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Posted by Paulc [1041.535] on November 10, 2004 at 09:44:14:

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Jodi Hilton for The New York Times
Dr. Denise Faustman has cured diabetes in mice. Humans are next on

A Diabetes Researcher Forges Her Own Path to a Cure


Dr. Denise Faustman thinks she has a shot at curing diabetes.

She has published one significant scientific paper after another
on the
disease. She has succeeded in curing it in mice, something no one
has accomplished.

But when Dr. Faustman, an associate professor of medicine at
went looking for money to finance the next stage of her research,
testing the ideas with diabetes patients, she could find no
Pharmaceutical companies turned her down. So did the Juvenile
Research Association.

Her approach was criticized, even though in the past, said her
boss, Dr.
Joseph Avruch, chief of the diabetes unit at the Massachusetts
Hospital, "most of the things she found turned out to be true."

Only the support of Lee A. Iacocca, the former chief of Chrysler,
said he wanted to see diabetes cured in his lifetime, has allowed
her to
pursue her goal. He mounted an $11 million fund-raising campaign
wrote a $1 million check to start the fund.

The reason for the resistance, Dr. Faustman and some colleagues
was simple: her findings, which raise the possibility that an
inexpensive, readily available drug might effectively treat Type 1
juvenile diabetes, challenge widespread assumptions. Many diabetes

researchers insist that a cure lies instead in research on stem
and islet cell transplants.

Dr. Faustman's story, scientists say, illustrates the difficulties
creative scientists can have when their work questions
wisdom and runs into entrenched interests. But if she is correct,
scientists will also have to reconsider many claims for embryonic
cells as a cure for diabetes, and perhaps for other diseases.

"I wish Denise well, and I flat out hope she's right," said Dr.
Atkinson, a diabetes expert who directs the Center for Immunology
Transplantation at the University of Florida College of Medicine.
the environment she's trying to move this forward in is so much
kids in a sandbox, whipping sand around. It's hard to see with so
sand in the air."

With many foundations and universities competing for research
and with the heated politics of stem cell research, it is no
Dr. Atkinson said, that disputes can sometimes become vitriolic.

In addition, he said, the field has been whipsawed by false hopes.

"I've seen a lot of things in diabetes come and go," Dr. Atkinson
"For decades we have been told that a cure is just around the
That's part of the background, that's why it's emotionally

Dr. Faustman's research began when she came to Massachusetts
General in
1985 to help start a program to cure diabetes with transplants of
cells, which come from hormone-producing regions of the pancreas.
had learned to isolate human islet cells from the transplant
developer, Dr. Paul Lacey of Washington University, and she was
confident about her skill.

Other scientists had tried the transplants and failed - the islet
died despite immunosuppressant drugs - but Dr. Faustman thought
would succeed.

"I thought the secret was that my islets were better than anyone
else's," she said.

But when she and Dr. David Nathan, the director of the diabetes
at the hospital, tried using her islets, they also failed. So Dr.
Faustman decided to go back to the laboratory and study the
in mice.

Researchers had reported that islet transplants could cure
diabetes in
mice, but they had been making them diabetic by destroying their
cells. Dr. Faustman decided to look at mice with a strong genetic
predisposition to develop diabetes on their own. When the islet
transplants failed in those animals, she asked why.

Diabetes occurs when a white blood cell, part of the body's immune

system, migrates to the pancreas and mistakenly sees islet cells
foreign tissue. It then multiplies and destroys the islets. But,
Faustman learned, she could block the white cells by supplying
them with
a piece of protein that signaled that the islet cells were normal
rather than foreign invaders.

She also had to stop the attack that was under way in the
pancreas. That
required killing the white cells that were doing the attacking.
solution was to give an off-patent drug, BCG, that is inexpensive,
$11 a
vial, and approved for use as an immune system stimulant. It
elicits the
release of an immune system hormone, tumor necrosis factor, that
activated white cells.

After Dr. Faustman gave the mice the two types of treatment, the
on the islets stopped.

Then, to her astonishment, something else happened: the islet
cells grew
back, a development that went against everything known by

The implications, Dr. Nathan said, were enormous. The diabetic
mice, he
said, had had extremely high blood sugar levels for weeks and
would die
without insulin. Researchers had successfully intervened earlier
in the
disease with these animals but not once diabetes was so firmly

"No one had cured them," he said. "Here was this treatment that we

thought would get them ready for a transplant but - eureka! - the
diabetes was cured."

