Hi Peter..
vegetables, whole grains, legumes, nuts and spring water
I love that stuff! Are legumes beans? I could live on beans. YUMMY! :-)
I think I've been doing good on my diet...alot of salads and roasted chicken and rice. I love wild rice..thats ok isn't it? And when I eat bread..I usually buy Rye..is that ok?
Take care,
Terrie...
PS Ordering Beth's book!
In Reply to: Re: What are Whole Foods? posted by Terrie on May 01, 1998 at 00:30:30:
Dear Terrie,
Read the fine print on your bread wrapper. There are whole food breads in some health-food stores and the Great Harvest Bread Company makes wonderful whole grain bread. this was jsut discussed within the past 2 weeks right here on the BB.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: What are Whole Foods? posted by Walt Stoll on May 01, 1998 at 10:17:39:
Thank you, Walt,
I found a really neat place called "The Harvest" that sells whole wheat pasta and flour. It also sells brown rice and a brown rice bread that I'm going to try tonight.
There is also a neat place nearby that sells organic produce and fresh farm raised meats. It also sells "homeopathics". I'll go there tomorrow.
I'm leaving for San Francisco on Sunday. How difficult a time will I have eating properly out of town?
Durn it..Rye is my favorite but can't seem to find it in the health food places.
Btw..I've been taking the vitamins B, ester C and beta carotene and along with the diet changes, I feel great!
Thanks for the answer,
Terrie
In Reply to: Re: What are Whole Foods? posted by Walt Stoll on May 01, 1998 at 10:17:39:
Terrie,
There are some great whole food restaurants in San Francisco. Look in the yellow pages under Macrobiotic or Health Foods. There is an Organic Macrobiotic Cafe in Oakland, just across the Bay Bridge on 40th street, that serves macrobiotic meals and even has meals to go. I know because I go there ocasionally. I remember there is a place called Rainbow Grocery that used to have a cafe in SF, but I don't know if they still do. The SF bay area is a better place than most to eat out, but most places do not serve whole foods and many "health food restaurants are full of sweetened, processed foods. ASK THE WAITERS, ASK THE COOKS, READ THE LABELS!! I hope you have Beth Loiselle's book by now to guide you in your quest. The food processing industry is getting more deceitful in how they hide processed ingredients. Call around to the chinese restaurants and see if you can get brown rice. You can almost always get steamed vegetables.
Be persistent. The more of us who ask for these things the more available they become.
Healthfully,
Laura
Dear Fat-Bellied Blues,
You seem to be doing all the right things. This has to be "brown fat". I would suggest you go to the library and read everything you can get your hands on about what has been learned about brown fat in the past 2 years. If you have a medical school library in your area, go there & ask the reference librarian to find you all the articles about brown fat in the past 5 years---right up to the present. Lay people have just as much access to medical school libraries as the staff & students. They just can's check stuff out without some paperwork.
While you are waiting to learn, I would suggest you learn about essential oils & what they would do for your genetic deficiency of fat metabolism. Essential fats are necessary for anyone to properly metabolize their own fat stores. With your low fat diet, there is little doubt that you are seriously deficient in these essential fats.
Go to the home page of this 'site and read about essential oils & their doses. Do not change any of what you are already doing for now. Just be sure to further restrict your present fat intake % (which is perfect) so as to be able to include the essential fat supplements within that grammage. So long as you stay below 10% of your total calories as fat, you are going to do fine.
You might focus on any recent publications about fat by Udo Erasmus, PhD.
Let us know how you do &, if you have any questions, write again.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: What are Whole Foods? posted by Laura on May 01, 1998 at 20:48:20:
Thank you for the information! I've printed this and it's comming with me!
Take care,
Terrie
Dear Angie & Nancy,
About 6 months ago, a friend & colleage of mine convinced me to give this stuff a try. It made metabolic sense to me so I did. However, I did it like I do most things like this: I did it myself. I also bought enough for my family & several friends and convinced several others to go on it with us. All in all I invested more than $1000 in this experiment and refused to recommend it to others till we all had had at least 3 months of experience.
