Whole Foods Diet historical posts March 1998

Re: Water filters

Posted by Patricia Worth on March 02, 1998 at 13:42:27:

After having a "NoN-Hodgkins Lymphoma" tumor removed I read everything possible on the subject, one thing that kept appearing was that it was widely thought that DDT (the pesticide) was an environmental cause along with red hair
dye. At that point I decided to find the best water filter
I could purchase and also stopped dying my hair!. What I found was Multi-Pure water filtration systems seem to be the
best. This solid carbon block water removed clorine, lead,
trihaliomethanes(newspaper articles on the recent study on miscarriages and trihaliomethanes in tapwater), cysts ie giardia, e-colli, lindane, the list goes on. Studies are now showing that even the clorine that we inhale can be more deadly than the clorine that we drink. With our municipal water treatment plant being sited by the EPA for Cysts toxicity - twice in the last three years I am happy that I am letting a water filter work on the toxins and not my liver or my digestive system! I am happy to discuss water and filtration further with anyone just e-mail me.



Re: Water drinking

Posted by Laura on March 02, 1998 at 19:28:05:

Just my 2 cents worth: A sudden increase in volume of water could flush some water soluable vitamins form your system. If your stress level is high-and you should know what to do by now to lower it-:) you might need more than average amounts of B-Complex vitamins which help the body deal with stress. Also every one is different in their need for certain nutrients. Study all you can and then see what is right for you. Beth Loiselle's book is a good place to start, followed by Paul Pitchford's book with a simular name(Healing with Whole Foods)(? I can never keep those 2 titles separate). Both are referenced by Dr Stoll in his book.


Re: Water filters

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 1998 at 10:13:04:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Patricia Worth on March 02, 1998 at 13:42:27:

Dear Patricia,

I would like to have you share more of your knowledge with us here on the BB. MANY of our life threatening chonic conditions ARE related to our environmental burden. Using pure water is an important step in the direction of reducing that burden,

How much does the carbon block filter cost to purchase AND to maintain? I agree that this is an effective filtration method.

What is your opinoin about absorbing these same toxins via our shower?

Walt



Re: Rice milk

Posted by Linda on March 11, 1998 at 02:31:23:

Just in case anyone is still checking in at this message: My first clue about rice milk was how sweet it tasted. Not likely to be good on the anti-candida diet if it tastes that sweet. Another clue was the nutrition label. I'm going by memory, but I think it listed a fair number of grams in the Sugars category. That is always an important place to look, regardless of ingredients. Any sugar, even the sugar in unsweetened yogurt, (so I've read) is a potential food source for the candida.


Re: Water filters

Posted by Barbara Santos on March 11, 1998 at 22:28:30:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 1998 at 10:13:04:

I had read that the reverse osmosis water systems were suppose to be better. Now I'm confused on what would be best.


Re: Water filters

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1998 at 11:47:07:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Barbara Santos on March 11, 1998 at 22:28:30:

Dear Barbara,

I personally use a reverse osmosis filter. Now I am confused as to why you would think differently.

Walt



Re: Water filters

Posted by Barbara on March 13, 1998 at 22:24:02:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1998 at 11:47:07:

Because you seemed to agree that both the reverse osmosis and the carbon filter(I think it was the carbon filter that was referred to) were both good. Maybe my mistake. I was under the impression the the reverse osmosis was best. Thanks
Barbara


Re: Water filters

Posted by Barbara on March 13, 1998 at 22:34:15:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Patricia Worth on March 02, 1998 at 13:42:27:

Patricia, I would like to know the difference, if there is one on the carbon block filter and the reverse osmosis water treatment system. Which in your opinion is best and why? I've always heard the reverse osmosis water treatment system is best. I do not have one but am very interested in getting one because I buy bottled water and just heard that I might as well drink water from the tap. I don't want to be wasting my money on bottled water if it is no different than our regular tap water. Thank you for your reply. Barbara


Re: Water filters

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 1998 at 11:40:13:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Barbara on March 13, 1998 at 22:24:02:

Thanks, Barbara.

What I meant to convey was that a carbon CHASER to the reverse osmosis could be helpful. I did not mean that I would give up my reverse osmosis machine.

