illness. By performing a simple Liver/Gallbladder flush, until all the stones are eliminated, this health problem can be reversed! * S.H.A.P.E. *

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Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by gabriella [87.890] on April 15, 2004 at 12:33:27:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by Happygal [11.384] on April 15, 2004 at 10:32:39:

Hi Jan,

Would it be possible for you to post the details of your juice fast?


Thanks,
gabriella



Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by gabriella [87.890] on April 15, 2004 at 12:36:27:

In Reply to: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 10:00:17:

Hi Stuart,

I have a feeling I've already recommended this to you, but in case I haven't, what about seeing a Naturopathic Physician? As far as the money is concerned, perhaps they will let you make payments. That route has often helped me when my budget has been low. Plus, I would also consider the cleanse and fast mentioned in this post, you have nothing to loose but toxins!


gabriella

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Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by Happygal [11.384] on April 15, 2004 at 12:55:20:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by gabriella [87.890] on April 15, 2004 at 12:33:27:

Hi Gabriella,

I don't mind posting the details, but you know, everyone is different and so what worked for me may not be what is right for another person.

There is a book called "Healthy Fasting" -- available on Amazon (I borrowed from the library) that I think gives some clear and straightforward information about fasting, including information about who shouldn't fast and why. I recommend reading one or two books like this before attempting it.

Terri-Lynn and Thessa know more about fasting than I do, so hopefully they will give some tips, too.

I drank grapefruit juice, aloe vera juice, LOTS of warm water, and some herbal detox teas. Also I had psyllium husk mixed with water once or twice a day to keep the colon moving. Those were things that seemed right for me, but others might do this entirely differently.

It's important to reduce your activities when you are fasting, AND to do some gentle exercise like walking to keep your circulation moving well. When the toxins are released from the tissues, you don't want them to just sit there -- you want them to move and be removed! Hence, mild exercise, psyllium to keep the colon moving, and LOTS of water to keep flushing out the toxins.

Study and learn more before attempting a fast!

Best wishes,
Jan



Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by gabriella [87.890] on April 15, 2004 at 13:14:51:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by Happygal [11.384] on April 15, 2004 at 12:55:20:

Thanks Jan, that's good advice. I've saved your post, and I'll try to check that book out from the library and do some research before fasting.

The funny thing is I'm doing some similar things on my own in the course of my daily life. I drink grapefruit juice [including at this moment] several times a day, as well as green tea. I also eat celery and oat bran daily, and walk often, so in a way I'm already doing it partially, on a daily basis. But I realize it's not the same thing as a fast, just on the same track. Anyway, thanks for your reply, and I'm glad to hear that the fast helped you so much.


Fondly,
gabriella

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Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by
stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 13:32:29:

In Reply to: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 10:00:17:

Ok so ive told you the obvious pains im experiencing and after reading your replys i am considering doing the liver/galbladder flush!
In fact about 5 weeks ago i posted that i was having reactions to foods and came to the conclusion that i had celiac disease and an allergie to dairy, however i have since had pasta/brown bread/milk and cheese etc and have been fine with all of them. I also have a very spotty back which has gradually gotten worse over the last few weeks,constant ringing/sensitivity to sounds,head aches,blotchy skin,dark eyes,cold hands,clenched jaw,achy knees which i thought were from running and pretty much a general feeling of sluggishness especially after eating.
I considered doing the flush after a few people said it would help and to be honest ladies i was a little bit scaredy pants and had put it off, now i see that i really need to do something about and i visited hulda clarks website and have the procedure all jotted down and my colon cleanse tabs are in the cupboard so all i need now is someone to verify whether a flush or juice diet or even both is the way to go!

Yours truly

Stuart H



Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by Ron [1013.81] on April 15, 2004 at 14:59:36:

In Reply to: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 10:00:17:

Hi Stuart,

I wonder if the pain you are experiencing is in the bone itself.
The area that you describe is not where cartilage is present.
If raising your arm on that side (while lying on your back) causes pain then the attachment of your pectoral muscle to the ribs may be inflammed.

If breathing deeply hurts but pressing directly on the bone
hurts more, then I would think that the bone itself is
causing the pain. If it was "costo" even light pressure on the sternum should be painful.
Has your doctor considered Pleurisy, which is an inflammation of the sack surrounding the lungs?

Were you ever injured in the rib area during a fall or car accident, sports injury, a fight, etc?

If that rings a bell, you might want to ask the doc for a Dexa Bone Scan to rule out osteoporosis or a hairline fracture.

Good hunting..
Ron



Re: FOR RON,Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by
stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 17:56:27:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by Ron [1013.81] on April 15, 2004 at 14:59:36:

Hey Ron when i lay like that and raise my arms up and over it feels as though my left side is gonna rip open or something and then my breathing is affected for a while.
All along ive had problems with wheezing and shortness of breath on the left side and in the space of 6 months it hasnt changed much. Do you think i could have pleurisy then and if so how do i get my GP to test for it, are there any other symptoms of it which you know of?
Also does that account for the pain in the shoulder blade ribs area in my back?
Youve got me curious as ive never heard of this before.

Stuart H



Re: FOR RON,Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by Ron [1013.81] on April 16, 2004 at 03:28:41:

In Reply to: Re: FOR RON,Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 17:56:27:

Hi Stuart,

It sounds like raising your arm is tearing some of the attachments of your muscle away from the ribs.

