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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 07:12:28:

Is American Dentistry Killing Us?...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Monday, May 23rd, 2005

Is American Dentistry killing us? Probably. There are certainly good reasons circulating around the campfires to believe so. It's time, I believe, for the North American Health Freedom Movement to focus on Dentistry, and its problems, because what happens in the mouth effects the whole body.

I believe that the American Dental Association (ADA), as the primary representative of Dentistry, is in "siege mode," meaning that their Modus Operandi, these days, seems more defensive of position than promotional of healthy Dentistry.

Why? Because, I think, they are defending, like the tobacco industry did for years, untenable positions. In fact, in my opinion, American Dentistry, as an industry, is far more deadly than tobacco ever was - and I'll tell you why I think so.

(1) American Dentistry's official position on Mercury Amalgams.

If you listen to the nonsense spewed out of conventional dentistry, you hear, from them, that the only safe place to store the deadly toxin mercury is in the teeth. The stories they make up to bolster this claim are ludicrous.

Mercury is OFFICIALLY mega-dangerous before it is installed in the teeth, and is OFFICIALLY mega-dangerous when it is being removed from the teeth. But, according to Dental spokesperson Robert Baratz MD. DDS. PhD, it is perfectly safe while in the teeth - Never mind that University scientists outright laugh at Baratz's claims - he, and Dentistry in general, stick to their statements.

Two thirds of North American Dentists still install Mercury Amalgams. Mercury leaches out from the teeth into the body causing serious health problems. For information on this issue, there is a very good article detailing this problem called "The Dental amalgam Issue - A Terrible Sin Against Humanity."

(2) Cavitations - Dentistry's officially ignored MAJOR health problem...

Susan Stockton MA writes, what I think, is the best article for the layman, about the "Cavitation Issue." It is clear and concise, and written from the patient's viewpoint. In her article called "JAWBONE CAVITATIONS: Infarction, Infection & Systemic Disease" she makes the issue simple, and understandable. You need to read it. Below is a sample:

"Ischemic osteonecrosis (bone death due to poor blood supply) is a disease of the entire skeleton - i.e., it can affect any bone in the body. It is best known as a hip condition, and yet it is actually more common in the jawbone, though unacknowledged as such by mainstream medicine and dentistry.

A jawbone cavitation is simply a hollow space or pocket in the bone. It is not readily visible to the eye and often causes no local discomfort, though it can be the hidden cause of facial pain syndromes (hence one of its names, NICO - Neuralgia Inducing Cavitational Osteonecrosis). The chief initiating factor is trauma to the jaw, often brought on by standard dental treatment."

Of danger to North Americans is the ADA's official position that "Cavitations do not exist," an idea that denies basic science and years worth of teaching in Dental schools. I suspect that their position may have a lot to do with the section written below.

(3) Root Canals - Festering Death Modules...

To properly understand the idea of "root canals" we must first make a comparison. A "root canal" is the process of removing the nerve tissue to a dead, or dying tooth, so that you don't feel the pain. Thank God that Heart Surgeons don't think the same way as Dentists. Imagine going to your MD with chest pains and having them say "No problem, we'll just go in and cut out the nerves to the heart, and your pain will go away."

Uhhmm?

Thank God we don't let Dentists deal with brain tumors, broken arms and legs, bullet wounds, or depression.

One of the originators of "root canals" George Meinig DDS, in a startling interview, tells the truth about root canals. He says:

"Yes, a high percentage of chronic degenerative diseases can originate from root filled teeth. The most frequent were heart and circulatory diseases and he found 16 different causative agents for these. The next most common diseases were those of the joints, arthritis and rheumatism. In third place - but almost tied for second - were diseases of the brain and nervous system. After that, any disease you can name might (and in some cases has) come from root filled teeth."

I read somewhere that "root canals" are a three trillion dollar business, so I don't expect official Dentistry to give them up willingly.

There are those that say that "root canals" are a major cause of "Cavitations..." above.

(4) Flouride in our water - One of the biggest scams foisted on Planet Earth...

The "fluoride issue" is explained in detail on the Fluoride Action Network webpage. There you can sign up for Paul Connett's excellent free newsletter on the subject.

But, to get the gist of the issue from someone not involved in the fight, go read the article written by Devvi Kidd called "GERMANS & RUSSIANS USED FLUORIDE TO MAKE PRISONERS STUPID & DOCILE."

