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Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 08:28:42:

I was in the supermarket this morning, to get something to eat for breakfast (Watermelon, fresh fruit, and water)
and I noticed that what is beng sold as "food" isn't actuall food anymore. A melange of chemicals I can barely
pronounce, much less have an idea why it's in there.
And I don't remember this stuff being in my food when I was growing up. Soup is filled partially hydrogenated oil,
cottonseed oil, and emlusifiers. In fact, almost every liquid seems to have those "ingredients."
And sugar. Loads of sugar. Fructose, High fructose corn syryp, corn syryp, sugar, and my favorite "enriched sugar"

I don't understand why there is no food in the supermarket. Just row upon row of stuff stuff brewed up in some laboratory.
Some of it I can turn back into food with my neutralizing ring, and my energy crystal, but there is that nagging
feeling that I shouldn't have to -like I'm living in some bizarre science fiction society that doesn't even
realize that what they are eating isn't really food after all.
How the hell did things get this way? What do the people who foist this crap on the rest of eat?
{sigh}
Maybe I can make it to 2012...



Lightwalking,
Gregory



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Joanie on October 08, 2002 at 08:44:45:

In Reply to: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 08:28:42:

Gregory,

Where have you been? Lightwalking, I'm assuming. :o) This stuff has been around for years and years. There's just more products to choose from now with those nasty ingredients. Maybe we are just paying more attention what's in our food than we used to. I know I am.

Namaste`

Joanie



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Aaron on October 08, 2002 at 08:51:56:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Joanie on October 08, 2002 at 08:44:45:

Gregorey.......
Try out the "natural foods" section of a wegmans etc...
That would be a good place to start.

Just an idea...
Aaron

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Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by ~CT on October 08, 2002 at 10:12:03:

In Reply to: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 08:28:42:

Ahhh Gregory~ You could've made a public statement right then and there - had you been in the aisle where they sell hamburger helper. Reading the list of ingredients that "help" people fix their hormone/antibiotic/e-coli laced beef might have made you puke

I'm certain that if I were at our local 'grocery' store during a storm and the lights went out, all the customers could be safely guided through the isles by the bright red neon 'beef'!



I've noticed this for a long time now...

Posted by labrat on October 08, 2002 at 16:17:49:

In Reply to: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 08:28:42:

while waiting in line I notice what's in other people's carts. Chips, dips, cold cuts, hostess hohos, cases of diet, caffiene free soda pop, whole wheat pepperidge farm bread, frosted flakes, microwave meals of all sorts...the infamous Hambuger Helper!

I don't consider most of it food at all!

Then I see the folks pushing the carts - so many obese ones, with hyper active kids and runny noses or bad coughs...then the checkout folks who all seem to have brainfog all the time, they're so slow and confused - most don't even know what the produce is that I buy. I have to tell them what a parsnip is, or fennel...

Me, I go around the edges of the store (in proper ratlike fashion) to produce section, meat and fish counters, and I'm outta there! Sometimes I venture in "the middle" to get paper goods or some such thing, and it's mind-boggling the "products" that are out there that people EAT!