Walt



Zone Diet

Posted by Gloria Boduch on March 19, 1998 at 22:57:33:

Dear Dr. Stoll:

I recently rec'd a booklet on the zone diet or the "40-30-30" phenomenon from Prevention Magazine when I renewed my subscription. It explains how the complex carbohydrate, low-fat diets can actually put weight on people. It seems to make sense with regard to certain types of carbos which are released into the bloodstream too soon thus releasing too much insulin. The theory is that one would end up storing more fat and actually gain weight as a result. Please comment. Gloria


Re: Zone Diet

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 21, 1998 at 12:16:48:

In Reply to: Zone Diet posted by Gloria Boduch on March 19, 1998 at 22:57:33:

Dear Gloria,

ALL of these books that promise dietary results seem to fade by the wayside after a few years. Why is that?

It is that they all take a little piece of truth & build a whole book out of it. The little piece of truth then promises a lot more than it can deliver & eventually people catch on to that & "throw out the baby with the bathwater".

Frequently, the little piece of truth is lost with the rest & that is a shame.

Humans are MUCH too complex to expect the same diet to work for everyone. No one, yet, has devised a way to prodict which diet will work for ANYONE without that person trying the diet & letting their own body tell them if it is the right one.

The more knowledge you have, the moer likely you will be to choose right the first time & judge whether you are getting th results you should.

I think that learning the best diet for anyone is a lifetime experience.

If you still have questions, write again.

Walt



chlorinated water & probiotics

Posted by Ron West on March 23, 1998 at 02:35:55:

Dear sir- can you tell me what if any deleterious effect chlorinated water has on our natural flora & fauna (probiotics). Thank you- Ron


Re: chlorinated water & probiotics

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 25, 1998 at 10:08:31:

In Reply to: chlorinated water & probiotics posted by Ron West on March 23, 1998 at 02:35:55:

Dear Ron,

It can't do them any good. I have not drunk tap water for many years--not for that reason.

HOWEVER, the reports in the medical literature, this week, gives us a much bigger thing to worry about with our drinking water. At least 90% of most drugs humans & animals take are excreted unchanged in the urine & feces.
NONE of the current filters or municipal "purification" systems do ANYTHING about these substances. It begins to look like we are getting a multiple dose of drugs we do not want or need every time we eat or drink anything. SEE THIS WEEK'S "SCIENCE NEWS" available in any library if you do not subscribe.

Since many of the dangers we experience from taking any drugs are greatly magnified by their interactions with other drugs....................... Effectively, we are all taking thousands of drugs every day BEFORE we even start taking the drug we were prescribed.

I would be interested in any comments from people on the BB----especially the MCS people. Are you there, Melva?

Walt



Re: Water filters

Posted by Laura on March 25, 1998 at 21:06:51:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Patricia Worth on March 02, 1998 at 13:42:27:

Our water company is going to add chloramine to our water to "purify" it. It is my understanding that neither RO nor carbon block filters get rid of this. The water has to be in contact with the carbon for at least 3 minutes to remove most of the chloramine and I know that my multipure does not have that option. Our university is presently installing a very expensive system to protect experiments that rely on clean water. Fish are killed by chloramine, and it does not evaporate out like chlorine. Short of hauling water home each day is there any system I can use in addition to the multipure I just installed? When rats were tested to find the effects of chloramine in water the test would not work because the rats refused to drink the water.


Re: Water Filters Obsolete?

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 27, 1998 at 14:16:33:

In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Laura on March 25, 1998 at 21:06:51:

Dear Laura & Pat,

I REALLY love it when I have to ask for help on my own website. Here I am asking:

Please read the cover article in the March 21st, 1998 issue of "Science News" volume 153. What do either of you know about what will remove THIS stuff (many tons of pharmaceuticals from human & animal waste). Since 50-90% of all pharmaceuticals end up UNCHANGED in the urine or stool (and the current recommendations for getting rid of unused pharmaceuticals is to "flush them down the toilet") what are we to do? NO PUBLIC WATER PURIFICATION SYSTEM REMOVES THIS STUFF! As a matter of fact some of the stuff that HAS been inactivated in the body is REACTIVATED by the other pollutants in the water. Non-virginal bottled water must have this stuff too.

