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at wits end with pain

Posted by
Emma on September 26, 2003 at 01:55:11:

I have had intermittent upper tooth pain for several months which is now getting worse and my face is aching. Have made several trips to dentist who cannot isolate which tooth is the problem. Xrays and tests show no decay and no obvious problem. Now my lower jaw is starting to ache too. What could be causing this and why is nothing showing up???



Re: at wits end with pain

Posted by Vince F on September 26, 2003 at 02:14:38:

In Reply to: at wits end with pain posted by Emma on September 26, 2003 at 01:55:11:

do you think you could be clenching your teeth ? Anyway,
warm salt water or adding some cayenne might relieve it.



Re: at wits end with pain

Posted by Buzz on September 26, 2003 at 03:59:52:

In Reply to: at wits end with pain posted by Emma on September 26, 2003 at 01:55:11:

Emma, sounds like you are clinching your teeth. Better get a grip on it now before you progress to TMJ. Also have your dentist make you a bite plate to wear at night. Try to keep your teeth apart during the day. Hot compresses applied to the area will help. Also, you may want to try massage by opening your mouth wide and run your fingers down from your cheek to your chin applying pressure to the muscles. May hurt alittle but helps alot. Read the archives...I think Dr. Stoll has some good advice.

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Re: at wits end with pain

Posted by S.H.A.P.E. on September 26, 2003 at 06:16:35:

In Reply to: at wits end with pain posted by Emma on September 26, 2003 at 01:55:11:

Other than grinding and clenching your teeth (stress/bracing) at night, my suggestion would be that your sinuses are impacked, etc. This happened to my wife and she suffered with this problem for over three years before we realized what was happening. Go to a good dentist who "Actually" knows how to read an exray and he can tell if it a sinus problem or not. * S.H.A.P.E. *

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Re: at wits end with pain

Posted by Sally on September 26, 2003 at 07:41:46:

In Reply to: at wits end with pain posted by Emma on September 26, 2003 at 01:55:11:

"Masseter (muscle) trigger points cause pain in both upper and lower teeth, (also sensitive to hot and cold), sometimes resulting in unneccessary dental work. It's necessary to put your thumb inside your mouth and knead the muscle between thumb and fingers. You will feel the tip of your thumb touching the coronoid process (the fin shaped piece of bone rising from near the back of the jawbone). Seek out each exquisitely tender knot and the cheekbone to the bottom of the jaw and massage it as strongly as uo can bear. Work on it every day until no longer sore."

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Re: at wits end with pain

Posted by
michele on September 26, 2003 at 12:58:31:

In Reply to: at wits end with pain posted by Emma on September 26, 2003 at 01:55:11:

It sounds like you are bracing/clenching/grinding. Buy yourself a cheap mouthgaurd at a sports shop...sleep with it a few nights and see if the pain doesn't subside. Also start getting massages!
SR!
Cut out Caf. coffee and sodas if you drink them! (slooowly)

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Re: at wits end with pain

Posted by
Emma on September 26, 2003 at 14:59:03:

In Reply to: Re: at wits end with pain posted by Vince F on September 26, 2003 at 02:14:38:

I am really sure i dont clench my jaw. i have asked people to notice if I am doing it unconsciously and noone says they have seen it. THere is also sensitivity to hot and cold, so why doesn;t an xray show anything??????? How does a doc diagnose sinus being the cause of this???



Re: at wits end with pain

Posted by Buzz on September 26, 2003 at 15:14:48:

In Reply to: Re: at wits end with pain posted by Emma on September 26, 2003 at 14:59:03:

You may be clinching your jaw at night and not know it. Are you under any stress that you can think of. How is the bite of your teeth? Are you suffering or have you suffered from any type of tooth or gum disease?

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Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 27, 2003 at 06:22:23:

In Reply to: at wits end with pain posted by Emma on September 26, 2003 at 01:55:11:

Hi, Emma.

People who are "clenching" RARELY know it and are like you in denial that this could be the problem. Listen to Michele, Sally, SHAPE, Buzz and Vince.

In addition, you need to see a Holistic Dentist (see dentistry archives) about "odontons".

Let us know what you learn and how you do.

Walt



Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.)

Posted by Happygal on September 27, 2003 at 08:49:43:

In Reply to: Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 27, 2003 at 06:22:23:

Hi Emma,

You might go to a massage therapist and tell her you clench. After doing a little massage, she will tell you how tight your jaw muscles are.

Best wishes,
Happygal (Certified Massage Therapist)



Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.)

Posted by Nutmeg on September 27, 2003 at 10:44:38:

In Reply to: Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 27, 2003 at 06:22:23:

Emma,

Are your teeth touching all the time? If so, you are clenching. The only time they should touch is when you are chewing. Don't rely on other people to tell you about this, because they can only see when you are obviously tightening your jaw muscles. Train yourself to be aware of when your teeth are touching, and consciously let your lower jaw drop and relax and your teeth will separate. Is the dental pain worse in the morning? If so, you are likely clenching or grinding your teeth in your sleep.

Massage can definitely help, including inside the mouth, if your massage therapist is allowed to do that in your state. Ask the massage therapist to show you how to do self-massage at home, and see if she has any mouth/jaw stretches or exercises to suggest.

Here is a link to a tooth/organ relationship chart I posted a few days ago. It is someehow related to the term Dr. Stoll mentioned--odontons--which I think refers to the acupuncture meridians and the teeth they pass through.

Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg



Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.)

Posted by Em on September 27, 2003 at 15:25:00:

In Reply to: Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.) posted by Happygal on September 27, 2003 at 08:49:43:

I have a wonderful massage therapist who I am going to try to see this week as I am supposed to be flying to Chicago from New Zealand on Thursday, and have also just discovered I am expecting #4 baby!!!

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Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.) ODONTONS

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 28, 2003 at 06:37:44:

In Reply to: Re: at wits end with pain (Archive in dentistry.) posted by Nutmeg on September 27, 2003 at 10:44:38:

Thanks, Nutmeg!

Exactly what I have been looking for since I had lost my copy.

Namaste`

Walt

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