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Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 11, 2008 at 14:47:55:

Dr. Stoll, do you agree with this article? I know you have diabetes and manage it with diet, supplements, etc., but is the cause of all Type II diabetes genetic?


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Re: Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat?

Posted by Michele [4954.6457] on December 11, 2008 at 16:04:30:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat? posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 11, 2008 at 14:47:55:

Well, if it is, then my dad lost the genetic code when he lost 35
pounds....

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Re: Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat?

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 11, 2008 at 18:24:42:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat? posted by Michele [4954.6457] on December 11, 2008 at 16:04:30:

Hi Michele,

EXACTLY!! \o/

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Re: Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on December 12, 2008 at 08:07:51:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat? posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 11, 2008 at 14:47:55:

Sapphire,

Take a look at my personal story in the diabetic archives and see if all your questions are not answered.

If not, ask again.

Namaste`

Walt

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is this it?

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 12, 2008 at 10:21:45:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Diabetes not caused by obesity or foods we eat? posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on December 12, 2008 at 08:07:51:

is this thread what you mean, or is there an essay-type thing?


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Re: is this it?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 12:00:34:

In Reply to: is this it? posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 12, 2008 at 10:21:45:

Thank you, ANN!!

Dr. Stoll, IF this it the article of which you were speaking, then it seems you had a strong family history of diabetes.

My doc is having me check my blood sugar throughout the day. I have a half brother with Type 1 diabetes. Other than that, I don't know of any family history. Neither my mother or father have diabetes.

My fasting blood sugar is 100 in the morning. Then it goes up to 140 an hour after breakfast.

Then an hour and two after all other meals, it generally stays around 100, sometimes 120.

Yesterday, 3 hours after a lunch, it was at 155. (I had a Vitamin C IV (25 grams) and am not sure if this affected the blood sugar.)

According to the link below, a normal fasting blood sugar is 83 or below. The article also says: "Independent of what they eat, the blood sugar of a truly normal person is:

Under 120 mg/dl (6.6 mmol/L) one or two hours after a meal.

Most normal people are under 100 mg/dl (5.5 mmol/L) two hours after eating. "

My fasting blood sugar is higher than the 83 indicated in this article, and I am having some spikes in my blood sugar higher than the 100-120 benchmarks stated by this article. I eat no refined sugar, a very healthy whole food diet, but I do have weak coffee throughout the day. The spikes were after eating a big plate of steamed veggies with a little olive oil and about 3 ounces of hazel nuts and some weak coffee.

In your opinion, am I showing signs of pre-diabetes?

Sapphire


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Re: is this it?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 12:04:04:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 12:00:34:

P.S. The steamed veggies were brocolli, green beans, and asparagus... non-starchy veggies, but still a big plate-full, steamed well done.

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Re: is this it?

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 12, 2008 at 15:05:26:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 12:00:34:

read the insert that came with yur glucose meter. Many of them have a 20% variability as to accuracy, meaning a reading of 120, for example, acrually means your blood sugar is between 96 and 144. That 83 number as a standard sounds absurd, given everything else I've read.
Type 1 is most likely caused by a virus. The virus can be naturally occurring or enter the body via vaccines. With type 1 , it is VERY common for a child to be diagnosed in a family with NO history of any kind of diabetes. If two siblings do both get it, it may well be because they had the same sicknesses growing up, or received vaccines from the same unstable ('hot lots') lot of vaccine.
Your half brother's type 1 is not something that should make you fell at risk. If you have parents or siblings with type 2, that's something to be concerned about, though diet can help a lot in blunting it's effects or delaying it and lifestyle, including smoking, is a big contributor to having complications from diabetes.
Many things you put in your mouth can affect your blood sugar. Examples:
aspirin lowers your blood sugar
niacin raises your blood sugar
alcohol lowers your blood sugar
things like vitamin c or synthetic hormones if you take any, could well have a blood sugar effect.

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Re: is this it?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 15:40:34:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 12, 2008 at 15:05:26:

Thanks for your feedback, Ann, I appreciate it.

I did a quick search, and apparently mega Vitamin C does increase blood glucose level..


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Re: is this it?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 15:43:18:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 15:40:34:

But a lower dose of Vitamin C supposedly lowers blood glucose levels....not sure what to believe...


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Re: is this it?

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 12, 2008 at 17:01:09:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 12, 2008 at 15:43:18:

I don't know-try some on an empty stomach and take readings at intervals to see how it affects you.

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Re: is this it?

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 13, 2008 at 00:35:16:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 12, 2008 at 15:05:26:

Hi Ann,

I posted this a couple of years ago....
Have you ever heard about a possibility that childhood
Type 1 diabetes may be caused by Cow's Milk?
Apparently the Cow proteins can be cause an immune response harmful to a juvenile's pancreatic cells ..
see link


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Re: is this it? -- Summary of archives and update. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on December 13, 2008 at 08:53:58:

In Reply to: is this it? posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 12, 2008 at 10:21:45:

Yes, Ann.

Taking it, and all the associated responses, yes.

To update it: There is a limit to what anyone can do with prevention and I have about reached that point. All of my many specialists, that I now require to keep me going, say the same thing: "You should have died at least 10 years ago. I do not understand what keeps you going."

Well, I do understand at least some of it: It is the healthy lifestyle I have maintained for the past 30+ years (45 if you consider my aerobics since the early '60s).

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: is this it? -- Summary of archives and update. Archive.

Posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 13, 2008 at 12:15:12:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? -- Summary of archives and update. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on December 13, 2008 at 08:53:58:

Dr. Stoll, Your response is 'yes,' but it's not clear to me what your point is. Are you saying 'yes' all type 2 diabetes has a genetic basis? Sapphire

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Re: is this it?

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 13, 2008 at 15:24:20:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 13, 2008 at 00:35:16:

yes, Ron- I read about that a lot of years ago and have responded to you when you dragged out that tired old study. It was a reasonable hypothesis, given the geographic distribution and fact that type 1 is a caucasian disease, but is NOT a likely cause.
My own kids have never had any dairy. The studies linking it to vaccines, B-3 deficiency, vitamin D deficiencies, and pellagra are all more promising than the cow's milk hypothesis.

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Re: is this it?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 13, 2008 at 15:46:24:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 13, 2008 at 15:24:20:

My half brother got Type 1 diabetes when he was around 13 years old. He had a very bad flu in the weeks before being diagnosed with diabetes... the docs said they felt a virus attacked his pancreas... (he drinks a lot of milk too....)

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Re: is this it?

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on December 13, 2008 at 16:00:31:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 13, 2008 at 15:46:24:

yes, the best guess right now is that type 1 is viral, but lots more people get viruses than get type 1, so there's a probable multi-step thing going on. Type 1 is mostly diagnosed in the Fall, in the first couple of months after school starts. This lead to a hypothesis that stress is involved. Stress, of course, eats up B vitamins. When you are undernourished, your immune system is more vulnerable.
Sickness is a stress. Inadequate sleep is a stress. And, of course, the obvious psych stresses.
Vaccines are a big stress on the body. Type 1 gets diagnosed as young as age 2 or 3 months now-what's the many stressor in a kid that age?-vaccines.

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Re: is this it? -- Summary of archives and update. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on December 14, 2008 at 08:08:40:

In Reply to: Re: is this it? -- Summary of archives and update. Archive. posted by Sapphire [2999.4205] on December 13, 2008 at 12:15:12:

Sapphire,

Type I diabetes is much more likely genetic susceptibility and the dairy connection is simply that individual's specific genetic trigger. Type II diabetes is mostly lifestyle choices, with a dash of genetic susceptibility (about 20%) thrown in.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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