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Hi,
I have been on this for about 2 weeks and I had really bad stomach pain the first few days. Then it passed now I have this weird lingering hunger like feeling even after I am completly full. Could this have to do with what I used to eat compared to what I eat know. Oatmeal, Whole Brown rice, Veggies, Tofu, Lentils, etc... vs White bagels about 6 a day, I allways had the tofu and refied beans, I'm vegitarian, I must have had incredible amounts of sugar because besides the 7 pound tubs of red vines I would buy from time to time and eat in a day I never red the labels on all the food I bought. It's incredible how much sugar is in some whole wheat bread. I also snacked all day long no big meals, I never went a day without some sort of candy, 2 quarts of crystal lite every 3 days, I thought I was doing a good thing until I recently read up on aspartame WOW! This stomach thing is wierd I also don't know if it is because I am curently not eating bread. I feel great lots of energy, no sugar blues! I just cant figure it out. I try drinking more/less water, eating more/less food, all whole of course! allways have that suttle stomach thing! Please help! If anyone out there has any info or a simular expierience please share!
PEACE!
CONCIENCE!
In Reply to: Whole foods diet question! posted by concience on August 07, 2001 at 02:31:49:
Going through any extreme change in diet will cause symptoms like this until your body adjusts. I think you would do well by going to www.mercola.com and clicking on "nutrition help" on the top. Read the FULL TEXT version. This is a MONSTER of a nutritional compliation and I believe it will serve you well. If you do not agree with the nutritional practices even after reading through everything, simply take from it what you can.
In Reply to: Whole foods diet question! posted by concience on August 07, 2001 at 02:31:49:
You may have hypoglycemia. Have you ever been tested? When
a person eats a lot of sugar they can develop hypoglycemia
from overstressing the pancreas to handle all that sugar. In
time your body will produce a lot of insulin to counteract
the sugar and balance your blood sugar, but you will crash
later. Try eating some dark meat with the meal and see if
that satiates you. I developed hypoglycemia from eating
wrong, and now I have to eat something like dark meat
chicken or salmon or other colored fish to get the feeling
of fullness
In Reply to: Re: Whole foods diet question! posted by Johnelle on August 07, 2001 at 16:25:36:
If that is the case, you should also be taking 200-400mcg of chromium picolinate as it balances blood glucose levels. It is essential to the hypoglycemic. But, even those who are not hypoglycemic will typically have withdrawl symptoms from radical changes in diet.
In Reply to: hypoglycemia posted by Helping you on August 07, 2001 at 18:18:34:
Eating the correct diet takes care of hypoglycemia without supplements. I think supplements help initially in some folks, but they are entirely over used - it seems especially so from some folks here on this discussion panel. I've known a few people who felt better when they stopped taking so many supplements - myself included, though I do take the basics now.
I was hypo before I added meat back to my diet and before I learned about it. I took chromium for awhile and now I don't but I'm not hypo anymore either. I think it's easy to get caught up in taking supps and thinking they will cure you. Really, time and eating well is what is curing you.
I try to follow the SR, diet and exercise as best I can, and it's simple - the more closely I follow it, and the longer I follow it the better I feel. When I do stray (and I DO stray) I can tell.
Just my .02.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Whole foods diet question! posted by concience on August 07, 2001 at 02:31:49:
you may need additional protein, try eating nuts when you are hungry.
In Reply to: hypoglycemia and supplements posted by labrat on August 07, 2001 at 18:39:04:
Yes. Diet is very effective at CONTROLING hypoglycemia but unfortunately, it is usually not enough to combate the glucose intolerance taking place. Chromium picolinate corrects glucose intolerance.
In Reply to: Whole foods diet question! posted by concience on August 07, 2001 at 02:31:49:
Hi, Conscience.
What are "white bagels"? Have you looked at the ingredients?
Your symptoms are classical for someone doing a great job or eliminating refined carbohydrates BUT just missing one thing.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: hypoglycemia and supplements posted by Helping you on August 08, 2001 at 22:07:43:
I am not sure what you mean by glucose intolerance as opposed to hypoglycemia.
I guess I figured if you're in a hypoglycemic state, you have hypoglycemia. If you consistently avoid that state by eating foods that don't trigger it, are you still considered to be hypoglycemic? I suppose you'd always be a hypoglycemic as long as you reacted badly to a glucose challenge, but if it's not actively happening...?
