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I have been alternating these two for the past two weeks or so, and have noticed that I feel completely exhausted, barely able to move at times and very sick as if I am experiencing a severe die-off or detoxing effect. I just can't go on like this any more. I can't even get out of the house. I have been trying to isolate the reson for my feeling like this and these two things are the only thingss I could come up with. Is it possible for these two products to have this effect on me? Also, I have been eating tons of my own homemade soup with tons of onions in it. Could the onions be a factor? Please, any input would be hugely appreciated, since I am at the end of my rope. Thanks!
In Reply to: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by Naya to HY, S.H.A.P.E. and anyone else on April 19, 2002 at 18:44:28:
Naya....you bet that Pepto can knock you silly! I am also shocked at just how powerul of an anti fungal and anti bacterial agent it is! I too have been suffering for a few weeks on it, but I know from past experience this is usually a good thing as quite often it is a die off reaction. Try to cut back a bit so you don't feel too bad, and then keep increasing the dosage. Now that I have discovered Bismuth as being one of the best agents for cleaning house, I plan to continue intermittent use throughout my life. To avoid all the other dyes and chemcials in the Pepto, I began taking a product called GAstro Mycin by Allergy Research Group. It has the same Bismuth but does not contain anything else except Licorce root, which also is an anti fungal and anti bacterial compound. Dr. Donsbach also makes a product called I'm OK. It is liquid bismuth with aloe...
In Reply to: Re: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by bglick on April 19, 2002 at 19:24:22:
Hi! Thanks so mcuh for your prompt response. I remember there was a discussion not too long ago on the board about bismuth, but I don't think it's been archived yet, and I couldn't remember anything about die-off. I am sooo relieved to hear that it causes detox sypmtoms. I was starting to panic, thinking I had something completely new and awful in addition to my already long list of ailments.
I also noticed that the Pepto has all kinds of other yukky ingredients, so it's good to know there's another source of it. Would you mnd telling me where you got the Gastro Mycin? Is it available in health food stores or did you get it on the internet? Thanks again!
In Reply to: Re: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by Naya to bglick on April 19, 2002 at 20:32:07:
The liquid product called I'm OK, by Dr. Donsbach can be purchased at www.letstalkhealth.com. The Gastro Mycin can be purchased from any internet or health food store that carries the Allergy Research Group product line. Dr. Donsback also makes a Pepperment / ginger drops which also works well.... These poor ol Bismuth salts never got the respect they deserve. There is a lot of research on the strong anti bacteiral / fungal effects, I was quite shocked to learn this too. Of course, I am not sure what I am killing off, but what ever it is, it can't be good. My guess its a strong yeast infection, since I have long been bothered by this.
Hope this helps...
In Reply to: where to get....bismuth posted by bglick on April 19, 2002 at 21:01:07:
Thanks for your help!
In Reply to: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by Naya to HY, S.H.A.P.E. and anyone else on April 19, 2002 at 18:44:28:
Naya,
Robert McFerran suggests that you take the Pepto at night on an empty stomach so it works better and you sleep through the bad feelings basically. He also likes the other ingedients because they somehow aid in trapping the toxins released by the bismuth salts and getting them out of you faster. Plus you really should not take it on a constant basis...the protocol he uses calls for pulsed doses over a few week period.
Aside from that, you might be interested to know that onions are loaded with sugar! That could easily be contradicting your other detox efforts.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by Naya to HY, S.H.A.P.E. and anyone else on April 19, 2002 at 18:44:28:
If you are taking too much charcoal, you could be creating vitamin and mineral deficiencies as well as deficiencies in proteins and essential fats. I also don't believe Pepto Bismol is great to take on a daily basis. What is going on lately that you feel you need this?
The onions? Too much of ANYTHING can cause a problem by 1) creating an excess of something, or 2) by creating a deficiency of something else due to lack of variation. Vary your diet and you will feel better
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by Helping You on April 20, 2002 at 15:56:38:
I just had been taking the charcoal and the Pepto on and off for a couple of weeks, but I have an intensely sensitive system. I was taking them because I was extremely bloated and full of gas all of a sudden over the last six weeks or so, and couln't figure out why. I hadn't been doing anything different, but I suppose I could have become sensitive to something new in my diet. Still haven't figured out what. I did eat some cooked oat bran. Could that have done it? Is oat bran a no-no for LGS?
What you say makes a lot of sense about the imbalances and deficiencies. As always, thanks for your help.
In Reply to: Re: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by labrat on April 20, 2002 at 00:03:14:
Oh, thank you, oh Wise One, for the tip about the onions. I had made two vats of first beef stew and then, chicken soup, loaded with onions and was practically living on that for dinner because I've been too exhausted to prepare meals every night. (I've just been through a big health crisis - not mine - in the family, which left me totally wiped out). So I've been consuming huge amounts of sugar, then. Oh, no! Maybe my candida came back! Well, I've stopped. i knew about the dangers of too many carrots, but not about onions, so thanks for this important piece of info.
In Reply to: Re: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by Naya to labrat on April 20, 2002 at 17:24:25:
If onions have lots of sugar then what vegetables don't? What I mean is I don't understand the reasoning here ...
The calorie count of onions is very low... are you saying that the fact that we usually cook the bej*sus out of them (like in soups) makes them sugary ?