If Dr. Faustman's findings could be applied to humans, there would
be no
need for islet cell transplants. Embryonic stem cells, which many
researchers believed might be turned into islet cells, eliminating
need to get islets for transplants from cadavers, would also be

In fact, the work meant that unless the underlying immune system
on the pancreas was stopped, these replacement cells would
eventually be
destroyed anyway, so such treatments would never be a cure.

Dr. Faustman published the work in The Journal of Clinical
in 2001.

"We weren't allowed to use the word 'regenerate,' " she said.
didn't believe that an organ could regenerate." Instead, she had
to say
"restoration of insulin secretion by return of blood sugar to

Even though the islet cells were growing back, it was still
where the new cells were coming from. Before long, Dr. Faustman
had a
surprising answer. They were from the spleen, a fist-size organ on
left side of the diaphragm whose pulpy interior is filled with

In a paper last year in Science, Dr. Faustman reported that she
cured female mice of diabetes and transplanted them with spleens
male mice. The islet cells that grew back were male, and they had
from the male spleens.

The findings raised the question of what happens to people who
their spleens removed. Dr. Faustman went to the medical literature
discovered that most spleens were removed in emergency rooms and
few patients were followed afterward, with two exceptions.

One was a group of patients in England with pancreatitis. To treat
doctors had removed half of the pancreas. When they removed the
half of the organ, the patients were fine. But when they removed
left half, along with the attached spleen, patients often
diabetes about five years later.

The other case involved children with beta thalassemia, a genetic
disease involving iron storage. Often, they developed enlarged
which were removed. Five years or so later, many got diabetes.

The stories about patients who had their spleens removed are not
that Dr. Faustman's work applies to humans as well as mice.

"Denise's work is remarkable in animals," Dr. Nathan said. "But
does it
apply to humans? As a clinical investigator, I have to remain
Scientifically, is it a long shot? I don't know."

Mr. Iacocca's check, and the money he wants to raise, will pay for
initial phase of a clinical trial, the first step for finding out.
Nathan, who will direct the trial, will ask whether BCG kills the
islet-destroying white blood cells of patients in the same way it
in mice and, if so, at what dose. Dr. Faustman is working on a
test that will immediately assess the effects of BCG by
whether the dangerous white cells are being destroyed.

In the meantime, the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation is
an independent effort to replicate Dr. Faustman's work. The
Dr. Anita Chong of the University of Chicago, said her studies
still under way. But, she added, "so far, what we have done
what she has done."

For his part, Mr. Iacocca was confident from the start that Dr.
Faustman's work was correct. His foundation's scientific advisers
strongly endorsed it, and Mr. Iacocca, whose wife, Mary, died of
diabetes complications, has a personal interest.

"I can't wait for the pharmaceutical companies or even government
money to fund what looks promising," Mr. Iacocca said. "They are
known for high risk and they are also slow to react. We are trying
get a cure."

Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT.

Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:05:56:

In Reply to: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by Paulc [1041.535] on November 10, 2004 at 09:44:14:

Hi Paulc:

If I'm reading this correctly, it seems that diabetes is simply another disease of the immune system(?).

Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT.

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 10:21:41:

In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:05:56:

type 1 is a disease of the immune system- while fighting a virus, the body also destroys the beta cells of the islet of langerhans of the pancreas and these are the cells that produce insulin. Besides natural viruses, this is also linked to the pertussis vaccine and to the MMR shot. See www.909shot.com for info about all the damage vaccines can do.
Type 2 appears to be a lifestyle disease.
They are not really the same disease, though they both are called diabetes.

Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT.

Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:41:46:

In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 10:21:41:


So both types of diabetes would at some point result from a compromised immune sytem, with type II being much easier to avoid since the individual has control over his lifestyle (food, alcohol, etc.), while type I could result from one single instance of assault on the system such as with the pertussis vaccine or a viral infection.

Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT.