Yikes.

~~~8>



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by DianeAC on October 08, 2002 at 16:34:51:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Joanie on October 08, 2002 at 08:44:45:

I learned long ago to read labels carefully before buying. Occasionally my husband slips something into the house that I NEVER would have bought. He's gradually learning.

But occasionally I "slip" too - or maybe it's just a matter of making a choice, a poor one, perhaps, but still it is a choice.

What you can do, and I do regularly, is use the 800 numbers on many food product packages and call to let them know what you think.

One of my recent "choices" has been salmon-flavored cream cheese. I know, I know. But darn it, I love the stuff! This morning I made myself read the ingredients. Wow! Red#40. Sodium nitrite. MSG. I told the woman who manned the phone that despite it's being one of my favorite snacks, I would not be buying any more. She started to reply saying, "But the..." I interrupted by saying that if she was going to quote that the FDA had approved, blah blah blah to just never mind. I also mentioned that any benefits gained by the use of these additives no doubt went directly into the CEO's pockets as excess profits but none to her as an employee or me as an ex-consumer. Actually, our conversation was a lot more friendly than it sounds here.

Anyway, I think it's important to let these poisoners of our food supply know what we think of them and their products.

Oh, by the way, the recent Fritolay announcement that they were going to stop using hydrogenated oils came not long after one of my calls to them. Do you think, maybe....just maybe? Nah. Well, maybe.



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Lyndsie on October 08, 2002 at 18:45:41:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by ~CT on October 08, 2002 at 10:12:03:

CT,
I understand your frustrations and your point on the garbage people it. However, I find it very upsetting to hear people saying things about beef that aren't true. Like your statement 'hormone/antibiotic/e-coli laced beef'. That is such an unfair, untrue statement. My husband and I are cattle ranchers for a living and our living the past how many years has sucked thanks to stupid dumb, senseless comments by uneducated people like yourself. I can guarantee you that 99% of the beef that is e-coli tainted (like when people get sick from eating a hamburger at some joint, etc.) isn't from the producer or the packing plant. It comes from the cook, going to the john, taking a big old dump and then not washing his hands, returning to the kitchen grabbing your burger and throwing it on the grill. As far as the antibiotic, hormone thing....well.....you have no clue. Not one of our beef calves (we raise 800 head a year) have hormones in them before they go to slaughter. They are raised on corn, grass, hay and water. Do we give them antibiotics? If they have pneumonia, yes or they would die. Does that go into their meat? Highly unlikely. So, please before you go spouting your mouth putting beef down, know what you are talking about first. You probably don't know the first thing about ranching or animals. Do you think pork (from pigs) and poultry (comes from chicken, turkey, etc.), or veal (comes from baby dairy calves) meat is any different than beef? Knowledge is power. I suggest you get some before bringing up the subject again. Thank you.



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Interested on October 08, 2002 at 19:00:35:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Lyndsie on October 08, 2002 at 18:45:41:

I would like some information from you. Exactly what is in the corn feed and water? Could you give me the brand name of the corn feed and from where do you get it? Are there pesticides on the grass and hay? How often and how many cows do you find you must give antibiotics to because of illness (what percentage of the cows and what percentage of the time)? Are they free range cattle, if so, why and how do they get sick, if not, are they raised on cement and how much room do they have - i.e. are they stuck up to their knees in manure, crammed next to each other? Which slaughter house do you send them to? What methods do they use for slaughter? What happens to them after they leave your ranch (where are they held, for how long and what are they fed)? How old are they when they leave your care? Where is your ranch located?

I am looking for sanely raised beef and am having a hard time. If you actually do have clean beef, I would like to know how to get some. I already found a producer for chicken.

Thank you.



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by ~CT on October 08, 2002 at 19:39:10:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Lyndsie on October 08, 2002 at 18:45:41:

Yikes Lindsey!!

I've cut my share of calves and given a few shots way back when. We used to raised the beef that was consumed by our family. I like to eat beef, and chicken, and pork, just not the kind at MY local grocery store chain because it does not taste like beef, or chicken, or pork - at least not to me and compared to the organic meat I consume.

My sincere apologies to you, and anyone, who run an honest to goodness business and are hurt by what the suppliers do with your animals after they get them.

