Dear Laura,
MY experience has been that when faced with something they don't want to have to deal with, and there are 1000 articles from their peer-reviewed journals supporting the new concept, they will ask for 1001.
Tell them to look up the research about the surface tension of water (as measured by a tensiometer) changing whenever a human gets within 30 feet of it. If they do not want to look it up, it is an easy enough experiement to do (Careful about Galileo's telescope!). IF they are willing to learn about that, they MIGHT be williing to open their minds to the fact that the human aura extends out at LEAST that far. Of course, the tensiometer is one of the most primitive instruments for measuring the electromagnetic attractions between water molecules.
Next, ask them how a magnetic resonence imager works. The MRI records only one of the aspects of the "energy" fields outside the body. If they already understand that the MRI is measuring aspects of the aura, it may be worth your while to discuss the rest with them.
It would be simple enough to microwave all the water used to water some of your (or their) plants. Of course, then you will come up against the human characteristic demonstrated by those "experts" who refused to look through Galileo's telescope---for fear that they might see something that did not "fit" with their cherished beliefs.
Tolstoy said it best:
"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such that would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."
If YOU look this stuff up for them, they will never look at it. They have to want to know. Then they will not be able to hide from all the stuff in the world literature about this. Even Jesus made those he "healed" do SOMETHING for themselves. Without personal effort the transfer of knowledge is an exercise in futility.
Ben Franklin said: "Tell me & I'll Forget.
Teach me & I'll Remember.
Involve me & I'll Learn."
I wish the world WAS logical and rational. It is not.
Walt
Dear Laura,
Thanks for the time & commitment it took for you to do all that for the BB readers. Your description of how it was done will bring me closer to the day when I will try it.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Walt Stoll on April 01, 1998 at 10:50:08:
Walt,
You are quite correct, they have to convince themselves by trying these changes themselves. I cannot teach them new tricks.
Someone once said (I wish I could remember who) "Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It is a waste of your time and it annoys the pig."
Laura
Dear Patricia,
Thanks for the info. I hope this subject alerts lots of people as to this relatively easy way to reduce their environmental stress load.
Walt
Cryptosporidium: Is this a problem in rural wells? What are the symptoms one should look for in the body? What can one due to protect against cryptosporidious
In Reply to: Re: "New" Problem with Water Supply posted by Troy on April 06, 1998 at 09:49:50:
Dear Troy,
A healthy person cannot "get" cryptosporidiosis because the normal intestinal ecology is very unfriendly for this organism. That is how we all prevent having all the parasites in the world all the time.
Making "wellness" be a hobby would prevent ALL of these problems.
There are only a few labs in the country that even can diagnose parasitic problems. The Center for Disease Control, in Atlanta, says that local labs only find 1/50th of the parasites actually there. The best labs in the country only find 1/10. My book (link below) explains all this & gives the (800) numbers to find the physicians closest to you who would know enough to make the diagosis & what to do about it.
Walt
How effective are filters utilizing 'KDF' and 'GAC' media? Do they compare favorably with RO or RO/Carbon filters?
I am certainly open to discuss why we need water filters or any facet of water pollution, new findings(pharmeceuticls
in our drinking water). I learn from everyone that posts
on this board too!
I got Walt's book on Monday and immediately started reading. It rang the bells of truth. As you know, I did a glucose test and it showed a high reading but not high enough for insulin..Thank God. Dr. said to watch my diet. No sweets, soda or alchohol and to watch the sugar content in processed foods.
However, she didn't mention staying away from caffeine or carbs which dr. Walt's book does mention. Does this mean I should stay away from pasta, too? Help me please with the enriched carbs..I don't think I get it. Does that mean I should stay away from bread?
The top part is easy but the bottom part is hard. My diet is primarily pasta, bread, potatoes and caffeine (tea and coffee. And what about meat? I love vegies but sincerely doubt I could live on them and brown rice alone.
Thank you,
Terrie
PS..Walt if you're listening...Thank you for the note you wrote on the cover. That made me feel good. And, I think I'll be ordering more books..Too many people need this one.
