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Can a whole foods diet be maintained while shopping at a conventional grocery store or is it essential that the meat and veggies be purchased grass fed and organic respectively. I have been on a strict whole foods diet for 9 mos with little relief seen but there is truthfully no whole foods stores anywhere near me. Truly. Closest one is 45 mins maybe more and is not even a very good one.
In Reply to: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 06:34:04:
Hi,
Whole Food does not mean it has to be organic. It simply means the whole of the food ie. with nothing done to it. An example is a potato, a tomato, a piece of fruit, whole grain bread etc. Processed foods are not whole foods.
It's better if you can get your hands on organic whole food but if not just do the best you can.
Regards,
In Reply to: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 06:34:04:
I dont know the technical definition of whole food diet but let me tell you i have been ordering organic meat online from lassiter farms and http://beechmountainranch.com/
it is great!!!! much better prices than in my health food store who sells a free range chikin for $10! however we do eat some grocery story meat, im sure its not as healthy but in reality its what happens. cant imagine doing this diet with kids, cud not afford it!
In Reply to: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 06:34:04:
Hi Simple,
Keep going with the diet (whether organic or not) and consider adding the other legs of the stool. Remember, each leg helps the other ones exponentially.
What are your health issues?
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 06:34:04:
I am blessed with several stores very close by that carry organic fruits, veggies, eggs, chicken, etc. They do not, however, carry grass-fed beef. Therefore, I order it online. If I could not get the other produce, I would also order that online. It is worth it to know you are not getting all the hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides in your food.
In Reply to: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 06:34:04:
well, i disagree with the poster who says whole food doesn't mean organic, i think it does. If it has pesticides, its damaged and will produce some of the same toxic affects as processed food. Have you talked to your local grocer about adding an organic section to the produce section? Hang a petition in a few public places (even the grocery store!) stating the demand for organic foods in your area.
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Happygal on April 28, 2003 at 07:55:20:
Thanks everyone for your posts. My biggest health issues are terrible bladder and pelvic pain, urinary frequency. I am going to start adding in exercise, it is really difficult with the pain but I think that something really low impact would be ok maybe biking or yoga and I have played with SR but am really going to start doing it much more seriously, I have actually made a conscious pact with myself to throw myself into it. Those are the three legs right?
I also eat no, absolutely no sugars and only eat complex carbohydrates and take acidophilus to kill off yeast. When I was looking through this site yesterday I see that people sometimes send in long health histories and then Dr. Stoll gives his opinions. I have not seen that on here for a while (I have been researching this site for a while before posting). Is that still something he does?
PS My stress level is quite quite high and so I think exercise and skilled relaxation are likely to help exponentially like Happygal suggested.
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by peterb on April 28, 2003 at 09:48:26:
To Clear up the Whole Food theory! According to the National Organic Standards it can say Whole Food and not be Organic.
My partner is an organic farmer and you have to have a license if the food is marked Organic! You do not have to have a license when the store calls it Whole Food!
We find Free Range Chicken and Grass Feed Beef at Public's grocrey store; Murray's is the chicken and Coleman comes out of Colorado for a natural beef; We actually oder some of our beef from the Amish also, because my guy eats the beef raw and it is very important to get a good quality;
I love the Kosher Empire chicken's there not totally organic, but the meat is very clean and delicious;
We grow a lot of our own vegetables and fruit, but in Publix we have a very good organic section;
If we don't grow it;
We buy as much organic as we can, we don't like the pecticides and lack of minerals and vit. in the other;
But like Happy Gal said it is better to do the best you can and clear up the thinking and exercise and do SR. and start right where a person is at; You'll be amazed how things come out of the wood work once you start a healthy journey, things are shared like on this board and things start show up to help assist a person;
Our own consciousness attracts it!
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 11:50:01:
Hi Simple,
SR, Whole Foods Diet, and Right Exercise (Aerobics if possible). That's the three legged stool.
Yes, Dr. Stoll will help if you write out your health history. Others may also give suggestions. I don't know much about bladder issues so I can't help with that.
However, doing the three-legged stool is beneficial for just about anything. Since improving any part of your health is good, that's an appropriate place to start.
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 06:34:04:
If you want OPTIMAL health, in my opinion, you need at LEAST organic meat but preferably the grass-fed kind. Optimal health will not be achieved unless the omega-3:6 ratio is kept at a close 2:1 ratio. The further you stray from this, the more health problems you could have. I know it stinks, because these foods are so expensive, but back when grass-fed game was all you could get, humans were healthier. The good news is, as more people opt for grass-fed meats, the more that suppliers will produce, and the cheaper it will cost
-HY
In Reply to: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 06:34:04:
Hi S.Q.,
If you live in a rural or remote area, you might be able to find grass-fed meat and eggs from a local farmer. They might be produced without pesticides, hormones, and anti-biotics, even if they aren't certified organic. At least you would have the advantage of being able to question the actual grower/producer. Check the farm products or agricultural section of your local paper's classified ads, or bulletin boards in feed stores for leads.