Kidd says, quoting other authoritative research:

"It is a matter of record that sodium fluoride has been used for behavior control of populations. In an "Address in reply to the Governor's Speech to Parliament," [Victorian Hanstard, August 12, 1987, Nexus, Aug/Sept 1995], Mr. Harley Rivers Dickinson, Liberal Party Member of the Victorian Parliament for South Barwon, Australia, made a statement on the historical use of fluorides for behavior control.

"Mr. Dickinson reveals that, "At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Elliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farven chemical plants in Germany. While there, he was told by German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff. This scheme was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."

(5) The organized conspiracy to attack those who try to call attention to the problems above...

North America is known for its promotion of innovation in all aspects of society except one - health care.

In North America, health care has developed into a war. On one side is the status quo, called "medicine." On the other is "health." The two are far from the same. The American public, with their buying habits, is rejecting "medicine" in favor of "health," and despite massive drug marketing campaigns, and brutal raids against competitors to drugs (supplements, electro-medicine, oxygen therapies) by the Big Pharma controlled US Food & Drug Administration (FDA), "medicine" is being sidelined.

It is no secret, in North America, that an organization exists whose primary function is to murderously attack innovators in health care - literally burying them with venom, hatred, lies, and misinformation. It's been going on for years. The group calls themselves the "quackbusters." No studies have ever been done to determine how much suffering and death they have caused - yet.

The "quackbusters" are something of a cottage-industry. It is a money making operation that makes mega-millions, if not mega-billions, for its client base - conventional medicine and dentistry.

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what year did amalgams start being used? nmi

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 07:26:49:

In Reply to: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 07:12:28:

nmi



Re: what year did amalgams start being used? nmi

Posted by Jane (1) [111.1399] on June 11, 2005 at 07:33:14:

In Reply to: what year did amalgams start being used? nmi posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 07:26:49:

Mercury amalgam fillings were in use before the Civil War - and they were regarded as possibly harmful even then!

jane



Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. (Questions)

Posted by Ron [1928.1989] on June 11, 2005 at 08:44:10:

In Reply to: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 07:12:28:

Hi Walt,

Has any country outlawed the use of Dental Amalgam for any length of time to compare outcomes?

Has any country refused to fluoridate the water supply?
What difference is there in the heath of the population?

Could the increase in the percentage of children on Ritalin be tied to the beginnings of fluoridation in areas where it was resisted at first?
Do rural schools with well-water have children on Ritalin
at similar rates to schools in areas with fluoridated city water?
Surely, records exist which can be plotted on a graph.
What a topic for some enterprising Post Graduate study..
(as long as they do not want a job in big business.)

Could fluoridation be the US answer to the excessive number of Baby Boomers who will soon be bankrupting the pension
plans and SS?

Do those who have switched to bottled water actually live longer, have fewer mental problems, achieve higher positions in life etc? Is it ever too late to wean oneself off
fluoride?
How many of us let our tap water sit in the fridge overnight
to allow chlorine and fluoride to evaporate?

Are there any toothpastes which brag that they do not contain fluoride?

Did Forrest Gump consume fluoride or was that inbreeding? :)

Last and not least.. Does Bush and his family ever consume
tap water?

This should be interesting.



Are there any toothpastes which brag that they do not contain fluoride?

Posted by Worried [3395.4] on June 11, 2005 at 09:53:46:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. (Questions) posted by Ron [1928.1989] on June 11, 2005 at 08:44:10:

Yes, Tom's of Maine makes a
toothpaste without flouride.
-W



Re: what year did amalgams start being used? nmi

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 12:19:49:

In Reply to: Re: what year did amalgams start being used? nmi posted by Jane (1) [111.1399] on June 11, 2005 at 07:33:14:

wow- thanks-I had thought they just pulled teeth back then, and I suppose that still might've been a common practice in places where barbers provided the health care-filling teeth might've been for people in cities with access to trained prfessionals. Suppose the quantity of mercury filling was less back then, due to healthier diet (maybe?)
I'm just wondering about correlation with the eriod we started using vaccines and the increase in certain health problems in the last 100 years or less. Of course, the stress and ollution of cities probably contributed, too.