Here is some info on Pleurisy to check out. I am sure that you can find more in the archives on this site.
http://www.uspharmacist.com/index.asp?show=article&page=8_1171.htm

Take care...
Ron



Re: FOR RON,Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by
stuart [279.8] on April 16, 2004 at 04:32:18:

In Reply to: Re: FOR RON,Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by Ron [1013.81] on April 16, 2004 at 03:28:41:

Thanks Ron thats a good read and certainly makes sense of a lot of my symptoms. Six or so months ago i went to the docs with what i thought was a chest infection as i had been living in a damp flat and he gave me anti-biotics on several occasions but they did not help at all. I suppose i did have some sort of infection as opposed to costo which is what i was told it must be. But how come it has lasted for so long and if it is pleurisy caused by an infection then is it treatable after such a long period?
I know im asking a lot but my doc is not in till monday and i would like some answers now just so i have piece of mind.

Stuart



Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by Happygal [11.384] on April 16, 2004 at 09:25:56:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 13:32:29:

Hi Stuart,

Consider doing a fast first, instead of a liver flush -- after reading a few books about how to do one.

My experience with the liver flush was that it is very hard on the liver. I am sure it works really well for many people, but caution never hurts. Also, there may be other ways to work with healing the liver, such as herbs, that are not as hard on the body.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 16, 2004 at 13:12:14:

In Reply to: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 15, 2004 at 10:00:17:

Thanks, Stuart.

Four months of succcessful SR is NOT nearly long enough to resolve it if that is all you do. That is the solution in the long run and you should not stop.

However, Rolfing/Hellerworking is the quicker solution--though not permanent. Add that and see!

You have the diagnosis but not enough understanding.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.)

Posted by gabriella [180.890] on April 16, 2004 at 15:02:24:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 16, 2004 at 13:12:14:

Pardon me for butting in Walt, but I'm just trying to learn.

To summarize what you mean by his 'diagnosis' are you saying that this is just the way his stored stress has manifested itself, and that all he has to do is practice wellness, especially SR, and it should rectify itself?


Thanks,
gabriella



Re: FOR RON,Not costochondritis but something weird going on!

Posted by Ron [1013.81] on April 16, 2004 at 15:02:49:

In Reply to: Re: FOR RON,Not costochondritis but something weird going on! posted by stuart [279.8] on April 16, 2004 at 04:32:18:

Hi Stuart,

If something hurts for a long time it can be harder to treat, but it still should be treated.

You don't want to wait for something to fall off. do you? :(

Ron

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Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.)

Posted by
stuart [279.8] on April 17, 2004 at 03:35:24:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 16, 2004 at 13:12:14:

The thing is though Walt my x-rays did not show inflammation in the correct areas to be costochondritis!
I have looked into pleurisy and my symptoms are very much similar i.e,chest grinding,rubbing upon movement and a feeling of pressure against lung and rib wall lining. These symptoms i have had throughout and as i look back to the beginning of my problems i remember an incident in the gym doing dumbell flyes and something snapped/tore deep in my chest behind the nipple area, Also i had been under some scaffolding at work and as i came out i hadnt cleared the horizontal poles and as i stood upright the end of one hit me directly between two ribs in my back nesr my shoulder blade. I had actually forgotten all about that and as i reach back now i can touch the area and it is very painful, infact if i press even lightly it takes my breath away but only in a very small area.
Is it possible that either one of these are the contributing factor to my problem?
Also around that time i was living in a damp flat and coughing lots too! I think pleurisy sounds like the problem here but wonder whether a blow to the back could cause it,
I know that a viral/chest infection or injury to the chest could cause such problems.
Its got to the point now where my doctor thinks i am a hypochondriac and i dread going to complain about this and that to him, i wish i could still work as i would have gone private months ago but its too uncomfortable and even light duties(upper body movements) take my breath away.
Should i mention pleurisy to him?
I just dont know what to do anymore and before long i wont even be able to pay for my freeserve internet subscription.
HELP!

Stuart



Not costochondritis but something wierd going on! (Archive in costo.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 17, 2004 at 16:48:07:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.) posted by gabriella [180.890] on April 16, 2004 at 15:02:24:

Thanks, Gabriella.

SR is his permanent solution and Rolfing/Hellerworking is his immediate relief.

The lay explanation is in the archives. In a nutshell: If you were forced to hold your arm straight out to your side for a few hours, you would produce the same symptoms in your shoulder. This chronic muscle tension, in the intercostal muscles, presents itself as costochondritis because when these muscles get sore we cannot stop breathing to rest them.

Better explanation in the archives but harder to find.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Not costochondritis but something wierd going on! (Archive in costo.)

Posted by gabriella [87.890] on April 17, 2004 at 20:58:43:

In Reply to: Not costochondritis but something wierd going on! (Archive in costo.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 17, 2004 at 16:48:07:

Thank you Walt.

I personally have experienced painful costo, and I know what you mean about not being able to stop breathing in order to rest the muscles. Every breath caused a muscle spasm, the pain was hell on earth, until I actually calmed myself down mentally.

What I find so amazing is just how many millions of physical manifestations there are of stress, incredible.

namaste

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Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 18, 2004 at 06:40:20:

In Reply to: Re: Not costochondritis but something weird going on! (Archive in costo.) posted by stuart [279.8] on April 17, 2004 at 03:35:24:

Stuart,

It would take a lifetime for xray to show costochondritris and then it wou,ld be called arthritis.

Learn or keep your condition.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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