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Btw, Whats the Reason.....

Posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 07:01:15:

for no canned food on the Anti Candida diet. I have some canned oysters sitting in my locker at work in case I have have a snack attack and need some "safe" food! So why cant I have them if they're canned, please?

*~ BLISS ~*



It's processed...

Posted by labrat on March 04, 2003 at 07:50:51:

In Reply to: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 07:01:15:

Bliss,

I am again not sure of the EXACT reason behind this rule. I just know it was a rule when I was doing my own anti candida diet. If I recall, it had to do with the energy (or lack thereof) of canned foods. They have been processed, usually under high heat.

I followed Dr. Crook's book, Robert McFerran's suggestions and a doctor's advice as well.

Candida is opportunistic. If you don't give it a chance to overgrow, then it won't. If you already did give it the chance, then you have to work harder to get rid of it than you would have to prevent it...keeping your body nourished with whole, fresh foods that are low in sugars and starches is the way to do it, along with some sort of anti fungal (depending on who you listen to).

Maybe someone else can shed more light on this.

~~~8>

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p.s.

Posted by labrat on March 04, 2003 at 08:17:48:

In Reply to: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 07:01:15:

I did a search on Google for "candida diet canned foods" and nearly all the results said to avoid them, and this is only looking at the search results page!

I think the short answer is that canned = processed.

~~~8>

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Re: Btw, Whats the Reason.....

Posted by Happygal on March 04, 2003 at 10:31:36:

In Reply to: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 07:01:15:

Hi Miss Bliss,

I didn't read about no canned foods in Beth Loiselle's book. Aren't you just following the PWFD with the candida restrictions in Beth's book? I think Walt says the other candida diets aren't as effective.

Best wishes,
Happygal



Re: Btw, Whats the Reason.....

Posted by labrat on March 04, 2003 at 12:01:06:

In Reply to: Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Happygal on March 04, 2003 at 10:31:36:

I will be curious to see Walt's take on this. In my learning experience it's been sort of a common thread that canned food has no energy.

On top of that, I don't see how in the world it can be considered a whole food.

I bought Beth's book some time ago, but gave it to somebody - it was not really useful to me since I need so much more meat in my diet, and I'd already figured out pretty much what whole foods were - which didn't include cans ;-)!

For what it's worth, I don't have candida any more.

~~~8>



How about home canning...

Posted by ~CT on March 04, 2003 at 13:10:19:

In Reply to: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 07:01:15:

since it is done using high heat levels? I haven't done it in quite a few years but have been looking forward to doing it again.



Whats the Reason.Archive in PWFD. Preservation % in different methods.

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 2003 at 14:54:24:

In Reply to: Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by labrat on March 04, 2003 at 12:01:06:

Thanks, Labrat.

Food just picked from the onganic garden has nearly 100% of it's midronutrients available. Within a few minutes that % begins to drop. That is why fresh frozen vegies are probably better (average of 85% of the micronutrients fairly stable for months) than fresh produce in the store because of the long time between picking it and the time you buy it at the store. Canned veggies have about 60% of their micronutrients just from the canning process--forget about the time between when it is picked and when it is canned. Dried vegies maintain about 95% of their micronutrients for years.

The most difficult things in vegies to destroy are the calories.

Hope this helps.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Whats the Reason.Archive in PWFD. Preservation % in different methods.

Posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 14:59:28:

In Reply to: Whats the Reason.Archive in PWFD. Preservation % in different methods. posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 2003 at 14:54:24:

Walt,

Does this apply to ALL canned foods or just canned vegetables? What about canned meats including seafood? What about canned legumes?




Re: Whats the Reason.Archive in PWFD. Preservation % in different methods.

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 2003 at 15:01:43:

In Reply to: Re: Whats the Reason.Archive in PWFD. Preservation % in different methods. posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 14:59:28:

Thanks, Miss.

All canned foods. The reason I archived it under WFD is because it only relates to whole foods. All the other %s would be worse.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... Candida?

Posted by Happygal on March 05, 2003 at 05:49:25:

In Reply to: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 07:01:15:

Hi Everyone,

I agree with everyone that canned foods are not optimum. No question about that. I too avoid them most of the time, but there are simply occasions when there's no time for meal preparation.

But I think that the question was, will canned foods make candida worse? And I think Miss Bliss' ultimate question was, how does she resolve her candida?

Is her eating a can of oysters going to cause her a candida problem?

Best wishes,
Happygal



Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... Candida? (Walt???)

Posted by Miss Bliss on March 05, 2003 at 06:06:22:

In Reply to: Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... Candida? posted by Happygal on March 05, 2003 at 05:49:25:

Thanks Happygal!

You saved me having to type out another post. :)

*~ BLISS ~*

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Re: Btw, Whats the Reason....

Posted by Miss Bliss on March 05, 2003 at 06:17:29:

In Reply to: Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Happygal on March 04, 2003 at 10:31:36:

Hi again Happygal

I am following the anti candida diet in Beths book, but also following what my naturopath recommends. Its pretty much all whole foods either way, plus I use my own judgement. I "know" grains are no good for me, so it makes it doubly hard to find suitable foods/snacks when I need it. Not being able to have canned foods, is a double whammy! I like to sometimes have canned tuna etc etc. Its so much more convenient. I dont always have the time to make things from scratch. Thats why I liked most of your snack suggestions back in early January.

I read about no canned foods here on the board for whole foods diet, but was curious as to the reason why. I like to understand WHY something is the way it is, and not simply because I was told thats just the way it is. (maybe I am a little too curious)


*~ BLISS ~*



Re: Btw, Whats the Reason.....

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 2003 at 06:28:45:

In Reply to: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Miss Bliss on March 04, 2003 at 07:01:15:

Hi, Miss.

At the very best, 40% of the calories in canned food has no micronutrients to cover their metabolism throught the Kreb's Cycle. See my previoius post.

Walt



Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... Candida?

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 2003 at 06:31:46:

In Reply to: Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... Candida? posted by Happygal on March 05, 2003 at 05:49:25:

Probably not, Happygal.

However, this is because the calories in that can of oysters are totally fat and protein which are not metabolized through the Kreb's Cycle.

Surely hope this helps.

Namaste`

Walt

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What's the Reason.. Canned oysters will not bother a candida diet? Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 2003 at 06:33:22:

In Reply to: Re: Btw, Whats the Reason..... posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 2003 at 06:28:45:

NMI



Re: What's the Reason.. Canned oysters will not bother a candida diet? Archive

Posted by Miss Bliss on March 05, 2003 at 06:35:56:

In Reply to: What's the Reason.. Canned oysters will not bother a candida diet? Archive posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 2003 at 06:33:22:

Yay! I can have that can of oysters now! Thanks Walt! :)

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Re: How about home canning...

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 2003 at 06:36:22:

In Reply to: How about home canning... posted by ~CT on March 04, 2003 at 13:10:19:

Thanks, ~CT.

Perhaps it is the heat that helps destroy the micronutrients (just as is done with ALL canning). The advantage of home canning is that you KNOW what you are canning and the food is much more quickly transported from the ground to the can than in commercial enterprises.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Btw, Whats the Reason.... Miss Bliss!

Posted by Happygal on March 05, 2003 at 08:46:52:

In Reply to: Re: Btw, Whats the Reason.... posted by Miss Bliss on March 05, 2003 at 06:17:29:

Hi Miss Bliss,

Well I was just wondering because some recent posts have reflected that you're still eating fruit. (In those muffins!) If I recall correctly, fruit is one thing not to eat on the candida diet.

I wish you can find the resolution!

Best wishes,
Happygal

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