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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/09/health/09diab.html
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By GINA KOLATA
Dr. Denise Faustman thinks she has a shot at curing diabetes.
She has published one significant scientific paper after another
But when Dr. Faustman, an associate professor of medicine at
Her approach was criticized, even though in the past, said her
Only the support of Lee A. Iacocca, the former chief of Chrysler,
The reason for the resistance, Dr. Faustman and some colleagues
researchers insist that a cure lies instead in research on stem
Dr. Faustman's story, scientists say, illustrates the difficulties
"I wish Denise well, and I flat out hope she's right," said Dr.
With many foundations and universities competing for research
In addition, he said, the field has been whipsawed by false hopes.
"I've seen a lot of things in diabetes come and go," Dr. Atkinson
Dr. Faustman's research began when she came to Massachusetts
Other scientists had tried the transplants and failed - the islet
"I thought the secret was that my islets were better than anyone
But when she and Dr. David Nathan, the director of the diabetes
Researchers had reported that islet transplants could cure
Diabetes occurs when a white blood cell, part of the body's immune
system, migrates to the pancreas and mistakenly sees islet cells
She also had to stop the attack that was under way in the
After Dr. Faustman gave the mice the two types of treatment, the
Then, to her astonishment, something else happened: the islet
The implications, Dr. Nathan said, were enormous. The diabetic
"No one had cured them," he said. "Here was this treatment that we
thought would get them ready for a transplant but - eureka! - the
If Dr. Faustman's findings could be applied to humans, there would
In fact, the work meant that unless the underlying immune system
Dr. Faustman published the work in The Journal of Clinical
"We weren't allowed to use the word 'regenerate,' " she said.
Even though the islet cells were growing back, it was still
In a paper last year in Science, Dr. Faustman reported that she
The findings raised the question of what happens to people who
One was a group of patients in England with pancreatitis. To treat
The other case involved children with beta thalassemia, a genetic
The stories about patients who had their spleens removed are not
"Denise's work is remarkable in animals," Dr. Nathan said. "But
Mr. Iacocca's check, and the money he wants to raise, will pay for
In the meantime, the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation is
For his part, Mr. Iacocca was confident from the start that Dr.
"I can't wait for the pharmaceutical companies or even government
In Reply to: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by Paulc [1041.535] on November 10, 2004 at 09:44:14:
Hi Paulc:
If I'm reading this correctly, it seems that diabetes is simply another disease of the immune system(?).
In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:05:56:
type 1 is a disease of the immune system- while fighting a virus, the body also destroys the beta cells of the islet of langerhans of the pancreas and these are the cells that produce insulin. Besides natural viruses, this is also linked to the pertussis vaccine and to the MMR shot. See www.909shot.com for info about all the damage vaccines can do.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 10:21:41:
Hi ANN:
So both types of diabetes would at some point result from a compromised immune sytem, with type II being much easier to avoid since the individual has control over his lifestyle (food, alcohol, etc.), while type I could result from one single instance of assault on the system such as with the pertussis vaccine or a viral infection.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:41:46:
I'm not sure if compromised immune system is the right term or not- I think it might be an overly efficient immune system that causes the type 1 problem- that your immune system works too well. D'Adamo (Blood ype diet) refers to type O's as having an overly sensitive immune system, which is why they react so much to grains and other allergens.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 13:18:52:
I have the answer at home, I just read it..I will find it tonight and post it..
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: To Philly Lady & Ann... posted by steve [135.4] on November 10, 2004 at 13:51:14:
Well I thought I had the answer, but guess not..It just says a cloged lymph system can lead to " several types of cancer including breast cancer and lymphoma..
The source is Fitonics for Life, page 72..
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: To Philly Lady & Ann... posted by Steve [2966.1351] on November 10, 2004 at 18:49:28:
Philly and Ann,
When the pancreas becomes hypoative from inflammation or congestion, this can cause inadequate amounts of insulin to be produced..In both types of diabetes, but especially type 1, this weakness in the pancreas is usually passed on genetically..
This infomation is taken from The Miracle Sourcebook pages 160-162..Dr. Morse claims he can get people off insulin within 3 to 8 weeks..He does this by cleaning and regenerating the pancreas and adrenal glands..
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by Paulc [1041.535] on November 10, 2004 at 09:44:14:
Thanks, PaulC.
Since I have personally experienced this kind of thinking and political machinations by the allopathic monopoly, I am not surprised by all this.