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 13:18:52:

In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 10, 2004 at 10:41:46:

I'm not sure if compromised immune system is the right term or not- I think it might be an overly efficient immune system that causes the type 1 problem- that your immune system works too well. D'Adamo (Blood ype diet) refers to type O's as having an overly sensitive immune system, which is why they react so much to grains and other allergens.
I'm not sure type 2 really has to do with the immune system-There are a few factors at play-excess weight reduces the number of the insulin receptors on the cells, making the cells get less insulin. Excess consumption of carbos (not necessarily just refined carbos, but hard to sort out since refined is what most people eat) causes the pancreas to have to work harder than nature probably designed it for- I think there's a certain amount of burnout, but I haven't seen the question deliniated into insulin resistence vs lower insulin production. Two MD's named Thrash wrote a book called Diabetes and the ypoglycemic Syndrome in which they refer to 'accelerated aging syndrome' which they believe is a continuum over the whole lifespan, beginning with sugar water in the hospital nursery, going on through too big a proportion of diet being refined carbs, to early puberty, hypoglycemia develops sometime during all that time and eventually develops into type 2 diabetes- so all the people with good blood sugar readings or even hyoglycemia who think that means they aren't likely to get type 2 are probably wrong- their hurtlking toward it and don't realize it.
Type 2 used to hit people in their 40's and 50's. A few years ago, it started hitting kids as young as 12, now it's down to age 9. A big part of this is from things like the fod puramid, that told people to eat 5-11 servings of grain a day and ,before that, the emphasis on reducing consumption of meat, eggs, fish, and fat- all that left was carbs!
I don't know if the whole metabolic syndrome has been linked to vaccines, but, since we are seeing it in the baby boomers and younger, I'd guess that's a big possibility as a contributing cause.
One thing I suspect is an over-emphasis on hygiene in the schools. When I was a id, we shared bottles of soda, whether with our friends or our families. On a road trip, mom would get out of the car while dad filled the gas tank and buy ONE bottle of soda- a 6 ounce coke or 12 ounce pepsi or RC cola, and we would pass it around and each take a sip or two. I see families at the convenience store/ gas station now and they EACH get a 32 or 20 ounce soda, if they are buying bottles, or sometimes even bigger in cups- that's bad enough for an adult body, but for a 40 pound kid?-WHOA!
The CDC has finally come out angainst anti-bacterial cleaners and recommended letting kids play in the dirt (most sensible advice I ever heard from the gov't!)- I tink now they have to encourage people to share their sodas instead of avoiding spreading germs- I think the sharing probably helped build our immune systems.
But, yes, type 1 could come from a single viral exposure. It presents mostly in the Fall, shortly after the beginning of the school year, so stress and its drain on B vitamins is a possible final straw type of factor-I suspect from the beginning to end of destruction of beta cells can be a very different length of time for different people, so the viral exposure could've been months or years before.
Babies are diagnosed with type 1 a lot more than they used to be, which suggests vaccines as the stress on the immune system in their case.

Re: To Philly Lady & Ann...

Posted by steve [135.4] on November 10, 2004 at 13:51:14:

In Reply to: Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 10, 2004 at 13:18:52:

I have the answer at home, I just read it..I will find it tonight and post it..

Silver Fox!

Re: To Philly Lady & Ann...

Posted by Steve [2966.1351] on November 10, 2004 at 18:49:28:

In Reply to: Re: To Philly Lady & Ann... posted by steve [135.4] on November 10, 2004 at 13:51:14:

Well I thought I had the answer, but guess not..It just says a cloged lymph system can lead to " several types of cancer including breast cancer and lymphoma..

The source is Fitonics for Life, page 72..

Silver Fox!

Re: Here it is..

Posted by steve [135.4] on November 11, 2004 at 09:45:26:

In Reply to: Re: To Philly Lady & Ann... posted by Steve [2966.1351] on November 10, 2004 at 18:49:28:

Philly and Ann,

When the pancreas becomes hypoative from inflammation or congestion, this can cause inadequate amounts of insulin to be produced..In both types of diabetes, but especially type 1, this weakness in the pancreas is usually passed on genetically..

This infomation is taken from The Miracle Sourcebook pages 160-162..Dr. Morse claims he can get people off insulin within 3 to 8 weeks..He does this by cleaning and regenerating the pancreas and adrenal glands..

Silver Fox!

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Re: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. Cure for Diabetes? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on November 11, 2004 at 10:58:19:

In Reply to: For Walt...from yesterdays NYT. posted by Paulc [1041.535] on November 10, 2004 at 09:44:14:

Thanks, PaulC.

Since I have personally experienced this kind of thinking and political machinations by the allopathic monopoly, I am not surprised by all this.


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