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Hi Dr. Stoll - I went with my husband to the endocrinologist today, as he was just diagnosed with diabetes,as I mentioned in my prior post. He had been on a protien power type diet which controlled his high blood sugar well, until he cheated quite a bit. The Dr. said that now that he is diabetic, he should not do this diet anymore as protein will cause kidney damage. He wants him to use the standard American diabetic diet.
How do you eat, Dr. stoll? Is this Dr. correct to say eating a protein power type diet will hurt his kidneys? If so, could we modify protein power to have a little less protien with a greater proportion of non starchy veggies? This worked so well for him I can't see changing to low protein/high carbs! Yet we don't want kidney damage.
The Dr. believes that the blood sugar problem was caught early on. My husband does not have any symptoms. They just took a urine test to see if there is evidence of kidney damage, but I suspect he is o.k. at this point. If there is a possibility of causing kidney damage, what diet should he switch to?
Lastly, do you think that a good detox, beginning with a colon cleansing program could improve the blood sugar problem?
Can't tell you how grateful I am that you make yourself so available! I respect your opinion. Andrea
In Reply to: Diabetic diet question posted by Andrea on May 02, 2002 at 15:50:05:
I disagree with the doctor. There is not a shred of solid evidence that protein harms the kidney's. A low protein diet CAN help those that ALREADY have kidney problems but protein does not cause kidney problems. Only protein ISOLATES like soy protein and amino acid supplements can harm the kidneys. Whole food sources of protein ---beef, chicken, fish, all with the skin/fat on, will NOT harm the kidney's but IMPROVES kidney function. Unless there is evidence that his kidney's are failing, I would stay on the diet. Alpha Lipoic Acid, Gynemma Sylvestra, GTF Chromium, and L-glutamine are extremely important for blood-sugar control. These supplements work so well, that often times, diabetics on medication need to have their dosages lowered. The type of diet that TREATS diabetes is the same diet that prevents diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer and other degenerative problems. A diet high in non-starchy vegetables and vegetable juices, and include grass-fed meats, free-range poultry, fish oil, olive oil, coconut oil, with moderate amounts of sprouted-grain breads, and low-sugar fruits such as berries. Yogurt, kefir, raw butter, and raw cream are benefical dairy products. My mother has been thriving on this diet since she was diagnosed with diabetes almost a year ago. Her blood sugar is now consistantly between 85 and 110 which is ideal. I hope this info is of help to you
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Helping You on May 02, 2002 at 17:27:34:
My mother has been thriving on this diet since she was
diagnosed with diabetes almost a year ago. Her blood sugar is now consistantly between 85 and 110 which is ideal.
Hi, HY. Just out of curiosity is this Type II diabetes - and is she using insulin to achieve these numbers, or has the dietary improvement made insulin unnecessary?
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Helping You on May 02, 2002 at 17:27:34:
Andrea,
I would like to add something to what HY said. Make your husband's doctor work for his money -- ask him to prove to you that high (make him define what "high" is) protein diets damage healthy kidneys. If he manages to some up with some evidence, analyze it. Find out what protein was used, what else a diet used in a study included and other details. Don't let him just repeat something he got from mass media or a drug manufacturer's salesperson.
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Helping You on May 02, 2002 at 17:27:34:
Helping you,
What do you mean by amino acid supplements? ARe you referring to the protein powder drinks? I was just wandering because my husband is diabetic and he drinks at least one glass a day of a low carb type protein powder drink. He does not take medication and keeps it under control fairly well with a low carb diet. He only has problems when he "cheats."
In Reply to: Diabetic diet question posted by Andrea on May 02, 2002 at 15:50:05:
First, Angela.
In MY opinion, I would forget about the "power protein" diet until he has controlled his diabetes well for years. Kidney damage is in his far future if at all.