Thanks for all the information you post here.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Whole foods diet question! posted by concience on August 07, 2001 at 02:31:49:
The change in one's diet even though healthy, takes awhile for the body to adjust to; You might look into parasites, sounds like you use to feed them; Craving food even after eating a lot is one of the signs. The other thing i would say to you is eat more veggies and cut back on the amount of beans and grains a little; Also maybe sprout the beans is a good thing and makes them more alkaline and easyier to digest. Get someone to test you on Oatmeal also or maybe leave it out for one week and see what happens;
In Reply to: Re: hypoglycemia and supplements posted by Helping you on August 08, 2001 at 22:07:43:
Some people have near perfect insulin response and CP will not help, however hypoglycemic individuals are obviously not insulin-efficient and WILL benefit. I take CP to improve glucose uptake and help with body fat composition. On top of that, CP has been shown to extend animal lifespans considerably, as it interferes with glycation. This is a HIGHLY underrated trace mineral, at least as important as Vitamin C and E IMO. Stay well. :)
In Reply to: Re: Whole foods diet question! posted by Walt Stoll on August 09, 2001 at 08:41:48:
Hi,
Just for the record bagels were what I used to eat! That's nice to know my symptoms are classic because I am very particular about what I eat now! ( Supermarkets are sugar happy!) We really need to be carefull! Thanks!
In Reply to: Please explain... posted by labrat on August 09, 2001 at 08:43:15:
That is a good question and the answer is YES! You would STILL be a hypoglycemic. This is because the problems with glucose metabolism are still present. They are just being controled by the diet. Chromium, gynnema sylvestra, and a few other select herbs, vitamins, minerals, are shown to actually improve glucose metabolism and insulin response.
It would be like asking, "If a person with diabetes takes insulin to control it, does this person still have diabetes?" Sounds kind of silly to say right? :) Of course the person still has it. Same with hypoglycemia. The good news about what you say is, diet is ESSENTIAL in combating hypoglyemia because it allows one to avoid the fluctuations in blood sugar that cause the problems to begin with. Take care! :)
In Reply to: Re: Whole foods diet question!/Bagels were my past love! posted by concience on August 10, 2001 at 00:00:20:
Sorry, Conscience!
I missed the "vs".
If your hunger symptoms do not pass within a month of what you are doing with your diet. Let us know.
So far as I can tell, you are being perfect. Also, remember that "whole wheat" can mean as much as 90% white flour. If it says "whole grain" it has to be 100% whole. The only bread I know of (personally) that fits that standard is the Essene Bread in the healthfood store refrigerator and the Whole Grain bread at the Great Harvest Bread Store that uses diastatic malt for their bread.
The only GHBS I know of that does this is the one in Lexington, KY where I showed them how to do it for MY patients. They will ship this recipe bread to you if you want. I lived on it for years and I can tell you that it is wonderful.
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: hypoglycemia and supplements posted by Helping you on August 08, 2001 at 22:07:43:
I'm still puzzling over the common recommendation to treat hypoglycemia with chromium. According to metabolic type research, chromium tends to shift the metabolism of fast oxidizers (hypoglycemics) in the wrong direction. Chromium is supposed to reduce insulin intolerance, isn't it? But hypoglycemics are plenty sensitive to insulin, or else they wouldn't be so vulnerable to low blood sugar in the first place. So I can believe that chromium is useful for diabetics, but I remain skeptical of its value to hypoglycemics. I'd be interested in reading any studies that suggest otherwise.
Creatine, on the other hand, definitely helps stabilize my blood sugar. I'm not sure how Robert McFerran figured that out, since I haven't seen any literature that mentions this effect; I'm just glad it helps. But as others have mentioned, diet is key.
-- Aaron Wieland
In Reply to: Re: hypoglycemia and supplements posted by Aaron Wieland on August 15, 2001 at 02:29:36:
Chromium acts as a blood sugar modulator. It lowers it if it is too high, and it raises it if it is too low. I have many years of personal experience with this but I can site no studies. I can only say that Dr's with expertise in blood sugar problems, such as Dr. Atkins, have shown this in his practice for many years.
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