I would greatly appreciate either, or both, of you letting us know what you think after asking your library for a copy of this issue.

Help! Walt



"New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 27, 1998 at 14:33:07:

To participants of the BB:

We all would benefit by going to the library & reading the cover article of the March 21st, issue of "Science News" volume #153.

None of the public water purification systems have even considered dealing with this critical problem AND, so far as I know, none of the home filtration systems do anything about it either.

Many, many tons of active pharmaceuticals are excreted every day into the water supply. 50-90% of all those ingested exit the body unchanged and many of the pollutants already in the water can reactivate many of those that have been "inactivated" by the body.

I would appreciate any reassurance I might get from those people on the BB who know anything about this.

Worried Walt


Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Laura on March 27, 1998 at 19:34:13:

In Reply to: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Walt Stoll on March 27, 1998 at 14:33:07:

Walt,
I just read the article in Science News - March 21, 1998. http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/3_21_98/bob1.htm Pretty scary stuff. These drugs and their potential combinations could certainly add to a persons chemical stressors. (Just thinking about it has added to mine.) From the article it seems like RO and carbon block would remove at least 95% of the 4 ppb that was found. Chemicals which combine to form larger molecules would be even easier to remove. I think our water purification systems we have added to our homes and increasing our resistance to poisons by practicing skilled relaxation will get us through.

The effect of these drugs, especially antibiotics on bacteria, is quite alarming. Could this add to the potential for bacteria to become resistant to antibiotics? (Moving to Montana is looking better and better.)

I have attemted to add a link to the article via the optional link URL. I copied the address into the space, I hope it works. Others with more chemistry knowledge should see this article and comment.
Laura



Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 28, 1998 at 13:10:36:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Laura on March 27, 1998 at 19:34:13:

Dear Laura,

Thanks for the reassurance. What you say makes sense and I am reassured. I guess I let it panic me & didn't think it through. It IS a good reason for anyone to not drink water from the tap, however, isn't it?

WOW! How did you do the link thing? Did you scan it in or type everything? Then, how did you link it? My son, Bill, has done such a good job insulating me from knowing anything about the mechanics of the 'site (at my request) that I have never learned how to do something like this.

NAMASTE` Walt



Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Dianne on March 28, 1998 at 15:28:09:

In Reply to: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Walt Stoll on March 27, 1998 at 14:33:07:

I'm worried about your worry, and also about the following. It has come to my attention thru a fluoridation-activist pal, that Prozac is 18% fluoride! She says that most prescription drugs are an unwanted and unknown source of fluoride, and I can get the documention if needed. Since most of the country takes Prozac, does this sound scary, or what?


Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Linda Hynds on March 28, 1998 at 21:25:50:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Laura on March 27, 1998 at 19:34:13:

Dear Walt and Laura,

Yes this is scary stuff!! To say the least.! I agree that the practice of skilled relaxation helps in this area also. What do you think about drinking distilled water? We have a PUR Plus system in our home and a naturopathic physician I saw recently suggests drinking distilled water. That is also what he has in his office. Wow, Laura, the link is awesome. I don't know how you folks do that great technical work with such ease! Thanks, Linda



Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 29, 1998 at 17:22:25:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Dianne on March 28, 1998 at 15:28:09:

Dear Dianne,

I know about the fluoride & am also concerned about this "whoops factor" that I have been mentioning regarding many of the things we are exposed to deliberately or accidentally. Fluoride DOES help prevent cavities but at what cost in the long run? The jury is still out on that one.

If there were no alternatives for these chronic conditions........... But there ARE.

Walt



Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 29, 1998 at 17:57:41:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Linda Hynds on March 28, 1998 at 21:25:50:

Hi, Linda.

I have been advised that an activated charcoal chaser for a RO home filter shoudl take most of this stuff out.

Distilled water would take care of this stuff too. However, water is not just wet. It is a food in its own right and most distillation alters the electromagnetic bonds of the molecule which have something to do with how water works in our own bodies.

