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I am currently taking a good quality multi-vitamin/mineral, now I am debating replacing it with a whole food concentrate like Perfect Food/Primal Defense. I try to eat as close to a whole foods diet as I can but, it is a very difficult thing to do so I figured some Perfect Food would fill the gap, or should I just stay with my multi? At least with my multi I know generally what amounts of what nutrients I'm getting but, with Perfect Food I'm not as sure because they don't break down the nutritional value like a vitamin/mineral suppliment.
In Reply to: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by Jon on April 24, 2002 at 13:28:42:
I am curious why it is very difficult for you to eat a whole foods diet? There's plenty of unrefined food in grocery stores. Just don't eat fabricated foods! Would you elucidate the process you go through so that I can understand why it's difficult?
In Reply to: Re: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by R. on April 24, 2002 at 14:04:13:
I think the reasons it is hard sometimes are obvious! Can't eat out, can't accept invitations to dinner at friend's homes, travelling may present situations where whole foods are not available 24/7, etc........
Eating perfect whole foods all the time takes a tremendous amount of effort, discipline, willplower and planning ahead. Anytime you want to eat something you did not cook yourself, you probably can't and still be "perfect".
I personally see no reason in most cases to be "perfect" longer than the 6-12 months it takes to break the addiction to refined carbs.
In Reply to: Re: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by kmd on April 24, 2002 at 18:40:53:
I see. I guess it wasn't obvious to me, or I wouldn't be asking.
There are food serving places where you can eat pretty whole foods. Or at least I can because I eat animal based food. It's may even be easier at someone's house.
"Eating perfect whole foods all the time takes a tremendous amount of effort, discipline, willpower and planning ahead."
I just don't perceive this the same way you do. It takes me less time to prepare food than it would to wait for pizza-to-order to arrive. It takes virtually no discipline, willpower and planning ahead. I am serious. Maybe I don't have the same issues you do, but I really don't understand what you're talking about.
When traveling, can't you find eggs somewhere? That's an excellent whole food. Any grocery store would carry vegetables from which you could make a whole food salad or eat them whole. Add some butter, and you get a pretty good food. Of course, if you believe you must have brown rice or some funky bread, you may be out of luck if you are staying in a hotel.
From what I can tell, most of these hurdles are result of your imagination. Talk to Greg for an explanation of this :)
In Reply to: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by Jon on April 24, 2002 at 13:28:42:
Hi, Jon.
I agree with both kmd AND R.
I have gone through this myself so I woudl know how to counsel my patients.
First, you need to find out if this is worth your while. That will only take about 2 weeks (Some people find out in just 3 1/2 days.) That means being PERFECT (do not try this without Beth's Book) for 2 weeks. Carefully document how you feel each day. IF it is worth your while, you will know.
Once you know it is worth your while, making the decisions as to how to do it for 6 months will be easy and after a few weeks will get much easier as you learn how and where to shop and how to use spices.
Concentrated food supplements provide the width of micronutrients, standard vitamins and minerals provide the height (pharmacological effect).
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by R. on April 24, 2002 at 21:06:35:
When you say "pretty whole foods" do you mean close to perfect but not 100% there? Because this is the problem I am referring to. Eating animal based food in a restaurant does not guarantee anything, I would like to see ANY restaurant who prepares chicken or beef without some concoction of marinations, breadings, rancid oils, non-whole food seasoning mixtures, etc.............
I do agree that it is not difficult to eat CLOSE to perfect whole foods. It is the "perfect" part that is difficult.
My husband was doing PERFECT whole foods at one point and then we travelled to visit family. We were subjected to having to eat in restaurants about twice a day and although he did everything possible to remain "perfect" he began to feel awful the first day. Probably due to the cooks' use of things like table salt or spices that have sugars in them, or even cross contamination on the grill. Of course he tried ordering fresh fruit plates but not being far enough into the diet that caused him a problem as well. Did you know that many salad bars coat their lettuce salads with a sugar water mixture?
Travelling with children is an even greater challenge. Especially when one of them has food allergies and the other has sensory food issues.
Maybe you haven't heard Walt's story how he was invited to a friends for dinner and the friend knew all about his perfect diet yet the slip up of using iodized salt had Walt ready to fall asleep for the entire evening.
Yes when travelling I can find eggs but no way to cook them. Salads are not usually an option for me because I don't like most of the stuff people use to make them, and I can't stand any kind of vinegar (or any other dressing for that matter). I don't like tomatoes, onions or mushrooms AT ALL.
I'm really glad that eating perfect whole foods is easy for you, but I can assure you that for most folks it IS quite a challenge. We haven't even gone into the many "issues" (habitual, addictive, psychological, emotional, self-sabotage, subconscious stuff) people have surrounding food.
I know most people understand this.
In Reply to: Re: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by kmd on April 24, 2002 at 18:40:53:
Read the archives for good information about traveling while on the PWFD.
I've been on it for 3 days now. I'm excited to see the results. I thought I had stopped bracing, but my body is becoming further relaxed. Also,this diet change is going to greatly simplify my cooking and shopping. I figure I'll save about 10 hours a week! Time I can use for other, more important things!
In Reply to: Re: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by kmd on April 25, 2002 at 12:37:25:
I see. I wasn't aware of all those issues.
I'd like to comment on a couple of your statements. First of all, eggs can be eaten raw. However, if you want to cook them, you can use a water heating device used by travelers, to cook them. It's a small device (fits in a cup) and will fit any bag. It's called an immersion heater. You can find its description at http://www.oratory.com/travel/pack_list.html.
You can make your own salads in a hotel. Buy raw vegs or whatever you use and either cut them up and add your own dressing (could be just olive oil and/or butter), or just eat the vegs as they are. If you can find some fresh fish, you can eat it raw. Cut in pieces and add to the salad. While this doesn't solve all the issues, this can help somewhat when traveling.
What's the connection between iodized salt and falling asleep? Is that Walt's individual reaction to it?
In Reply to: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by Jon on April 24, 2002 at 13:28:42:
Food concentrates are better for GENERAL health purposes as they provide the full spectrum of nutrients as they appear in nature. Vitamin/mineral isolates should be used when higher intake of these nutrients are needed for disease, deficiency, or imbalance. Only testing can determine the need for vitamins in this way.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Whole food concentrates vs. Vitamin suppliments posted by R. on April 25, 2002 at 15:39:51:
Raw eggs and raw fish, not in this lifetime. Thanks for the other suggestions, but I do not tolerate raw vegetables, they give me severe chest pains.
Iodized salt has dextrose (a sugar) in it.
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