Terrie
In Reply to: The whole food diet posted by Terrie Milligan on April 22, 1998 at 22:20:50:
Dear Terrie,
Learning the whole food diet is going to take some time and study. Slow down. Don’t worry your head. Ultimately it's easy, but there are many pot holes, and a lot to learn. The best resource is Beth Loiselle’s book. I’ve pasted in a bit from Walt’s home page to show how to get it. All your questions are answered in it. It is a marvelous resource, but, again, it will take time.
The problem with just posting questions as you go on your own is that there is so much that you would never even think to ask, and if you are trying to do the "perfect" diet, there are countless small ways to undermine your efforts. It’s worth the work!
Jim
PS I'll bet you have some interesting reactions from people who you think need the book (when you actually give them one). I got some human behavior lessons that way.
(The following is a quote from Walt Stoll)
"patients found that their course of treatment could be simplified--as well as greatly
shortened (total length of Rx: average 3-6 months)--by using a new diet. I was the Medical Advisor
for that publication: The Healing Power of Whole Foods by Beth Loiselle, RD." You can obtain a
copy by contacting:
Healthways Nutrition
93 Summertree Drive
Nicholasville, Kentucky 40356-9190
(606) 223-2270 or (800) 870-5378
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Jim on April 22, 1998 at 23:39:19:
Good Morning Jim,
Thank you for your response! That's why posting questions is a good thing..you get wonderful information from people like you. :)
I am concerned about my diet, even my doctor said I can control this with diet. The reason why the top part is so easy is because I don't do those things anyway. I've never liked sweets or soda and I'm completely intolerant to alcohol. The only modification to be made as far as her diet is watching the sugar content in processed food, which I haven't done.
But, I skipped ahead in Walt's book to look at the diet and have spent the last two days thinking about it. When I think of the things that I eat that are enriched carbohydrates, it scares me a little. I knew of course, that carbs turn into sugar..but I assumed that she felt that my body would be able to handle that type of sugar.
Anyway, thank you for the link to the book. I'll write and order it. And, I will make people mad at me for giving them this book? Uh Oh! This is more like a body manual..the how to make yourself healthy book. I've already got three of them ready to be sent to family members. What do you think, should I send them?
Thanks again,
Terrie Milligan
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Terrie Milligan on April 23, 1998 at 08:50:34:
Terrie,
I think you should make up your own mind. But I didn't say "mad," just don't be surprised at your relatives’ lack of motivation. You will be amazed at how complacent (or some other response) people are when they have been GIVEN what YOU think will save their lives. That’s not to say you shouldn’t try, some do take to it!
Jim
In Reply to: The whole food diet posted by Terrie Milligan on April 22, 1998 at 22:20:50:
Terrie,
I've read your posts and Jim's. I agree, getting the Perfect Whole Food Diet is a real challenge at first. Tons to learn. My wife and I have tried, but have failed at perfection. Being close is good, but perfection is what you are striving for. Beth's book is the answer in the long run, but I can answer a few of your questions now just because I've asked the same ones.
Regular pasta is out. Go with whole wheat pasta or other pasta alternatives such as soya or spelt. What you are trying to do is eliminate refined carbs. The tough thing to answer is what are all of the refined carbs. that you may encounter.
A couple of pieces of advice. Shop around the outside of the supermarket. This is where you'll find the unrefined carbs.
Eat things the way they grow. Fresh fruits and veggies, brown rice or basmati etc.
Potatos can be eaten WITH the skin on only.
Bread is tricky. You can find some whole wheat breads that are perfect, but we found that a bread maker and Beth's recipes is the best way to go.
Hope this helps
Peter
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Peter Wray on April 23, 1998 at 16:46:14:
Dear Peter,
Thank you for your response! It did help alot. It HURT but it helped..:)
I don't recall ever seeing whole wheat pasta. Where do you buy it? And what about meat and if you have to eat your potatoes with the skin on can you eat butter?
I'm Sorry, but every day since my doctor did the glucose test and I received Walt's book, I have questioned every single thing I consume.
BTW, what the heck is smelt? It sounds nasty...:)
Thank you,
Terrie
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Terrie Milligan on April 23, 1998 at 22:14:40:
From what I've read (and I'm no expert) butter is better than margarine because it is a whole food. Loaded with fat so moderation is the key in this regard.