Walt
Jodi Hilton for The New York Times
Dr. Denise Faustman has cured diabetes in mice. Humans are next on
her
agenda.
A Diabetes Researcher Forges Her Own Path to a Cure
on the
disease. She has succeeded in curing it in mice, something no one
else
has accomplished.
Harvard,
went looking for money to finance the next stage of her research,
testing the ideas with diabetes patients, she could find no
backers.
Pharmaceutical companies turned her down. So did the Juvenile
Diabetes
Research Association.
boss, Dr.
Joseph Avruch, chief of the diabetes unit at the Massachusetts
General
Hospital, "most of the things she found turned out to be true."
who
said he wanted to see diabetes cured in his lifetime, has allowed
her to
pursue her goal. He mounted an $11 million fund-raising campaign
and
wrote a $1 million check to start the fund.
believe,
was simple: her findings, which raise the possibility that an
inexpensive, readily available drug might effectively treat Type 1
or
juvenile diabetes, challenge widespread assumptions. Many diabetes
cells
and islet cell transplants.
that
creative scientists can have when their work questions
conventional
wisdom and runs into entrenched interests. But if she is correct,
scientists will also have to reconsider many claims for embryonic
stem
cells as a cure for diabetes, and perhaps for other diseases.
Mark
Atkinson, a diabetes expert who directs the Center for Immunology
and
Transplantation at the University of Florida College of Medicine.
"But
the environment she's trying to move this forward in is so much
like
kids in a sandbox, whipping sand around. It's hard to see with so
much
sand in the air."
financing,
and with the heated politics of stem cell research, it is no
surprise,
Dr. Atkinson said, that disputes can sometimes become vitriolic.
said.
"For decades we have been told that a cure is just around the
corner.
That's part of the background, that's why it's emotionally
heated."
General in
1985 to help start a program to cure diabetes with transplants of
islet
cells, which come from hormone-producing regions of the pancreas.
She
had learned to isolate human islet cells from the transplant
technique's
developer, Dr. Paul Lacey of Washington University, and she was
confident about her skill.
cells
died despite immunosuppressant drugs - but Dr. Faustman thought
she
would succeed.
else's," she said.
center
at the hospital, tried using her islets, they also failed. So Dr.
Faustman decided to go back to the laboratory and study the
phenomenon
in mice.
diabetes in
mice, but they had been making them diabetic by destroying their
islet
cells. Dr. Faustman decided to look at mice with a strong genetic
predisposition to develop diabetes on their own. When the islet
cell
transplants failed in those animals, she asked why.
as
foreign tissue. It then multiplies and destroys the islets. But,
Dr.
Faustman learned, she could block the white cells by supplying
them with
a piece of protein that signaled that the islet cells were normal
cells,
rather than foreign invaders.
pancreas. That
required killing the white cells that were doing the attacking.
Her
solution was to give an off-patent drug, BCG, that is inexpensive,
$11 a
vial, and approved for use as an immune system stimulant. It
elicits the
release of an immune system hormone, tumor necrosis factor, that
kills
activated white cells.
attack
on the islets stopped.
cells grew
back, a development that went against everything known by
scientists.
mice, he
said, had had extremely high blood sugar levels for weeks and
would die
without insulin. Researchers had successfully intervened earlier
in the
disease with these animals but not once diabetes was so firmly
established.
diabetes was cured."
be no
need for islet cell transplants. Embryonic stem cells, which many
researchers believed might be turned into islet cells, eliminating
the
need to get islets for transplants from cadavers, would also be
unnecessary.
attack
on the pancreas was stopped, these replacement cells would
eventually be
destroyed anyway, so such treatments would never be a cure.
Investigation
in 2001.
"People
didn't believe that an organ could regenerate." Instead, she had
to say
"restoration of insulin secretion by return of blood sugar to
normal."
unclear
where the new cells were coming from. Before long, Dr. Faustman
had a
surprising answer. They were from the spleen, a fist-size organ on
the
left side of the diaphragm whose pulpy interior is filled with
blood.
had
cured female mice of diabetes and transplanted them with spleens
from
male mice. The islet cells that grew back were male, and they had
come
from the male spleens.
have
their spleens removed. Dr. Faustman went to the medical literature
and
discovered that most spleens were removed in emergency rooms and
that
few patients were followed afterward, with two exceptions.
them,
doctors had removed half of the pancreas. When they removed the
right
half of the organ, the patients were fine. But when they removed
the
left half, along with the attached spleen, patients often
developed
diabetes about five years later.
disease involving iron storage. Often, they developed enlarged
spleens,
which were removed. Five years or so later, many got diabetes.
proof
that Dr. Faustman's work applies to humans as well as mice.
does it
apply to humans? As a clinical investigator, I have to remain
skeptical.