A good detox can never do any harm.\
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by CC on May 02, 2002 at 21:03:30:
Protein supplements come in two basic forms: Protein powders which are usually in the form of whey, soy or rice. Here, the amino acids are contained in a natural balance. The problem with them, is that they are stripped of other nutrients such as vitamins, minerals and other macronutrients such as fats which are necessary for the absorption of the protein. Still, these are better than taking ISOLATED amino acid supplements. Isolated amino acids are INDIVIDUAL amino acids that come in a capsule form. For example, you can buy L-glutamine in a capsule or you can buy L-arganine in a capsule. Unless you know for a fact that your body is deficient in that amino acid, you will be creating new imbalances and worse yet, you will be excreting precious minerals in order to digest the protein and buffer the acidity caused by the digestion. Study's that proved protein to cause calcium loss were all done with protein powders and amino acid supplements, not real food. I would think that a good whey protein powder would be fine as long as he is consuming it as a "shake" with other foods that can aid in the absorption. For example, he could have 8oz of goat milk with the whey protein, some raw cream or some flax oil, and some berries for minerals. This way, the protein is better absorbed and is less likely to affect the kidney's, if at all. Soy protein powders are the worst. Whey protein isolates have been shown to increase lean muscle mass and immunity. They also feed benefical bacteria. It's ok to use whey as long he takes it in the way described. I hope this answers your question
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Jan on May 02, 2002 at 19:37:40:
I BELIEVE she has Type 2. She does not require insulin. Her numbers are achieved purely through dietary and supplemental modification. Afterall, diabetes is a result of incorrect eating to begin with (plus a lack of exercise and lack of other wellness tools but most importantly, at least with the issue of diabetes, is DIET)
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Helping You on May 03, 2002 at 12:22:51:
hi HY (ha ha),
Have you read about PRAL (potential renal acid load determinations)? There was an article in the American Dietetic Assoc. journal in 1995 by Remer and Manz (Germans) where they analyzed the mineral and protein content of various foods with regard to calcium loss, etc. I first read of it in a carb article by Dr. Joseph Brasco on mercola.com. I read what I could find on Google and in Medline. I still haven't read the original article but some info. is here: http://www.ultrafit.com/newsletter/january01.html
I'd like to hear any opinions on this. I generally agree with what you have said. I think a lid needs to be kept on carbs and proteins. I haven't managed to read the Schwarzbein Principle yet but the author has some good things to say about keeping good control with carb management. Dr. Ron Rosedale has an article on insulin that is very interesting (but I'm wondering about the science behind a few things). I think it's on mercola.com and can be found on Google. There is another fantastic article (if a bit radical) by a brilliant young bodybuilder named Cy Willson called The Taming of Insulin on the t-mag.com site (can be found in the search feature). It would take me too much time to paste the links now. Mary J.
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Walt Stoll on May 03, 2002 at 11:55:15:
Dr. Stoll - I'm not sure I understand your response - did you mean that he should stop the low carb diet which has successfully controlled his blood sugar in the past? Or do you mean it's ok to continue, and that it should not hurt his kidneys? ("Protein Power" is just a low carb diet that has less fat and more veggies than atkins.) Thanks again for your help.
In Reply to: Potential Renal Acid Load posted by Mary Jackson on May 03, 2002 at 13:05:05:
No, I have not. I would be interested in reading it though. To date, no studies have conclusively proved that protein causes calcium loss unless the substance used was an amino acid powder or an isolated protein powder. I wish that these researchers would pay attention to the very important details like these so that we can get ACCURATE results on what we set out to prove. Thanks for writing
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Helping You on May 02, 2002 at 17:27:34:
Thank you for sharing this.
I am not a diabetic, but this information is interesting to me, because I used to be severely hypoglycemic. The protein diet was an important part of the recovery.
It is important, as R. said, to be precise about information we give out, so I wonder if it also matters what kinds of protein people eat? You are probably familiar with the metabolic diets. What I wonder is whether for some people it would be beneficial to eat light type of protein (chicken, fish) while for others eating more of red meat and organs?
I hope Walt will archive this, regardless of who means what :)
Regards,
Sonja
In Reply to: Re: FOLLOW-UP TO DR. WALT - Diabetic diet question posted by Andrea on May 03, 2002 at 13:36:34:
Thanks, Andrea.
Ok to continue what worked before and it will not hurt his kidneys. I did not understand what you meant by "Protein Power" diet.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Diabetic diet question posted by Sonja on May 03, 2002 at 19:25:17:
NMI
In Reply to: Re: FOLLOW-UP TO DR. WALT - Diabetic diet question posted by Walt Stoll on May 04, 2002 at 09:18:46:
Thanks for the clarification Dr. Stoll.
My husband has a question: How bad is it for someone who has there blood sugar under control to cheat occasionally,(maybe once a month) with carbs and/or sweets? Will it do long term damage? The thought of no more pizza or sugary desserts, ever, is hard for him.
Thanks!
In Reply to: Re: Can he cheat occasionally? posted by Andrea on May 04, 2002 at 11:28:01:
HI, Andrea.
The way he has to look at it is: He has gotten away with his habits all these years. Now his metabolism is "broken" and he cannot do it any more if he expects to not have diabetes.
In a few years, IF he is successful this time at getting back to a normal glucose tolerance test, he might start trying stuff like this again. Each time he re-breaks his metabolism it is much less likely that it can repair itself.
This is why I say that he may already have squandered his only chance to be normal.
I think that is very risky but it is HIS life.
The people I know who have done this prefer the taste of real foods when they finally learn to eat them exclusively, and would not go back to that crap anyhow. He will never believe this until he tries it anyhow.
"If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you have always gotten."
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Can he cheat occasionally? (Archive in diabetes.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 05, 2002 at 09:23:10:
Good advice! Andrea
In Reply to: Re: Can he cheat occasionally? (Archive in diabetes.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 05, 2002 at 09:23:10:
Dr. Walt
Do you EVER cheat on the whole foods diet????
In Reply to: Re:Doc Walt: Can he cheat occasionally? (Archive in diabetes.) posted by Sandra on May 06, 2002 at 08:19:57:
Of course, Sandra.
After one has been on the PWFD for a few years they know what they can get away with.
Personally, I did the PWFD for about 5 years before I could cheat a little and get away wiht it.
I am still not sure (20 years later) how much I can cheat without paying for it.
Hope this helps.
Walt
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