Whole wheat pasta and the other pastas I suggested are probably only available at health food stores. "SMELT" is actually "SPELT" and it is an ancient grain. It is quite tasty in bread and pasta. It is similar to wheat but many people with wheat allergies find that they can tolerate spelt but not wheat. Wheat allergy is the most prominent food allergy in Canada. Probably because it is in so many products. I believe corn is the most prominent food allergy in the US. Beth's bood is very good at describing these different grains and how to use them.
Meat - well I'm biased here. I wouldn't eat any red meat and only grain fed poultry. This said, they are whole foods. But look at it this way, if you are trying to improve your health you probably wouldn't want to start taking synthetic growth hormones. Well that's what you'll be getting eating your supermarket bought meats. The other way to look at it is the meat you are eating is only as good as the building blocks it was made with. So, if the poultry is fed whole grain, then some of these nutrients will be passed on to you. If you are starting to eat whole grains yourself, it doesn't make sense to eat a bird that is eating "junk food".
If you have never had grain feed poultry, it is really worth the extra cost. We happened to win one last Christmas, otherwise we probably wouldn't have tried it. My in-laws raved about it. You have to be a bit more cautious to not dry it out when cooking it because they are less fatty.
It would be great if we could great Beth's book on-line here with a BB specifically for Whole Food Questions.
The other thing I discovered was that just because you eat the whole donut in one bite does not make it a whole food.
Good Luck
Peter
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Peter Wray on April 24, 1998 at 08:04:48:
Dear Peter,
That was terrific information. Thank you. You've givin me the start while I wait for the book.
Thanks again for your help,
Terrie
In Reply to: Re: Water filters posted by Patricia Worth on April 22, 1998 at 02:36:18:
Dear Patricia,
I would welcome any information you could put here on the BB. Education is the key & I cannot do it by myself.
Thanks, Walt
In Reply to: The whole food diet posted by Terrie Milligan on April 22, 1998 at 22:20:50:
Dear Terrie,
I appreciate your help in "spreading the word".
Unless you are treating candida, being perfect with the refined carbohydrates may not be worth the effort UNLESS you are just testing to see how much better you would feel. When I talk about living on frozen mixed vegies & brown rice, I am really talking about doing it for a few weeks to see how good you might feel. THEN, you have to decide whether it is worth it. If you do the wellness stuff, you will be able to start liberalizing the diet within 6 months anyhow. I would not try to be perfect with this kind of diet without first reading Beth Loiselle's book referenced in my book.
Meat has its own problems but they are only distantly related to dietary changes related to whole foods. Try one change at a time to see which effort makes the most difference.
There is only one perfect source of bread I know of. It is made by the Great Harvest Franchise. If the one close to you seems confused, ask them to call Ron or Paula at the store in Lexington, KY.
There are some available in health food stores but you would have to read the lable carefully AND most of them I know of don't look much like bread. You would LOVE the Great Harvest Bread!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Terrie Milligan on April 24, 1998 at 08:31:05:
No problem at all Terrie. If you have questions while waiting for the Beth's Bible (as my wife and I have come to know it), I'd be happy to look up some answers and post them here for you and others. It will be a good refresher course for me.
Peter
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Walt Stoll on April 24, 1998 at 10:49:56:
Walt
Can this bread be ordered direct from Kentucky or wherever it's baked? If so, could you provide us with an address and/or phone #?
Thanks
Nancy
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Jim on April 23, 1998 at 08:58:29:
People have to be pretty tired of being sick and tired before they'll change their way of eating and looking at food. I sometimes see my illness as a sort of blessing in disguise because it's making me aware of the harm I've done to my body. Most folks don't know it till they have a heart attack or develop cancer or arthritis, or some other debilitating or deadly condition.
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Terrie Milligan on April 23, 1998 at 22:14:40:
Dear Terrie,
Spelt, Terrie, spelt (grin). Spelt is a form of wheat that SOME people sensitive to wheat can have (most can't).
ALL healthfood stores have whole wheat pasta. Our local Publix supermarket has it every day. Twenty years ago, when I first tried this, it was a LOT harder to come by.
It IS a big job but only at first. That is when it is worth while being perfect to see how much good it might do you. If you are being perfect, you should see some results in a couple of weeks and all the results in about 3 months. If that experience proves to you that the effort is worth is to YOU, YOU will decide how long to do ti. After 6-12 months most people stop having reactions to traces which makes it a lot easier still.