As far as I am concerned we are only beginning to ask the right questions in this basically unknown field-----let alone knowing anything about the answers.

Microwaved water kills plants--if that is the only kind of water used to water them. What does THAT mean?

I agree with you that in the interim, while we are trying to figure out what to do about these kind of problems, improving our wellness is the best thing we have control over. At least we will have more horsepower to deal with this stuff. Skilled relaxation is one of the most powerful ways to do this.

Walt



Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Linda Hynds on March 30, 1998 at 12:02:30:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Walt Stoll on March 29, 1998 at 17:57:41:

Thanks for your input, Walt. Part of the rationale for the distilled water, per the naturopath, is that molecularly it draws water out of the cells and thus aids in detoxification. Comments and thoughts? Linda



Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Laura on March 30, 1998 at 15:39:27:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Walt Stoll on March 28, 1998 at 13:10:36:

Walt,
To do the link thing I copied the entire address of the Science News article, pasted it into the "Optional Link URL" at the bottom of the followup page, filled in the "Link Title" below that, crossed my fingers and hit the submit follow up button. Viola, it worked! Thanks Bill.

Can you tell me the references for any papers that show how bad microwaving food and water is? I have to prove everything I say to these dumb scientists I work with. ;-}
I used to have a paper about protein alterations to liver-toxic and kidney-toxic forms but I cannot find it now that I need it. We have a good science library here at UC Berkeley, but I need an authors name or title to find stuff.
Thanks
Laura


Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Patricia Worth on March 31, 1998 at 04:49:49:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Laura on March 27, 1998 at 19:34:13:

This is pretty scary stuff, finding drugs inn our water supply, which makes total sense. Not too long ago Ralph Nader came out with statistics that there were 2,110 toxins
in our water supply, the EPA seems to only "monitor" around
130...this is pretty scarey statistics. As for distillation filtration of water, studies have now proven that the clorine vapor that you smell in the showere is more
toxic than drinking the stuff (which is pretty nasty), with
distillation you are sending all the nasty vapors into the
air that you breathe which is not healthy. Reverse Osmosis
systems tend to remove everythingeven the good stuff like
calcium from your water and waste alot of water to get a litter bit of filtered water. The most important factors
to take into consideration when choosing a water filtration system is that it is NSF certified. The National Sanitation
Foundation is an independent testing lab that tests the claims of all water filters. Their site is:http://www.nsf.org. Check them out they have lots of
information on water filters. Also a note of concern for those using granulated filters is that they all perfect environments for bacterial colonies to multiply, therefore many of the brands have resorted to using chemicals in their
filters to combat this. I personally have been thrilled with Multi-Pure water Filtration systems and their three step solid carbon block filter. Great systems and great
business opportunity. Also at our info meeting this month I learned that people should be hydarating their bodies by drinking 1/2 oz. of H2O for EVERY pound of body weight and adding 16 oz. for EVERY cup of coffee, tea or soda one drinks. There are studies our now showing proper hydration of the body that many diseases i.e. arthritis, chronic fatique, low back pain and many more can be controlled with the proper hydration!!! Feel free to e-mail me and discuss water further.


Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Patricia Worth on March 31, 1998 at 04:56:50:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Patricia Worth on March 31, 1998 at 04:49:49:

Lots of typos in the last posting, I apologize. It is late here, however felt a need to post my 5 cents. The last part of the hydration part is that there have been studies that have had terrific results in either curing or bringing under control
various disease i.e. arthritis, chronic fatique, low back pain to name a few. A terrific book is "The Bodies Many Cries for Water." written by a Dr. from Iran..absolutly fascinating.


Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 1998 at 10:09:27:

In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Linda Hynds on March 30, 1998 at 12:02:30:

Dear Linda,

Were the distilled water given intravenously, I could see that happening. However, to get enough water past the other steps to actually do that orally, one would have to drink gallons of distilled water daily (at least). I am open to hear why my reasoning is incomplete.

However, giving distilled water IV causes the blood cells to explode.

Walt


Oatmeal

Posted by Eldon Steelman on March 23, 1998 at 15:06:32:

I've read the book & done a search. I can't decide if oatmeal is permissible.