Farm stands and farmers/growers markets are a good source for organic or minimally sprayed produce in season. In most cases, produce is grown nearby and picked the same day, so it's fresher, and prices are usually cheaper than grocery stores. Vendors sometimes sell meat and dairy products or take orders for them, as well. Again, check your local paper for farm stands and u-pick growers. Generous friends, co-workers, or neighbors with gardens can be a good source of produce in season, if you don't have the time, space, or suitable location for your own garden. You might need to buy a freezer to have enough of a supply for year-round.
I agree with the other poster who suggested asking the stores to carry organic foods. If you don't ask, they won't know you want it. Maybe they could even special-order something for you--especially items that are easier to transport and store, like frozen fruit or vegetables.
I can purchase a limited variety of organic produce and meat in a couple of grocery and health food stores in my area. I live 3-4 hours from several major metropolitan areas, so when I go to the big city for health appointments or weekend trips, I always take a large cooler or two with me and stock up in the large, well-stocked natural food markets.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by sorter on April 28, 2003 at 06:44:46:
Thanks, Sorter.
I agree with you. Although organic will do more for a person, the "whole foods concept" works in a different way.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Terri-Lynn on April 28, 2003 at 12:05:54:
why should I care what the NOS says? I like to keep things simple. whole food with pesticide is a food with an additive and that makes it adulterated. I havn't met an industry definition yet that made me happier or healthier.
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Happygal on April 28, 2003 at 21:30:45:
Thanks Happy gal and everyone for you comments. I really appreciate it. I have made an executive decision towards putting my health first above everything right now, something which has taken me over 10 mos of bad health to do. I am hoping to have some good results to report.
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Helping You on April 28, 2003 at 22:54:59:
back when grass-fed game was all you could get, humans were healthier
HY, many things were different in those times, not just meat. How can you be sure that it's the meat that was responsible for keeping people healthy. I'd be cautious making these kinds of statements. BTW, if omega-3:6 ratio is that important, supplementing with one or another could ensure it -- no need to pay 7 to 10 bucks per lb of meat. But I've seen places on the net that sell meat for much less than that. And there are local farmers.
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by R. on April 30, 2003 at 16:00:53:
You make a pretty decent point about the meat in regards to eating the grain-beef, and just taking more omega-3's. The only problem I have with that, is that grass-fed beef also contains CLA, and also contains less saturated fats than grain-fed beef. It may also have a different nutrient content. I am looking into that.
You are right. There are many other factors that are involved. However, that was beyond the scope of my post. Eating grass-fed beef may be ONE of those factors. That was certainly the way it was done back then.
And I made a mistake. The Omega-3:6 ratio should not be 2:1 but 1:2 or maybe 1:4 tops
-HY
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Helping You on May 01, 2003 at 19:38:00:
Right. I forgot about CLA. I've read about studies that it even had anticancerous effect. I don't care about saturated fat, though.
Let us know about nutrition differences if you find out. Who knows what the meat could be missing if the animals are not fed what they are supposed to be eating!
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Simple question on April 28, 2003 at 11:50:01:
...only eat complex carbohydrates and take acidophilus to kill off yeast
Maybe you should consider limiting your carb intake to limit what the yeast feeds on?
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by R. on May 02, 2003 at 02:33:14:
I will certainly post on it when I know more. Certainly, the saturated fat is the least of the concerns.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by R. on May 02, 2003 at 02:37:00:
Thanks R. Looks like I was very unclear. I eat no sugar at all and if I eat carbs they are only complex carbs to reduce the extent to which they turn into simple sugars and feed the yeast, but yes, I limit even those carbs as much as I possible can.
The holistic doc I work for says that in limiting my carbs the important thing is the proportion - she says when I have a meal it should be 1/2 veggies (which for me is just lettuce, cucumbers, brocolli and cauliflower and celery because most other things I find to be aggravating to my bladder or have sugar in them), 1/4 protein and 1/4 carbs, roughly speaking. I am good about the carbs though my veggie protein ratio is sometimes off since I like meat much better than veggies but I do fairly well except for breakfast when I don't eat any veggies. Does everyone think this is a fairly good plan. Actually I am actually pretty much down to having nothing but a potato with dinner and sometimes forego the carbs altogether and breakfast and lunch and then maybe have a piece of bread for a snack at night but not a large one. Thought about this for anti-candida?
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Simple question on May 02, 2003 at 12:20:40:
Hi, Simple.
Please forgive me for butting in here. In my experience, it is only the normal complex of micronutrients (present in the CHO), that were present in the living food, that matters. Not whether the CHO is complex or simple.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: whole foods (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 03, 2003 at 08:19:30:
Thanks, Dr. Stoll. My info was just probably wrong. Very good to know.
In Reply to: Re: whole foods posted by Simple question on May 02, 2003 at 12:20:40:
I wouldn't recommend bread to anyone with candida problems. And your eating just a potato sometimes... I wouldn't do that. Do you eat a lot of lacto-fermented foods (sauerkraut, kimchi, etc.)? Those would be very good to restore balance of your microflora.
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