Good luck, let us know what happens.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Peter Wray on April 24, 1998 at 08:04:48:
Thanks, Peter.
Your last line gave me my first grin of the day & I am still grinning.
Bless you for being there.
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Walt Stoll on April 24, 1998 at 10:49:56:
Thank you for all your help. Walt and Peter, you made me feel alot better with your information. I guess it's ok if I eat white and wild rice every once in awhile.
I am going to try for perfection...I'm going to the health food store today and see what I can find. Wish me luck!
Back to Walt's book! :-)
Terrie
In Reply to: Re: The whole food diet posted by Nancy on April 24, 1998 at 20:48:41:
Dear Nancy,
Yes, this bread can be ordered directly from KY and I have done it several times.
There are MANY franchises throughout the country that you would be able to use once you have been perfect for 6-12 months (their standard recipies have traces of whole honey in them would would not bother one who had gone that long). The one in KY made up a special recipe using diastatic malt (what the best bakeries in Europe use) which does not have any traces of refined CHO in the recipe. Without a professional in the area, who knows enough to educate aher/his patients to resolve this quickly, I would doubt that the rest of the franchise would bake it.
Call Ron or Paula in KY (606) 223-2915 or (606) 266-2915 & tell them I suggested you call. They call it their sugar free whole grain bread. You could reach the national franchise at (406) 683-6842 to find the closest one to you.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
I have ordered one of the "bedtime proteins" (containing collagen, I believe) for weight loss and I would like to know if anyone else has taken it and found it successful. It is close to $50 a month & the testamonials from the company abound but I have yet to find someone who actually takes it.
Thanks,
Michele Mc
Hi Walt
I am currently waiting for your book to arrive and have been trying to find Beth Loiselle's book on Whole Foods (its proving a little tricky) - could you/somebody give me a quick explanation of what a "whole foods diet" means.
I hope this isn't a stupid question!!
Thanks
Georgie
In Reply to: What are Whole Foods? posted by georgie on April 28, 1998 at 09:18:18:
Georgie,
Not a stupid question. It's the best question.
(The following is a quote from Walt Stoll)
"patients found that their course of treatment could be simplified--as well as greatly
shortened (total length of Rx: average 3-6 months)--by using a new diet. I was the Medical Advisor
for that publication: The Healing Power of Whole Foods by Beth Loiselle, RD." You can obtain a
copy by contacting:
Healthways Nutrition
93 Summertree Drive
Nicholasville, Kentucky 40356-9190
(606) 223-2270 or (800) 870-5378
Hope this helps.
Jim
In Reply to: "Bedtime Proteins" posted by Michele McGlothlin on April 27, 1998 at 18:18:01:
Michelle
I took that several months ago for 3 months. A friend of mine had lost many lbs and inches on it and felf very energized as well. She's in her 50's, and could pass for 40. When she lost the weight, her skin did not get loose, but rather, seemed to firm up. For the first few months on it, she didn't even exercise. That's her story.
Mine was totally different. I actually gained on it. I have decided that it had something to do with the leaky gut and that my body does not absorb what it's supposed to. I have also since altered my diet to a mostly whole foods, high protein, fresh veggies, no white flour,sugar, or rice. When I eat carb, they are complex, such as brown rice, 100% whole wheat bread with a very minimum of sugar added, no coffee, a little green tea and sometimes some iced tea with raw sugar. I lost 12 lbs that way without any expensive diet aids. I wouldn't rule out going back on it to complement my diet because I think the collagen idea is a good one. Let us know if you try it, how it works. Good luck!
You know, there are numerous web sites on that stuff, whose name I shall not mention!
Nancy
I exercise and monitor fat intake religously! Weight-training 3X a week (15-30 lbs. weights), body-shaping everyday (targeted muscle exercises), aerobics 4X per week. Fat intake no more than 25 grams of fat per day. I have been doing these things for 15 plus years. I supplement my diet with Pyruvate, a substance known to increase muscle while reducing fat. Despite these efforts, there is STILL
an ugly DIET and EXERCISE resistant accumulation of fat on my abdomen! The rest of me is in great shape. Short of cosmetic surgery, which I don't want to do AT ALL even if I did have the money, I've exhausted every avenue I know of. What I'd like to know is WHY this fat won't disappear. And, too, I'd like to know if there's anything else I can do. Any suggestions or tips would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Walt,
Would like to know your opinion on the effects of taking
a liquid form of protein three hours after eating and taken right before you fall asleep.
