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How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

If this information is in the archives, I didn't find it.

I've been taking 30 (sometimes 50) mg of CoQ10 twice a day for at least 3-4 months. I also take about 4g of Ester C a day and 800 IU total of Vitamin E daily, for over a year. I've flossed once a day, before bed, and brushed my teeth 3-4 times a day for many years, not always after meals, though :( As of April, I am mercury and decay-free. I have used various natural regular & sensitive-teeth formulas for years (no tartar control), currently use Smile by Jason and a tooth oil in the mornings, always with a sensitive toothbrush.

My gums don't seem to be growing back at all, and I still have some very sensitive areas where the roots are slightly exposed, and several teeth that are extremely sensitive to cold. My gums are not red or inflamed, except occasionally in one little spot, which might be more of a food/chewing irritation. There always seems to be a plaque accumulation on my teeth that I can't get rid of, except for immediately after a cleaning, and when I try to scrape it off, even with a fingernail, I jump.

Is this a long enough trial for the CoQ10, or have I been taking enough of it to tell if it's going to work? One website I found said you'd know in a few weeks, and the dosages I've seen discussed on a few other sites ranged from 30-200mg/day.

Do I need a sonic cleaning unit at home, or an electric toothbrush? I plan to discuss this with my dentist at my appt. later this week, so would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,
Nutmeg



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Helping You on July 29, 2003 at 00:14:41:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

It is far from proven that coenzyme Q10 will regrow gum tissue or even help oral health at all, but testimonials are fairly easy to come by. I would take at least 100mg per day if not 200mg.

Unfortunately, I do not think you will regrow your gum tissue. Your best bet at this point is to brush very lightly with a soft bristle brush. Flossing is fine but don't be rough. Gum graphing can take tissue from denser areas of your mouth, and attach them to areas that are receeding. I hope that helps

-HY



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by
dd on July 29, 2003 at 04:00:42:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Helping You on July 29, 2003 at 00:14:41:

Hi Nutmeg,

I too have receding gums, and found that it is from a
combination of several things. Genetics, bite, stress
and tension (bracing), posture, brushing too much or
too hard, etc.. all play a role in what occurs in the
mouth. I am a violinist and the stress in the neck and
mid back and lower back, from holding up the
instrument and bracing during and after a playing
session, seems to have a huge affect on the muscles
going into the jaw and face, minimizing the flow of the
blood to the gums. I can feel a tremendous difference
when I relax or when I have a massage. It is almost
like I feel the teeth relaxing in their sockets. I don't know
if you hold stress in your body of this sort, but it is a
huge deal. I tried to explain it to my old dentist and he
thought I was off my rocker. He had "never heard of
muscle tension causing a problem with the teeth." Oh
brother. I now have a dentist that is married to a fellow
violinist and he is hip to the unfortunate symptoms to
our teeth that often accompany long hours of playing in
that God forsaken position. You might check to see if
you are holding (bracing) and if so, is your head
forward, or being held in any frozen position? I also
found that the tension in the lower back from playing
causes tremendous tension in the neck (all related of
course)....to prevent further recession, this might be a
good place for you to start.

In regards to the sonic toothbrush, I say go for it. I
bought my first one over eight years ago, and the
recession slowed down tremedously. My teeth feel like
they have just been cleaned by the dentist each time I
brush, and the blood flow to the gums is highly
improved. As well, it is a very gentle approach to
dental care. I have not seen any regrowth on my gums,
but the loss has been greatly decreased. Good luck.



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Mary on July 29, 2003 at 07:58:57:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

Nutmeg,

I have receding gums and have even had to have grafts to build up the gum tissue. I now use a Sonicare toothbrush and the receding had pretty much stopped. You may want to look into getting one.

Hope that helps,
Mary

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Alexandria Dumas on July 29, 2003 at 08:41:00:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

Keep on with your CoQ10. I second (or third) the other posters: run, do not walk, to the store and get a Sonicare toothbrush. Have your teeth professionally cleaned every three months.

And here's one other thing I was told by a friend who had this problem. He took hydrogen peroxide and salt, mixed them up, and with a plunger type device (it's like a large hypodermic needle that he got in the drugstore), sprayed his pockets each night. His gum problems are gone.