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Nature's Gate and Jason's, too nmi

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 12:22:09:

In Reply to: Are there any toothpastes which brag that they do not contain fluoride? posted by Worried [3395.4] on June 11, 2005 at 09:53:46:

nmi

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Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. (Questions)

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 12:45:33:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. (Questions) posted by Ron [1928.1989] on June 11, 2005 at 08:44:10:

Thanks, Ron.

All good questions. Start with Sweden. In MY opinion, the Bush family is beyond consideration.

Walt

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This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by Worried [2421.4] on June 11, 2005 at 12:53:12:

In Reply to: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 07:12:28:

What is the alternative to a root canal???
I've never had one but have a tooth that's just about shot.
Thanks.
-W



Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv.

Posted by Juli [2364.1399] on June 11, 2005 at 14:47:32:

In Reply to: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 07:12:28:

The holistic dentists just LOVE to point out the money making business of conventional dentists, well, how about how much holistic dentists are charging just to take out amalgams? THey are far worse in scamming money than the conventional dentists.

I wanted to have one or two of my bigger amalgams removed, so I talked with a holistic dentist, talk about taking advantage... the guy wanted well over $1,000, and wanted $500 just for a consult, oh pleasssssssssssseee ,no wonder we have to go to conventional dentists...



Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv.

Posted by W [2421.4] on June 11, 2005 at 15:30:44:

In Reply to: Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv. posted by Juli [2364.1399] on June 11, 2005 at 14:47:32:

Wow, Julie that is bad! $500 for a consult!?!?!?!?

-W

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Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv.

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 16:19:53:

In Reply to: Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv. posted by Juli [2364.1399] on June 11, 2005 at 14:47:32:

you might want to shop around. When my husband had his amalgams out, there wasn't a separate fee for 'consulting'- just the charge for the office visit, which might've been $40 or $50. Having all his amalgams removed cost about $2000, but there were quite a few of them and that included the replacement fillings, besides. The guy he went to used IV vitamin C during the procedures and had an extensive filtering system to deal with anything released into the air during the work.
The above article says only 2/3 of the dentists use mercury fillings- must mean the number of dentists not using mercury is up to 1/3-I find that really encouraging- perhaps, in time, they'll be in the majority-sounds like a trend.



Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. (Questions)

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 16:21:12:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. (Questions) posted by Ron [1928.1989] on June 11, 2005 at 08:44:10:

in the 90's, I heard that Sweden had outlawed mercury fillings for children and for pregnant women and was planning to phase them out for the rest of the population-don't know if that's complete now.

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Re: This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by Naya [120.14] on June 11, 2005 at 17:48:26:

In Reply to: This might be a stupid questions but.... posted by Worried [2421.4] on June 11, 2005 at 12:53:12:

I had one pulled instead of giving in to the pressure to have a root canal. Boy, was I pressured by the dentist, so I went to another one, my own doc's who is a holistic doc.

I don't know of any other solutions. Maybe someone else will know.

Naya

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oh .. no, just when I am losing 4 more teeth.. unbelievable..

Posted by Sedona [1884.81] on June 11, 2005 at 17:49:50:

In Reply to: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 07:12:28:


Oh My, I have not been on this forum for a while
and come on tonight to read.. topic re: Dentistry
I shall peruse the archives.

I have severe bone loss and they tell
one of my choices is: to remove 4 uppers
and get a plate..
needless to say, they suggested implants.
no way.. for me.

I feel my bone loss has been brought on my
chemo, and of course, I am aging..

It is somewhat depressing, to be losing teeth,
however, I do realize it could be much worse.

Not sure whether to let them remove 4 at the one
time, or .. just the one tooth. None of them are bothering me presently, but might not have any plan later on
and want this done while health is stable.

Sedona :)





Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv.

Posted by Naya [120.14] on June 11, 2005 at 17:51:09:

In Reply to: Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv. posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 16:19:53:

My current traditional dentist never uses amalgams any more and hasn't for a long time. Yes, there is hope.

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was using Tom's and there was something in it.. irritating my gums.. Sedona nt.

Posted by Sedona [1884.81] on June 11, 2005 at 17:54:52:

In Reply to: Are there any toothpastes which brag that they do not contain fluoride? posted by Worried [3395.4] on June 11, 2005 at 09:53:46:

pp

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How about the implants.. heavens, the bill and all the work

Posted by Sedona [1884.81] on June 11, 2005 at 17:56:52:

In Reply to: Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv. posted by Juli [2364.1399] on June 11, 2005 at 14:47:32:

that has to be done to get them..
they keep suggesting them to me.
and I have no bone..

incredible!