The name calling wasn't necessary to get attention, and as far as spouting off at the mouth, well.......



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Re: I've noticed this for a long time now...

Posted by Dahlimama on October 08, 2002 at 21:34:27:

In Reply to: I've noticed this for a long time now... posted by labrat on October 08, 2002 at 16:17:49:

I share all these feelings and experiences as well. But, I must say I love your descriptions. Hilarious!

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Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Mary on October 08, 2002 at 22:09:14:

In Reply to: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 08:28:42:

You are so right. There is not any real food left in a traditional supermarket.

When God created man and woman, he gave them all good things to eat. Genesis tells us that God gave us fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds to eat. Later he specified which animals would be fit for human consumption. Everything was a whole food free from harm. Now some thousands of years later, our food is processed and full of pestisides, antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. We are sending ourselves right into destruction. We need to get back to the way God intended!

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It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya.

Posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 22:55:33:

In Reply to: I've noticed this for a long time now... posted by labrat on October 08, 2002 at 16:17:49:

Sometimes I go on a nostalgia kick. That is why the transition is so discordant. I expect the stuff
I ate as a kid to be as "pure" as that bygone era. I remember when I could could pronounce everything
on the label of a Campbells's soup can. It seemed there was some manner of integrity to what a company
would put into it's products -like they expect human beings to be able to eat the stuff.

Not only do I wonder at what they themselves eat, but Iwonder why these unnatural chemicals are
put in inthe first place. It seems like it would be cheaper to go with a simple ingredient list
rather than procuring these various chemicals. I feel safe[r] with my energizing & neutralizing
equipment, but I don't like having to have got them in the first place, and the fact that the
people we trust to provide food provide only propaganda on how healthy their nasty, contaminated
concoctions are.

Also while I as in the supermarket this morning I was school children buying what I presumed to
be their lunch.

Gummy Bears. Soda, and a turkey sandwhich. These are children with clueless, stupid parents.

Turkery (as per the news yesterday) has been linked to 7 deaths in the NY area from contamination.
Would it have been so difficult to tell your kid buy any kind of sandwhich except turkey? Onthe other
hand, why expect the kid to buy anything nutritious in the first place. Give the kid a fiver, and
problem solved.

And these kids. Fat, most of them.

Sometimes I get the feeling that people are blind, deaf and dumb. Like this state of affairs is
normal somehow. Like I'm point to something that no one else can see, and that it is trivial in
any event.

Well enough ranting.



Nightwalking,
Gregory




Lyndsie

Posted by jgv on October 08, 2002 at 23:00:03:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Lyndsie on October 08, 2002 at 18:45:41:

Have you ever thought of keeping your cattle from going to the feedlot where so much of the unclean practices begin? There is a growing demand for 100% pasture raised meat start to finish. The farm I patronize (RiverRun in Clatskanie, WA at the Portland, OR Farmer's Market) got a mention in the NY Times and can't fill requests as it stands already. When I first saw them at the Market 3 years ago, nobody was at their table. Now I run there first to get a better choice. Maybe you could make a decent living (I don't know where you are in the country as it would factor into grass growth) and actually benefit from the fact that the public is down on feed lot beef.

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Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya.

Posted by Terri-Lynn on October 08, 2002 at 23:12:08:

In Reply to: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 22:55:33:

Thanks Gregory!
Seen this for along time also;
Perhaps reading this will wake up a few more at a time.
Cooking is in again as far as i'm concerned [never left some of us] that way one does not need to buy so much junk [processed foods in packages and in can's]

Organic is the way to go-Best way though is to grow our own!
Our garden is almost ready for picking!



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 23:19:13:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by DianeAC on October 08, 2002 at 16:34:51:

I'd give real money to find out why the "started" using hydrogenated oils in the first place.
Looks like it will be a long day of telephoning to find out why various ingredients where chosen in
the first place, assuming I get the truth. I went looking for that announcement you mentioned.

I found THIS and this instead and cross rerefenced it to this page, but it hardly made me feel better about consuming any of
these things in a moment of weakness...