Your dentist will probably swear that once you have pockets and receding gums you will always have them and he will want you to have grafts, periodontal treatments, etc. I have another very close friend who did the massive doses of CoQ10 and has reduced her pockets to normal.

Get the Sonicare toothbrush before you do anything else!

My dental hygenist recommended it to me and my teeth cleanings changed dramatically when I started using it.



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 29, 2003 at 10:40:01:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

Hi, Nutmeg.

So far as I know the gums do not grow back--what you have left just gets healthy. I would use 100 milligrams of CoQ10 twice a day until they have been stabilized for a year or so and then gradually stop it.

Walt

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Alex B on July 29, 2003 at 10:48:43:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Alexandria Dumas on July 29, 2003 at 08:41:00:

I live in Mexico and I haven't heard about this sonic toothbrush can you direct me to where I can find some info about it
Thank you



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?--Thank you all...

Posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 10:50:54:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

...for the great suggestions. I'm going to continue with the CoQ10, upping the dose. Will look into getting a Sonicare toothbrush ASAP. Will check with my dentist Thursday to see what he has to say about dental cleaning frequency, reversing recession, etc. I fired my ex-dentist. This new one removed my mercury amalgams, but this is my first visit to him for a cleaning.

One more thing I rediscovered--Dr. Christopher's tooth powder. I used it for a month or two a while back, but I had forgotten about it until I read the replies to a thread I started that's in the dental archives. Got that out last night to brush with & leave on overnight. My teeth definitely feel less coated this morning, so I will continue with that.

For dd, yes, I do brace, but am working on it. See my reply to you.

Thanks a bunch,
Nutmeg



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 10:53:35:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Alex B on July 29, 2003 at 10:48:43:

Here's a link for more info.

http://www.sonicare.com/

Nutmeg



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 11:05:36:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by dd on July 29, 2003 at 04:00:42:

Wow, dd, what an interesting concept. Makes perfect sense. Thanks so much. You've got me pegged, too! I do brace and hold a lot of tension in my body, especially my neck and upper back/shoulders. I developed fibromyalgia after a car accident and another physical/emotional trauma 23 years ago. Have made tremendous progress in the last couple of years, especially the last year in resolving this, and I am doing much better.

Doing SR, postural awareness, making sure I avoid movements and lifting/carrying that aggravate my condition, daily stretching and strengthening exercises, daily walking, regular massage, Rolfing, and neurocranial restructuring, plus emotional healing and all are working together nicely.

My new dentist does TMJ work and mouth splints, which he would love to get me into, but I tell him I'm going to fix myself without his help. My jaw is relaxed most of the time now, and my teeth are apart, but I still find myself pushing my tongue against the back of my top front teeth. Head forward position is something I also work hard at stopping.

I would love to have learned to play the violin, but I can see now how that would have been a real disaster for me. I hope you can continue to play while finding a way to reduce your pain and related problems.

Thanks again...your reply was a big help to me. I'm going to get that toothbrush, today if I can fit it in.

Nutmeg



Re: CoQ10, anyone have a favorite effective brand?

Posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 11:15:05:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

Most of the time I take Country Life, which I can buy locally fairly cheap, but I would prefer one that's got fewer additives. I'm willing to mail order it and spend more, if I can find a good one.

I know most of the information out there says to get CoQ10 with oil in the formulation, but I don't think that's essential because I always take it with my vitamin E and fish oil.

Thanks,
Nutmeg

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?--Thank you all...

Posted by marker on July 29, 2003 at 11:17:39:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?--Thank you all... posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 10:50:54:

Hi Nutmeg,

I have a friend who is a dentist, and has been working with a rather new product (about 3 years old now). The product is Arestin. It is minocycline antibiotic which is encapsuled in a microsphere. The spheres break down in different time frames, allowing for steady release of the antibiotic (for 14 days I believe). The sphere are placed into the gum pocket, and work directly on the infection site. My friend has told me he has had excellent results with this product, used after scaling & root planing. He has noticed significant pocket reductions. I know the last thing most of us on this web-site want to take is anti-biotics, but this may just the thing you need to get the upper hand on the gum bacteria (till the CoQ10, and SonicCare kick in). See what your dentist thinks. I looked up a link for more info.

http://www.arestin.com/consumer2.html

Take Care



Periodontal Disease

Posted by marker on July 29, 2003 at 12:03:09:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?--Thank you all... posted by marker on July 29, 2003 at 11:17:39:

Nutmeg,

A quick follow-up. I e-mailed my friend about Arestin. His hygienist sent back this note. I have cut and pasted it below. This was a real eye opener to me!