Sedona..

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Re: oh .. no, just when I am losing 4 more teeth.. unbelievable..

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 21:11:09:

In Reply to: oh .. no, just when I am losing 4 more teeth.. unbelievable.. posted by Sedona [1884.81] on June 11, 2005 at 17:49:50:

I have a theory that all the colon cancer we are seeing is due to dentures- aging people continuing to eat hard to digest stuff into old age. I think Nature, when we lose teeth, is telling us to eat soup, boiled meats, soft cooked beans, peanut butter, scrambled eggs, brown rice ground into hot cereal, etc- or buy a vitamix and juice all your veggies raw.



Re: This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by Happygal [2062.2033] on June 12, 2005 at 06:02:48:

In Reply to: This might be a stupid questions but.... posted by Worried [2421.4] on June 11, 2005 at 12:53:12:

Hi Worried,

I used to work for a dentist, about 20 years ago. The only alternative was to pull the tooth. If you didn't want major problems with your teeth shifting around after that, the next step was to get a bridge (a structure that puts a cap (also called a crown) cemented on each of the teeth surrounding the space connected to a fake tooth in the space) or get a partial denture with a fake tooth on it.

Hopefully, they have come up with a better solution since then. Technology has continued to move forward in the dental profession.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Ann..could be :)

Posted by Sedona [1884.81] on June 12, 2005 at 07:42:10:

In Reply to: Re: oh .. no, just when I am losing 4 more teeth.. unbelievable.. posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 11, 2005 at 21:11:09:


I lost my Dad to colon CA..
and he had terrible teeth..

Just wish there was something that could be
done.. and that does not mean taking Fosamax
or a drug for bone strengthening either..

Ive spent fortunes.. on my teeth..
so far to no avail..

and.. soft foods.. it feels good .. soothing to eat
them.. even pasta.. healthy types..

but I do like crunch cabbage and veggies too.

mind if I lose these 4.. Ill be on soft foods
for a while.

...

S..


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Re: This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 12, 2005 at 08:22:26:

In Reply to: This might be a stupid questions but.... posted by Worried [2421.4] on June 11, 2005 at 12:53:12:

Worried,

Very individual. Extraction (and possible bridge) is about the only option at that late stage but your dentist can list the others.

Walt

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Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 12, 2005 at 08:27:08:

In Reply to: Re: Dont know who are worse, the holistics or the conv. posted by Juli [2364.1399] on June 11, 2005 at 14:47:32:

Thanks, Juli.

There are gougers and unethical professionals in all fields.

Walt

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Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive.

Posted by Sapphire [422.1366] on June 12, 2005 at 13:42:58:

In Reply to: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 11, 2005 at 07:12:28:

It's difficult to understand why the dental association would deny the existence of cavitations -- if in fact cavitations do even exist. If the the dental profession did acknowledge the existence of cavitations, it would be another money-making opportunity for dentists. Oral surgeons could reap the rewards by surgically removing the cavitations. Why would they deny that there are cavitations? I doesn't make sense.



Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive.

Posted by Sapphire [422.1366] on June 12, 2005 at 15:33:39:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Sapphire [422.1366] on June 12, 2005 at 13:42:58:

It costs just about as much to have a tooth pulled and to have a bridge installed as it costs to have a root canal and a crown put on that tooth. So there doesn't seem to be a financial incentive for the dentist to pursuade a patient to get a root canal vs. pulling the tooth and getting a bride.

I had a bad root canal for about 20 years. I kept feeling pain, but the dentists over the years kept saying it couldn't be that tooth because the root was dead. Finally a dentist took an x-ray and told me the root canal was done improperly. Maybe I had bacteria growing there for those 20 years. I had CFS by this time. My General Dentist recommended another root canal to repair it and referred me to a Root Canal Specialist. The Root Canal Specialist of course also recommended the root canal be redone vs. having it pulled. The Oral Surgeon said if I had it pulled, it may cure the CFS, so he recommende pulling it. Against the strenuous objections from my General Dentist and the Root Canal Specialists, I opted to have that tooth removed by the Oral Surgeon hoping that would bring about the cure to the CFS. Unfortunately removing that tooth didn't help one bit. Hard to say if that bad root canal caused CFS or not. I guess I'll never know.