Darkwalking,
Gregory




Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by DianeAC on October 09, 2002 at 00:54:54:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 23:19:13:

Gregory, holy smokes! What a site, "Breaking News and Health Articles" - even if I live to a hundred I could probably not finish all the articles mentioned. Guess the best I can do is bookmark the spot and take it one chunk and a time. But thanks - looks so interesting.

Sorry, I just don't remember where I read the Frito-Lay thing - quite possibly a local newspaper (Chico or Paradise, CA). But I do definitely remember that because I really just had phoned them about their deplorable use of hydrogenated oils which they did not openly admit because the "FDA does not require" listing of all the fats - just the saturated and monounsaturated ones, I think it is. Anyway, if you read the Fat Section listed under Ingredients you will frequently notice that the total percentages of fats shown will add up to less than the total amount shown. Pretty sneaky, huh?

As to why they hydrogenate the oils in the first place, come on Gregory - you know that. It's called PROFITS. Specifically, longer shelf life. Texture has something to do with it, too. SOMEone has to pay for all those CEO bonuses, etc. Might as well be us.

OK, so now you know. You can mail my check to.......... :)



Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya.

Posted by Joanie on October 09, 2002 at 07:42:16:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. posted by Terri-Lynn on October 08, 2002 at 23:12:08:

Terri-Lynn,

I tried a garden a long time ago, and failed. It's hard to grow anything in sand. What's your secret?

Namaste`

Joanie



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Joanie on October 09, 2002 at 07:57:01:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Interested on October 08, 2002 at 19:00:35:

Interested,

Where do you live?

Joanie



Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. (FINDHORN)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:12:14:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. posted by Joanie on October 09, 2002 at 07:42:16:

Hi, Joanie.

Read a book called "Findhorn". I am sure that your library can find you a copy.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



There's no food in the supermarket (Healthy Beef?) Archive in whole foods.

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:30:05:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Lyndsie on October 08, 2002 at 18:45:41:

Thanks, Lyndsie, for the attempt at balance but take it a little easier on CT.

I was born and raised on a big beef and dairy farm in Ohio. My stupidest & greedy brother still runs it. He is big on hormones and antibiotics!

I watched and even helped add massive amount of hormones and antibiotics to our cattle before I knew anything about health and I know that the practice is a lot more prevalent now than it was 40 years ago. When I go home to visit I am appalled at what is going on.

Just yesterday our local newspaper had a full page article about a University of Wisconsin veterinarian discovery that more accurately could catch "udder tampering" with antibiotics. Even with the ridiculously lenient rules now in place, they found that more than 50% of farmers were tampering far beyond the law.

Your beef is a distinct anomaly and you are to be congratulated for your efforts. However the people that do what you are doing produce less than 1% of the product.

I am sure that your characterization of the e-coli is correct in the main. However, in this country they seem to be able to trace many cases back to a certain "batch" which means that there are other places to get contamination than by the cook.

The only way I know of for the public to protect itself is to KNOW from whence the beef (and dairy) comes and not buy any other but your type of product.

You could be perhaps more productive if you could tell the BB exactly how to DO that.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:32:28:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Interested on October 08, 2002 at 19:00:35:

Thanks, Interested.

Good point. We have well and truly fouled our nest on this planet.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:53:13:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by DianeAC on October 09, 2002 at 00:54:54:

Thanks, Diane AC.

Just as most car owners have figured out: you must use the best oil, etc., in your car to prevent expensive repairs later on. The same is true of our bodies and food.

Walt

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Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket (Archive in resources.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:54:53:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 23:19:13:

Thanks, Gregory.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. (FINDHORN)

Posted by Joanie on October 09, 2002 at 10:21:53:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. (FINDHORN) posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:12:14:

Thanks Walt.

Namaste`

Joanie

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Re: There's no food in the supermarket (Healthy Beef?) Archive in whole foods.

Posted by ktj on October 09, 2002 at 11:46:38:

In Reply to: There's no food in the supermarket (Healthy Beef?) Archive in whole foods. posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:30:05:

Organic Valley is the largest farmer owned cooperative in North America. They started out with 7 farms in Wisconsin and now have over 400 family farms in 17 states.

I order O.V.'s frozen ground beef by the case from my local health food store. Expensive ($30 for 6 -1 lb. packages) but worth it. The store owner said their dairy cows live long, happy lives and when they're no longer able to produce, they're slaughtered for meat. I'd like to think it's true!



Website is www.organicvalley.com

Posted by ktj on October 09, 2002 at 11:50:36:

In Reply to: Re: There's no food in the supermarket (Healthy Beef?) Archive in whole foods. posted by ktj on October 09, 2002 at 11:46:38:

nmi

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FYI: most "ethnic" frozen food is made with whole(er) foods...

Posted by Wendy O. on October 09, 2002 at 14:06:36:

In Reply to: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Gregory on October 08, 2002 at 08:28:42:

And this pisses me off the most. It's like **WHY** can't the companies marketing to American-born people make convenience food that's editable? Are they TRYING to kill us all? Don't they realize that if we're all dead they won't have anyone to market to? Unbelievable.

I share your aggravation, and get annoyed with "the people who make the food" daily! I'm busy --- I'd like to be able to buy healthy convenient food instead of spending so much time cooking and pre-cooking meals. But it's just VERY hard to come by.

I guess the bottom line is demand. If there were more of a demand, there might be a larger supply.



Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket

Posted by Pesty on October 09, 2002 at 14:39:19:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Lyndsie on October 08, 2002 at 18:45:41:

How about pesticides? Here is a list of pesticides found in ground beef as tested and reported by the EPA:

DDE, P,P'
has the following health effects:

Carcinogen
Damages Reproductive System
Causes Birth Defects
Damages Brain and Nervous System
Interferes with Hormones

Dieldrin
has the following health effects:

Carcinogen
Damages Reproductive System
Damages Brain and Nervous System
Interferes with Hormones
Damages Immune System

Lindane
has the following health effects:

Carcinogen
Damages Reproductive System
Causes Birth Defects
Damages Brain and Nervous System
Interferes with Hormones
Damages Immune System

Here's one found on steak:
Polychlorinated Biphenyls
has the following health effects:

Carcinogen
Damages Reproductive System
Causes Birth Defects
Damages Brain and Nervous System
Interferes with Hormones
Damages Immune System

Safe levels are not really known and are suggested based on only consuming that one particular pesticide, not a myriad of them. Go to the website below, put in your shopping list and take a look at what you may be consuming at any one time.




Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. (FINDHORN)

Posted by Terri-Lynn on October 09, 2002 at 16:20:11:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. (FINDHORN) posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:12:14:

Hi Joanie, Nice to connect with you again;
Thanks Walt book brought back memories;
I love that book on Findhorn Garden in Scotland and i've been to the place and believe in talking to the vegetables and believe that the plants have a nature spirit that communicates with us. Wonderful book they put out and you might even be able to find the video tape on the center they have and her talking to the nature spirits and the colors in the video are beautiful;

When you are in so much sand though Joanie, you would need to build a good compose with just gathering things, like dried leaves and all kinds of things, i know at the ranch they have rock and built there compose out of even peanut hulls [truck came out and dumped a load] and leaves and rabbit droppings ect. Anything can be done, let the soil talk to you on what it wants or get some advice for growing in sand; You can call Linda at the ranch in Texas at 1-830-669-2649 or Symbi call my home,[ or e mail me] they will talk with you about it more in your really interested in tackeling it. We can tell you the minerals to put on the soil if interested;



Lightwalking through Other Kingdoms (for Terri-Lynn)

Posted by Gregory on October 09, 2002 at 16:43:17:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. (FINDHORN) posted by Terri-Lynn on October 09, 2002 at 16:20:11:

I imagine that you will find this book of even more interest then...



Lightwalking,
Gregory

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To: Interested...

Posted by Mary on October 10, 2002 at 01:14:12:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Joanie on October 09, 2002 at 07:57:01:

Interested- I'd like to know what your source is for chicken.
Thank you for your sharp thinking.
Mary



(Healthy Beef?) Archive in whole foods. REFERENCE

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 10, 2002 at 07:39:43:

In Reply to: Re: There's no food in the supermarket (Healthy Beef?) Archive in whole foods. posted by ktj on October 09, 2002 at 11:46:38:

Thanks, ktj.