Scientifically, is it a long shot? I don't know."
the
initial phase of a clinical trial, the first step for finding out.
Dr.
Nathan, who will direct the trial, will ask whether BCG kills the
islet-destroying white blood cells of patients in the same way it
does
in mice and, if so, at what dose. Dr. Faustman is working on a
blood
test that will immediately assess the effects of BCG by
determining
whether the dangerous white cells are being destroyed.
financing
an independent effort to replicate Dr. Faustman's work. The
researcher,
Dr. Anita Chong of the University of Chicago, said her studies
were
still under way. But, she added, "so far, what we have done
replicates
what she has done."
Faustman's work was correct. His foundation's scientific advisers
strongly endorsed it, and Mr. Iacocca, whose wife, Mary, died of
diabetes complications, has a personal interest.
tax
money to fund what looks promising," Mr. Iacocca said. "They are
not
known for high risk and they are also slow to react. We are trying
to
get a cure."
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Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT.
Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:05:56:
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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 10:21:41:
Type 2 appears to be a lifestyle disease.
They are not really the same disease, though they both are called diabetes.
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Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT.
Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:41:46:
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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 13:18:52:
I'm not sure type 2 really has to do with the immune system-There are a few factors at play-excess weight reduces the number of the insulin receptors on the cells, making the cells get less insulin. Excess consumption of carbos (not necessarily just refined carbos, but hard to sort out since refined is what most people eat) causes the pancreas to have to work harder than nature probably designed it for- I think there's a certain amount of burnout, but I haven't seen the question deliniated into insulin resistence vs lower insulin production. Two MD's named Thrash wrote a book called Diabetes and the ypoglycemic Syndrome in which they refer to 'accelerated aging syndrome' which they believe is a continuum over the whole lifespan, beginning with sugar water in the hospital nursery, going on through too big a proportion of diet being refined carbs, to early puberty, hypoglycemia develops sometime during all that time and eventually develops into type 2 diabetes- so all the people with good blood sugar readings or even hyoglycemia who think that means they aren't likely to get type 2 are probably wrong- their hurtlking toward it and don't realize it.
Type 2 used to hit people in their 40's and 50's. A few years ago, it started hitting kids as young as 12, now it's down to age 9. A big part of this is from things like the fod puramid, that told people to eat 5-11 servings of grain a day and ,before that, the emphasis on reducing consumption of meat, eggs, fish, and fat- all that left was carbs!
I don't know if the whole metabolic syndrome has been linked to vaccines, but, since we are seeing it in the baby boomers and younger, I'd guess that's a big possibility as a contributing cause.
One thing I suspect is an over-emphasis on hygiene in the schools. When I was a id, we shared bottles of soda, whether with our friends or our families. On a road trip, mom would get out of the car while dad filled the gas tank and buy ONE bottle of soda- a 6 ounce coke or 12 ounce pepsi or RC cola, and we would pass it around and each take a sip or two. I see families at the convenience store/ gas station now and they EACH get a 32 or 20 ounce soda, if they are buying bottles, or sometimes even bigger in cups- that's bad enough for an adult body, but for a 40 pound kid?-WHOA!
The CDC has finally come out angainst anti-bacterial cleaners and recommended letting kids play in the dirt (most sensible advice I ever heard from the gov't!)- I tink now they have to encourage people to share their sodas instead of avoiding spreading germs- I think the sharing probably helped build our immune systems.
But, yes, type 1 could come from a single viral exposure. It presents mostly in the Fall, shortly after the beginning of the school year, so stress and its drain on B vitamins is a possible final straw type of factor-I suspect from the beginning to end of destruction of beta cells can be a very different length of time for different people, so the viral exposure could've been months or years before.
Babies are diagnosed with type 1 a lot more than they used to be, which suggests vaccines as the stress on the immune system in their case.
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Posted by steve [135.4] on November 10, 2004 at 13:51:14:
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Posted by Steve [2966.1351] on November 10, 2004 at 18:49:28:
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Posted by steve [135.4] on November 11, 2004 at 09:45:26:
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