Many have claimed to lose fat and build muscle with remarkable results. I'm very discouraged because I have done this faithfully for 6 weeks and have not lost any weight. I've also been involved in walking and exercising with tapes.
On the other hand, I have a friend who has done nothing
different to her routine except take this protein before
bedtime and she looks like the fat just melted off of her!!
After three months, she's lost 15-20 pounds!!
I'm beginning to think something is wrong with me because I'm 5'3" and cannot get below the 150 on the scales!!
Please help!!
In Reply to: bedtime protein posted by ANGIE SHOEMAKER on April 29, 1998 at 07:04:40:
Angie
My story with that stuff is the same as yours, and my friend's the same as your friend's. I think it has something to do with the leaky gut. Going on a high protein, low carb. diet is what worked for me. An egg and turkey bacon almost every day for breakfast, meat and veggies or salad for lunch, and meat and veggies for supper. No white bread, rice, or potatoes, no refined foods (boxes and cans are out), no pasta unless it's whole wheat. Fruit for snacks between meals. No coffee. The only sweeteners I use are a little rice syrup and a little raw sugar, but I'm sure I'd be better off without both of them. Whole grain (old fashioned oatmeal sometimes for breakfast or dessert, with rice syrup, cinamon, and a little milk seems to work ok. Once in a while I splurge on a frozen yogurt milkshake (probably not a good idea, but keeps me from feeling deprived).
After about 3 days off the sugar and carbs, I actually lost my craving for it. I ate one M&M one time and it tasted nasty--that used to be one of my big downfalls.
Good luck.
Nancy
In Reply to: What are Whole Foods? posted by georgie on April 28, 1998 at 09:18:18:
In general, whole foods are non-processed foods eaten as they grow (cooking is usually OK). So brown rice is a whole food, but white rice isn't because white rice has been but through a process to remove a portion of the grain for easier cooking and longer storage. Same goes for whole wheat versus processed wheat.
If you stick with fruits and vegetables, whole grains, legumes, nuts and spring water you're pretty safe with staying to whole foods. It gets tricky if you want a bit more variety and that is where Beth's book is invaluable.
Hope this helps a bit.
Peter
I have been on the DR. Atkins diet for over a year and have lost 92 pounds. I have had by blood checked and my chlesterol and triglicerides are well within normal limits. However, I began taking estrogen 3 months ago and even though I have not cheated on the diet I have not lost another pound since the estrogen. I would like to know how the Zone Diet can help me lose the last 40 pounds I need to lose. How can I get my metabolism going again? I was very obese and I feel much better now but I'm not "there yet"
I will be willing to buy the book and start on the diet if I can get back to losing again. Thanks
Sandra Macha
If you are struggling with why you can't have that burger and fries, check out this internet site.
See who can be the first to find a burger with less than 10 g. of fat (and the one with a whopping [yup there's a clue there] 39.0 g. of fat).
It is scary!
Have Fun.
Peter
In Reply to: Fast Food Facts Fast posted by Peter Wray on April 24, 1998 at 08:19:07:
What is the site address, Peter?
In Reply to: Fast Food Facts Fast posted by Peter Wray on April 24, 1998 at 08:19:07:
Sorry - forgot this in the original posting:
In Reply to: Fast Food Facts Fast - THE URL posted by Peter Wray on April 24, 1998 at 13:24:18:
Dear Peter,
Good stuff!
I would like to urge people to also take a look at "Nutrition Action", the 10 times a year publication of the CSPI organization (Center for Science in the Public Interest). This organization puts out this 16 page (8 sheet) journal each month (except bimonthly in Jan.-Feb. & July-Aug.) and keeps the public up on the latest practical discoveries in the area of public nutrition.
It accepts no government funding or advertising and has over 1 million subscribers. It is a major lobbying organization for legislation benefitting the public health and has exposed to hte public many self-serving bills that should never be passed. Their email address is circ@cspinet.org and their website is at www.cspinet.org
Please share what you learn with us on the bulletin board.
Walt