This is the type of constructive information we need!

Namaste`

Walt

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FYI: most "ethnic" frozen food is made with whole(er) foods...(Archive in whole

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 10, 2002 at 08:13:08:

In Reply to: FYI: most "ethnic" frozen food is made with whole(er) foods... posted by Wendy O. on October 09, 2002 at 14:06:36:

Thanks, Wendy O.

I think it is called "make a buck today and the hell with tomorrow". Oops! That attitude is really unknown in business today! :o) :>0 :)

Namaste`

Walt


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Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket (Archive in whole foods.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 10, 2002 at 08:30:07:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, There's no food in the supermarket posted by Pesty on October 09, 2002 at 14:39:19:

Thanks, Pesty.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 10, 2002 at 08:42:32:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I gotta tell ya. (FINDHORN) posted by Terri-Lynn on October 09, 2002 at 16:20:11:

Thanks, Terri-Lynn.

Is the real title "Findhorn Garden in Scotland"? I had forgotten.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: To: Interested...

Posted by Interested on October 10, 2002 at 11:41:27:

In Reply to: To: Interested... posted by Mary on October 10, 2002 at 01:14:12:

I shop at Whole Foods Market and they sell chickens there called Rosie Chicken and Rocky Chicken. I researched their farming methods and they are the cleanest I have come across. I do not like one thing that they feed the Rosie chicken and that includes soybeans, but the feed is at least pesticide free. If you are interested, this is their website:



Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.)

Posted by Terri-Lynn on October 10, 2002 at 15:49:40:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 10, 2002 at 08:42:32:

Hi Walt! I was up in your home town Lexington and saw Kay i Louville. Well Walt i'm not positive about the exact name of the book, but i know it is about the Findhorn garden and how Ilean Caddy spoke to the devia kingdom and it is in Scotland. I'll look around, we do have the video at the ranch and it is beautiful to see. The last time i was in Scotland the garden had been run down though and it is small, but i still enjoyed what they offer there. I don't think Ilean is focused on the garden any more, but she is busy teaching still.



Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.)

Posted by FYI on October 10, 2002 at 15:59:21:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.) posted by Terri-Lynn on October 10, 2002 at 15:49:40:

Is this the book?

Author: Riddell, Carol
Title: The Findhorn Community : creating a human identity for the 21st century / Carol Riddell
Publisher: Findhorn, Forres, Moray, Scotland : Findhorn Press, 1991



Two more books on Findhorn....

Posted by ktj on October 10, 2002 at 16:12:07:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.) posted by FYI on October 10, 2002 at 15:59:21:

The Findhorn Garden
Pioneering a New Vision of Man and Nature in Cooperation
By the Findhorn Community
Foreward by William Irwin Thompson
(Great pictures in this one)

The Spirit of Findhorn
Eileen Caddy

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Organic chicken (Archive in PWFD.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 11, 2002 at 06:51:23:

In Reply to: Re: To: Interested... posted by Interested on October 10, 2002 at 11:41:27:

Thanks, Interested.

Walt

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Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 11, 2002 at 07:58:37:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.) posted by Terri-Lynn on October 10, 2002 at 15:49:40:

Thanks, Terri-Lynn.

I am sorry to hear that Findhorn is not fluorishing. They deserve better.

I am glad that you could make contact with Kay, though. Aren't they wonderful people?

Namaste`

Walt



Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 11, 2002 at 08:00:14:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.) posted by FYI on October 10, 2002 at 15:59:21:

Thanks, FYI & ktj!

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: To: Interested...

Posted by Terri-Lynn on October 11, 2002 at 16:06:39:

In Reply to: Re: To: Interested... posted by Interested on October 10, 2002 at 11:41:27:

Has anyone tried Empire Kosher Chicken? I love them, there always in the freezer department. They say they are natural, but who knows what that means, i just love the flavor of them, they are so moist and once eating one of these is is hard to eat anything else of the chicken family; If i get to a whole foods though i'll try there's-thanks!

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Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.)

Posted by Terri-Lynn on October 11, 2002 at 16:15:30:

In Reply to: Re: It isn't much of a "lightwalkl" I (FINDHORN) (Archive in ecology.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 11, 2002 at 07:58:37:

Yes, Yes wonderful folks and boy they love you, your poster is all over the house, you are there mentor for health and i understand! hum-

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