Re: Oatmeal

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 25, 1998 at 10:41:46:

In Reply to: Oatmeal posted by Eldon Steelman on March 23, 1998 at 15:06:32:

Dear Eldon,

If you are talking about the "perfect whole foods diet", I would not use "quick oats" but any other kind of oatmeal is OK. The sooner it is eaten after being converted from a living grain, the better. Of course, that is true of ALL grains.

If you are talking about some other diet, let me know what it is.

Walt



nephrotic syndrome

Posted by Margaret White on March 16, 1998 at 11:20:43:

My grandson was diagnosed with nephrotic syndrome when he was about 7 years old and put on 30 mg of prednisone per day. Since then, every time his sodium level would go down, the dosage would be reduced, and the sodium level would go back up, and the dosage would be increased. We were told that this condition would resolve itself at puberty. He is now 14 years old with no end in sight. I am concerned about what the prednisone is doing to him,or if it is preventing puberty. The poor child has indured 7 years of going to school all swollen and puffed up. He's handling it well [plays golf, swims, makes good grades, and has a lot of friends] but it breaks my heart for him to have to go through this. I asked a friend of mine, who is a rheumatologist, about this and he said, "Well, it's better than being dead." Small comfort! What can we do? Would antioxidents help him combat the effects of prednisone? What else can he do?
Margaret


Re: nephrotic syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 18, 1998 at 10:55:01:

In Reply to: nephrotic syndrome posted by Margaret White on March 16, 1998 at 11:20:43:

Dear Margaret,

This is another crime to lay at the doorstep of the AMA whose policy has been to ignore anything that does not produce maximun profits for their members.

More than 50 years ago, Linus Pauling, PhD, PhD HAD nephrotic syndrome. He lerned that he could stop it in its tracks with a special low protein diet. He then used it on many patients with this condition & THEY all cleared up too. Of course, he published his findings and they were summarily dismissed by my profession because it had something to do with nutrition. Until about 10 years ago, the official position of the AMA was that nutrition had nothing to do with health.

Dr Pauling just died about 5 years ago and his kidneys were normal at death. He was more than 90 years old.

MY suggestion would be to contact the Linus Pauling Institute in CA. Ask them for information about the nephrotic syndrome. I am ashamed that I do not have his address. The institute is non profit & sends out requests for donations from time to time. You may have even received some yourself. I would be surprised if your library did not have access to this information.

Please share what you learn with the rest of us here on the BB. As he gets well, I hope you will share those experiences as well.

Walt



Re: nephrotic syndrome

Posted by Margaret White on March 18, 1998 at 19:46:32:

In Reply to: Re: nephrotic syndrome posted by Walt Stoll on March 18, 1998 at 10:55:01:

Dear Walt,

Thanks for your prompt reply. I thought nephrotic syndrome only occurred in children. Is thar incorrect? Do you know if the diet you described is a life time thing? I will certainly get in touch with the Linus Pauling Institute, and see what they have to say. Thanks for your help.

I found out about chelation therapy from your book. and have just finished my 25th chelation for my macular degeneration. When I went to my eye specialist recently for my 6 month check up, he said I was holding my own. Thank God I found out about chelation while I can still read. You will be interested to know that my doctor told me when I first went to him that "some people" thought that vitamins might help, and I could try them if I wanted to. He didn't even specify which ones. I'm taking zinc and anti-oxidents.

Thanks again.

Margaret White


Re: nephrotic syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 20, 1998 at 12:37:59:

In Reply to: Re: nephrotic syndrome posted by Margaret White on March 18, 1998 at 19:46:32:

Dear Margaret,

Nephrotic Syndrome IS more common in children. However, it does occur in adults and Pauling had his as an adult. It doesn't seem to matter whether child or adult whether the diet works. I DO know that he did not have to keep it up for his lifetime.

Are you taking coenzyme Q10? This particular antioxident concentrated in brain, eye & heart. If I had MD, I would be taking about 100 milligrams twice a day till I had my improvement for a few months. How much vitamin E & C are you taking? By this time you should be a lot better, not just "holding your own". Of course, how well you can see is the most important indication of progress NOT what the doc can see in your eyes.

Walt



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