In Reply to: Re: Onions = sugar ? posted by Jan to labrat on April 20, 2002 at 21:04:50:
I would like to know where the sugar is coming from? Onions are very low on the carbohydrate scale, and all sugars fall under the big label of carbohydrates. Even sweet onions are very low in sugar...what you are basing this statement on? Onions, similar to garlic, but not as potent are known killers of certain bacteria.
In Reply to: Re: Onions = sugar ? posted by Jan to labrat on April 20, 2002 at 21:04:50:
Yeah! Jan has a point. Beets are high in sugar, too, aren't they, but not broccoli or asparagus, right? All I know is when I eat a lot of cooked onions, my guts blow up, but not so much if I eat them raw - well, I eat less of them if I eat them raw, but I *can* taste the sugar in them.
In Reply to: Re: Onions = sugar ? posted by bglick on April 20, 2002 at 21:12:47:
In Reply to: Re: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by naya to HY on April 20, 2002 at 17:15:24:
The oat bran COULD have done it. bran in general is not as good for the colon as some would have us believe. in general, cut down on your intake of cereals and starches. the bloating will subside. Try to drink some more water if you can. If you have a benefical bacteria supplement like Flora Source, get on that as well. See how you do in a few days
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Pepto Bismol and Charcoal Capsules posted by Helping You on April 20, 2002 at 23:04:15:
Thanks for the advice!
In Reply to: Re: Onions = sugar ? - Help! Now I'm totally confused! posted by Naya to All on April 20, 2002 at 21:44:32:
All,
I looked and looked to find a reference, but only came up with the link below showing 5 grams of sugar in an 80 gram serving of onion.
I have always been told that onions were sugary and that's why they brown so well. Plus, my mom's diabetic and was told to watch them. I also came across that information after I got CRS and started watching my diet for sugars. I can't remember exactly where I came across it for candida, and I never actually looked it up after that since my dietary efforts seemed to have worked.
During my search, I found few references at all, but some saying that vidalias had as much sugar as an apple or bottle of soda, and that some had up to 15% sugar...I could not find them even listed on the glycemic index.
I don't know if 6% sugar is a lot for you or not. My own feeling is that my search confirmed that onions do in fact have enough sugar for me to continue avoiding them because of my candida.
I was surprised at how hard it was to find any reference to this on the internet. I usually am a whiz at finding info!
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion, though I know it's not enough for those technical types. If anyone else has more info I'd love to see it!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Sorry for all the confusion! posted by labrat on April 20, 2002 at 23:29:39:
There's no need for that! Thanks for going to all that trouble with the research. Actually, 5 grams of sugar in 1/2 a cup is quite a bit. The thing is I have also read that onions, like garlic, have antifungal properties. So if they have all that sugar, how can they be good for Candida? All I know is that if I eat a lot of them, I blow up. Now is that bad bloat or die-off? I have no idea. Again, thanks for all your input, and don't worry about it any more. Maybe somebody else will come up with some more info.
In Reply to: Sorry for all the confusion! posted by labrat on April 20, 2002 at 23:29:39:
Hi, this statement confused me at first, then I thought about it some more. I make soups from scratch and I HAVE experienced a sugar rush type of feeling from certain soups, esp. the ones that are soupier and less thick and contain lighter vegetables. This could EASILY happen when adding the onions in the very beginning (which I usually do) and then they cook and cook along with the lentils and beans. Complex carbohydrates do eventually break down to sugars and this may happen sooner with the onions and light vegetables. Just a thought to add to the mix ....
In Reply to: Re: onions, sugar, etc (g) posted by Jan on April 21, 2002 at 18:21:58:
Hi! yes, I do the same thing if I make soup with onions, that is, add them at the beginning and let them cook for a couple of hours. That may be the answer. Thanks!
In Reply to: Re: onions, sugar, etc (g) posted by Naya to Jan on April 21, 2002 at 19:31:16:
Well, I felt bad since after you questioned it, I realized that was one of those things I "just knew" and hadn't really tracked down why!
Anyway, hope you all figure out your own onion mysteries. I myself loved them, stopped eating them for some time and then when I felt better again, tried to add them back into my diet, but they make me feel and smell so bad that I just don't enjoy them like I used to. I figured that sugar thing was part of the problem.
Thanks for asking though, since it did make me look it up. They are not as sugary as I thought they were, but like I said, sugar enough for me to keep them on my avoid list (coupled with the other problems they give me!)
Take care,
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: onions, sugar, etc (g) posted by labrat on April 22, 2002 at 01:47:46:
In Reply to: Re: onions, sugar, etc (g) posted by Jan on April 21, 2002 at 18:21:58:
Hi, Jan.
I have tried to stay out of this discussion since I really thought someone would come up with the answer before this.
One can eat a sugar beet (so long as they eat the whole thing) without ruining the PWFD process. One can eat a sugar cane (so long as they eat the whole thing) with no problem.
This is because both these vegetables have all the micronutrients necessary to metabolize the sugar contained in them. It is the absence of these micronutrients (that run the Krebs Cycle) causes the problems with sugar when it is concentrated from those sources---every single micronutrient is meticulously removed in the refining process.
See the article on the home page again.
IF anyone is having symptoms from onions, it is NOT from the sugar in the bulb.
Hope this helps.
Walt
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