"Most individuals prefer not to ingest anti-biotics, myself included. It is very important to remember that Periodontal Disease is an infection. Consider it in this light. An individual with Periodontal Disease has ongoing infections within their gum pockets. If one were to add up the gum pockets area in an average case, we would be roughly talking about an infection the size of a quarter - to larger. Imagine that same infection on the back of your hand. A non-healing wound the size of at least a quarter. How much of a drain of the immune system is an open, on-going, non-healing wound? This is why our office is very aggressive in the treatment of Periodontal Disease, and anti-biotics are a treatment we do utilize. Anti-biotics, applied directly into the gum pockets, can be an excellent way to halt the progression of this disease. I hope this helps. How advanced is your friend's Periodontal Disease? What our office witnesses, time and time again, is the lack of a timely diagnosis. General practice dentists are not quick enough to refer patients to us! This is the fastest growing area of medical malpractice currently. Are you flossing? Flossing can be more important than brushing. We can fix tooth decay, your gums are another story."

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Mike on July 29, 2003 at 16:26:58:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 11:05:36:

Some may want to check out this site in reference to gum disease and preventative dentistry in general.

http://mizar5.com/omedia2.htm

Sort of takes the wind out of most dentists' sails.



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by ktj on July 29, 2003 at 17:59:33:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

Hi Nutmeg,
I used to have "deep pockets" and was told by several dentists that I needed gum surgery and/or grafting. I finally found a doctor who would work with me to heal my gums in a non-invasive way. After 18 months, all the problem areas have improved except for one deep pocket, and the goal there is to keep it stable. Let me share what worked for me:
1) all mercury must come out first
2) at least 3 grams Vitamin C per day
3) no sugar or artificial sweeteners of any kind (including toothpaste --- most contain art. sweeteners ---shop at the health food store)
4) irrigating below the gum line daily with warm water and sea salt, Hope it's okay if I mention the manufacturer who makes the machine (OraTec Via-Jet).
4) have your teeth cleaned every 3 months

Don't let them tell you it can't be done!
Good luck and hope this helps-
ktj

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Alex B on July 29, 2003 at 18:34:22:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 10:53:35:

Thanks for the info. I'm using the Oral B power toothbrush and it's worked very good for me. If this is even better I shall give it a try. Thanks for the info

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by
dd on July 29, 2003 at 18:50:02:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

Hey Nutmeg,

Two other things....when my gum recession started, my
dentist had me brush for him. He found I was brushing
too often and too hard. So, I just wanted to say, don't
feel like you have to push with your new sonicare. Just
allow it to flow over your teeth and angle it up or down
towards your gums as it says in the instructions. It
does the work for you. And, it tickles a bit at first and
you might drool a bit, but it is worth it!! :) have fun!

dd

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? (Archive in dental.) Gum care.

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 30, 2003 at 06:11:17:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by dd on July 29, 2003 at 04:00:42:

Thanks, DD.

I got my first sonic brush this Christmas. I agree with everything you have said in this marvelous post.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? (Archive in bracing.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 30, 2003 at 06:14:48:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 29, 2003 at 11:05:36:

Bravo, Nutmeg!

Now if everyone understood this as well as you, there would be a lot less gum disesse for dentists to treat.

Your "tongue-thrusting" should yield to the diligent practice of SR and the awareness that you are doing it.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? (Archive in dental.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 30, 2003 at 06:15:42:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Mike on July 29, 2003 at 16:26:58:

Thanks, Mike.

Walt

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Sonja on July 30, 2003 at 09:33:05:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

My brother was about to have to have gum surgery (very painful) for the 2nd time until he found a product called Miracle 2. He has been brushing his teeth and gums for over 4 mo now and doesn't need surgery anymore. His dentist can't believe it and my brother won't tell him what he is using because he thinks the dentist will make fun of it. My brother is skeptical about everything but this made a believer out of him.. I'm not trying to sell it but thought you mike like to know. Good Luck.



Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by Nutmeg on July 30, 2003 at 12:59:07:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Sonja on July 30, 2003 at 09:33:05:

Sonja,

Which Miracle II is he using to brush? The neutralizer gel? Does he use the soap with it too?

I've got the gel, liquid neutralizer, and soap, but have only used the liquid a few times for toothbrushing. The doc that got me hooked on Miracle II told me to use one drop (only!) of soap and to wet my brush with either the liquid or the gel. I haven't been brave enough to try the soap with it yet. He said his wife tried it and got too much on her brush and it made her gag!

I believe I will start using at least the gel again. Definitely can't hurt.

Thanks so much for the reminder. They are wonderful, pure products, which I do not sell either.

Nutmeg

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by peterb on July 31, 2003 at 08:49:49:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

my dentist just insisted that i get an electric tb, which is something i had never looked into. so I got it, and boy, do i love it! i won't go back to manual brushing. I have also heard that colostrum applied orally will protect the gums, i don't know if that's true.

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?

Posted by peterb on July 31, 2003 at 08:59:47:

In Reply to: Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Alex B on July 29, 2003 at 10:48:43:

i notice reviews on the Braun are better than Sonicare, plus they are less $$. Check out the 3D Excel dentist.net

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Re: How much CoQ10 for receding gums?--follow-up after dental appt.

Posted by Nutmeg on July 31, 2003 at 21:14:43:

In Reply to: How much CoQ10 for receding gums? posted by Nutmeg on July 28, 2003 at 23:34:22:

Well, I had my dental appointment this morning. It was actually an appointment with the dental hygienist, which is a new concept for me. With the ex-dentist, I saw him for about 10 minutes and the assistant came in to polish my teeth, take notes, and hand him stuff. I was always out in about 20 minutes, unless he wanted to coerce me into x-rays.

This gal today at my new dental office was wonderful. A wealth of information and she spent almost an hour with me! I didn't even see the dentist. She slowly and carefully scaled my teeth, which caused me no pain whatsoever, and polished and flossed them without applying excess pressure or wrenching my jaw around. Now I see what I've been missing for the last 20 years! She said she works for 3 different dentists' offices, and mine is the one she goes to. She said they only measure depth of pockets once a year and mine were done there in December when I had my exam when I was deciding to have my amalgams replaced. The work I had done with that probably changed some of the measurements and she said just having the mercury gone will improve things too.

Here's what she told me:

Stop using the Plax rinse--it just makes your teeth slippery so they feel better and you think the plaque is gone.

Keep using the power Sonicare brush I just got. Use it for 4 minutes once a day before bed. Two days is not enough time to show progress, but my teeth do feel really clean.

The rest of the time, use a manual toothbrush and brush 10 times in each location. She gave me an Oral-B cross-action brush, which she says is great for the back molars and the tongue side of the front teeth.

Stay away from baking soda toothpaste (too abrasive) and tartar control because it makes your teeth more sensitive.

Flossing once a day is fine, because it takes 24 hours for plaque to harden into tartar. Use a rubber tip tool, which I have, to remove any food particles between flossings.

Switch from Glide floss to J&J Reach woven gentle gum care floss. The Glide is fine if your teeth are close together or you have rough silver fillings, but with resin fillings, the tooth margins are smooth and more spacious. You need floss with texture to remove the food particles, plaque, and bacteria. Wrap the floss around each tooth as you floss.

When my pockets were measured in December, most of them were 2s & 3s, with a couple of 4s on the tongue side of the back teeth and in the lower front. Since the only symptom I have is sensitivity to cold and pressure, no bleeding, that's not too bad and is still reversible.

She suggested toothpaste for sensitive teeth, but I have tried 2-3 different ones and none of them helped. The commercial toothpastes are too strong for me, flavor-wise, and they irritate my tongue. She then said I might want to think about using a prescription fluoride gel to help with the sensitivity. I'll have to look into that more, and keep it as a last resort if my other strategies don't work.

So, I'm going to try all this tooth & gum action for a while, in addition to the Vit C & E, 200mg a day of CoQ10, brushing with Dr. Christopher's herbal tooth powder and Miracle II gel as well as my other toothpaste (Jason Nutrismile) and my tooth oil, and working on stopping my bracing and tongue thrusting and relaxing my jaw through SR and bodywork.

Thanks for all the input,
Nutmeg, all smiles

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