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Re: This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by maryb [516.1801] on June 12, 2005 at 17:37:37:

In Reply to: This might be a stupid questions but.... posted by Worried [2421.4] on June 11, 2005 at 12:53:12:

Having had a few root canals in my life, my opinion is: don't bother, especially
after having read Walt's post. My experience has been that once that tooth
has been violated through removing the dead root, & then filling the hole,
that tooth is so compromised anyway, eventually it will need extraction, or
will chip or break on its own. If I was told now that I needed a root canal, I'd
just go straight to the extraction & spare all the rest.

Trouble is, a bridge isn't much better. It requires using adjacent teeth as
anchors, which means grinding them down to stubs so that the bridge can be
fit over them. How long is that little stub going to last in that condition? I
currently have a removable bridge, which at least doesn't require any grinding
or damaging of the neighboring teeth, and it holds the space so that those
teeth don't start drifting or slanting, which mine were. It took a LOT to
convince me to do this, and though I don't really like wearing the bridge, at
least I can take it out whenever I want to. I don't sleep with it in, like any
denture. And it's easier to keep that area clean, too.

mary



Re: This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by Russ [3159.218] on June 12, 2005 at 20:37:03:

In Reply to: Re: This might be a stupid questions but.... posted by maryb [516.1801] on June 12, 2005 at 17:37:37:

maryb, how does your removable bridge attach to the adjacent teeth or is there a plate invovled ? is this for your back teeth ? is the bridge "visible" ? how does it feel comfort wise ? thanks!



Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 13, 2005 at 07:51:46:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Sapphire [422.1366] on June 12, 2005 at 13:42:58:

Sapphire,

It also doesn't make sense that the ADA still refuses to acknowledge the toxicity of mercury. Political pressures are dominent.

Walt



Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive.

Posted by Sapphire [422.1366] on June 13, 2005 at 10:27:06:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts about Dentistry. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on June 13, 2005 at 07:51:46:

So true, Walt. I'm constantly amazed by the slowness to change beliefs by the majority in the medical profession.

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Re: This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by maryb [516.1801] on June 13, 2005 at 22:52:30:

In Reply to: Re: This might be a stupid questions but.... posted by Russ [3159.218] on June 12, 2005 at 20:37:03:

Hi Russ, yes, the bridge is for a missing lower back tooth (extracted after a
root canal failed). It's second from the last on the left side. The fake tooth has
metal grips, one on either side, which fit around the anchor teeth. A mold is
taken and first they do the frame with these grips, or whatever they're called.
Then they do another mold, after the frame comes back from the lab, and
this time it's for the fake tooth. If I smile as wide as I can, with my mouth way
open, then yeah, you can see a small part of the metal on the lower edge of
the anchor tooth closest to the front, but it doesn't bother me at all. There is
a kind of small plate that runs down the side of the fake tooth, on the inside
of my mouth, which helps to stabilize, as well. It took some getting used to
that. And right now, the brace part needs adjusting, because it's starting to
slip when I chew. So until I get back to the dentist, I just remove it before I
eat, & pop it back in afterwards.

I would far rather put up with this than have a permanent bridge installed. I
don't want to sacrifice two healthy teeth for the bridge anchor, so for me, this
is worth it. I wonder how many hours per day I have to wear it to achieve the
goal of keeping the teeth from drifting together; I need to ask the dentist this
next time I see him.

It's interesting that no other dentist has ever suggested this removable bridge
option to me. It cost less than 1/3 the cost of a permanent bridge, no pain or
drilling was involved, and my teeth are spared. The only options presented
previously were the regular bridge or an implant. I wish I had a dime for
everyone I've heard complain about their dental implants.

mary



Re: This might be a stupid questions but....

Posted by Russ [3159.218] on June 14, 2005 at 11:43:56:

In Reply to: Re: This might be a stupid questions but.... posted by maryb [516.1801] on June 13, 2005 at 22:52:30:

thanks mary. i too am missing that tooth and was thinking of doing something like that. can you chew as well with the fake tooth as a regular tooth, and is it painful on the gum or cause gum irritation? do you know or did your dentist mention any long term effect of having the metal clasps rubbing against the enamel of your good teeth? finally, how long did it last until you needed the adjustment ? i assume the metal clasps have lost their tension. sorry for all the questions.

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