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Hi
there are very sweet vegetables like carrots, pumpkin or peperoni. Do they not have a kind of sugar? which one? So why are they allowed?
and sweet chestnut....is it allowed? why?
thanks Mara
In Reply to: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Mara on February 02, 2003 at 12:02:53:
To my way of thinking, these vegetables need to be limited on the diet. Carrots DO contain sugar
-HY
In Reply to: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Mara on February 02, 2003 at 12:02:53:
Hi, Mara.
I am going to disagree with HY on this one.
The ratio of natural sugars to the micronutrients needed to metabolize them (Kreb's Cycle) is good enough that these should not be any problem.
Walt
In Reply to: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Mara on February 02, 2003 at 12:02:53:
thanks
and so does fresh coconut?
In Reply to: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Mara on February 02, 2003 at 12:02:53:
So if speaking with Walt, veggies do contain enough Micronutrients for the Krebs cycle and are therefore allowed ond candidadiet....does this mean fruits dont have enough micronurtirents? and doesnt the fungus "eat" the sugar of the veggies?
And speaking with HY: small amounts of sweet veggies are allowed you say, but I always read it's crucial to eliminiate any kind and ALL of the sugar.
All this doesnt sound logical to me
Thank you for clearing answers
Mara
In Reply to: Re: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Walt Stoll on February 03, 2003 at 07:58:15:
That's ok, we can't agree all the time right? :-)
Anyway, although what you say is true, my research indicates that starchy vegetables WILL worsen a candida problem if it is bad enough, and the degree of this worsening also depends on what else the person is doing (SR, antifunglas, probiotics, diet, ect). Even though benefits of the nutrients outweighs the sugars contained in them, for some reason, I guess unknown to me, candida will often thrive. I have recieved reports of increased gas and bloating on starchy vegetables, and an overall worsening of dybiosis scores on Organix test and CDSA. Something must be causing this? I still think it's the sugar. Also, the fact that some people get hypoglyemic eating carrots tells me that the sugar DOES impact the endocrine system. Since candida affects the entire endocrine system, it makes sense to limit foods that will imbalance this further. No?
-HY
In Reply to: Re: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Helping You on February 03, 2003 at 23:45:32:
Hello Helpimng you
can you tell me what are starchy vegetables?
I already avoid most grains, but want to make sure that i am not eating too many starchy vegetables. do you think i should avoid ALL grains or is some toast everyday ok?
In Reply to: please make me understand this...doesnt sound logical posted by Mara on February 03, 2003 at 10:01:35:
Thanks, Mara.
It is the RATIO of micronutrients to calories that triggers the Kreb's Cycle response. Vegetables have a lot less calories in relationship to the micronutrients!
No one who lives totally on vegetables can get fat.
In addition, most of the carbohydrates in vegies are much more slowly metabolized than the short chain carbohydrates in fruits.
There are a very few people who have so damaged their Kreb's Cycle that they cannot even eat starchy vegies. These people have to start repair by eating very small meals every half hour.
The only thing that can prove this to you is for you to try it.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Helping You on February 03, 2003 at 23:45:32:
Thanks, HY.
The important phrase here is "if it is bad enough". In my experience that includes less than 2-3% of cases of C-RS. I elect to not complicate the programs of the other 97-98% just to include the last 2-3%. Then, if the individual is not getting results on time, I suggest that modification.
This is complex enough without having everyone on the most restrictive diet possible when nearly all of them do not have to do it.
Are we now closer together :o)?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: please make me understand this...doesnt sound logical (Archive in PWFD.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 04, 2003 at 08:47:35:
..this means I can eat one carrot a day, without "tempting" my candidafungus....great, thats helpful
Mara
In Reply to: Re: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Walt Stoll on February 04, 2003 at 11:06:37:
YUP!! I guess I am just used to dealing with some of those 2-3% cases. I get people contacting me with 3 strains of 4+ candida, 4+ klebsiella, blastocytis homminus, imbalanced flora, PLUS alkaline pH and low levels of benefical flora. Many of these people told me that the antifungals they took did them no good. When I ask what they are eating, almost all of them are on high-starch diets. When we cut these (not eliminate, just reduce), many of the scores improve on follow-up CDSA's. When we add PD or some other remedy that works against their pathogen, these clear up almost all the time. Then, we just have to get them to stop bracing so that they don't end up back here again. I guess that I have dealt with so many difficult cases, I sometimes forget to keep things simple :-) Thanks for reminding me
-HY
In Reply to: Re: sweet veggies and sweet chestnut- why allowed on Canidadiet? posted by Sarah on February 04, 2003 at 04:52:33:
Only avoid all grains if you are overweight, diabetic, pre-diabetic (insulin resistance), or suffer from hypoglycemia, IBS, Crohn's disease, UC, or IBD. If not, I would go with sprouted grains as the anti-nutrients are eliminated.
Starchy vegetables are carrots, peas, sweet potatoes, beans, potatoes, pumpkin,..you get the idea. These do not have to eliminated, only reduced in my opinion. Eat them as sides, instead of main dishes.
-HY
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