WELL, my own experience was that I could not bring myself to eat nothing for the 3 hours recommended prior to retiring. SO, now, 6 months later, I have to say that I did not give it a reasonable test. HOWEVER, in my own defense (which I really have none) I have to say that ALL of my family has had the same experience. Maybe, this is how it works: stopping people from eating just before bedtime?
I had 4 friends who DID use it properly and they noticed no difference.
I have said for years that our genetic differences are so great that only trying some of these more complex remedies (Green-Blue Algae, Bee Pollen, Noni, Aloe Vera, glucosamine, etc., etc.) can tell us if THAT person will respond to it. I have a feeling that bedtime protein extract is one of those. It will work for some (taken as directed) and not for others. Since the only thing that it can harm is one's pocketbook...................
I would be very interested in hearing anyone else's experience with this. Perhaps I will have to pull out my bottles & really try it.
Walt
Dr. Stoll,
I have been re-evaluating my family’s drinking water.
For the past several years, we have been buying bottled water at the grocery store. I’ve had some concerns about this policy, an addition to the expense and inconvenience. We’ve been using plastic bottles to avoid the problems of heaviness and breakage. I have read that the plastic can break down, especially in the heat of transport, and have a detrimental effect on the thyroid and perhaps other organs. (My husband and I both have thyroid problems.) There’s also the risk of contamination, as was the case with Perrier a few years ago.
I know you deem artesian water to be the best, but we are considering purchasing a distiller. My question is, what are the detriments, if any, to distilling one’s own water? Does the water become ionized, and is that bad for you?
I realize I would have to add minerals to our diet to compensate for those lost in distilling, but are there other factors I should be worried about?
Thanks for you help.
Irene
In Reply to: Drinking water posted by Irene in TX on May 02, 1998 at 17:20:04:
Irene, what part of this state are you in? (I just ended a sentence with a preposition, and I don't care.)
We've been buying bottled spring water for years and periodically we ask our neighbor, a chemist, to check for pollutants, including the break-down of plastics, which are chlorinates.
So far, no contaminents have shown up in the following: Utopia, Eureka, Artesia (or any brand from the companies bottling at the main springs in Kerr County or at the springs in Franklin County, around Jasper, TX), or Mountain Valley from Hot Springs, AR, which is now in hard plastic bottles, too.
Soft plastic, such as milk bottles, can break down from just time and from exposure to ultra-violet rays in light, such as fluorescent lights. Hard plastic is hardier. It takes quite a lot of heat and/or long direct sunlight to cause any of the chlorides to leach into the water. If this has happened, you'll taste it, believe me!
We buy bottles with dates stamped on the label, which represent filling at the well-heads. Then we bring them home and fill up our glass-and-crockery dispenser. We use only safe crockery, heavily fired. We bought this dispenser at the Old Clarksville Potters in Austin.
In Texas, all bottled water must state whether it's natural artesian water (or not), from which aquifer and well head, how it has been filtered, the sodium content, and any other unusual mineral. It must also have the state's health approval up to date. Additives must be listed, as well. But NOTHING requires a bottler to state it if the water has come out of a tap! The words, "... from the water (supply) in (some locale) means it's city water.
A good practice is never to put the water into the fridge in its container. Pour it into a gallon or half-gallon glass container. Also, we never use a "cooler", since mold spores and bacteria can form in the pipes, and mineral water leaches alloys out of metals any way.
For my tastes, Utopia from Kerr County (there are two sources for Utopia spring water) has the best taste in this part of the country.
Distilling must be tricky. I've never tried it. Dr. Stoll may know a good method, or some water distilling system. We have tried various filters on our taps to remove chlorine, and so far Teledyne tests best, but the filtration materials remove minerals while they can't remove bacteria. The very expensive Pur filters removed only half the chlorine that Teledyne took out, and upon testing by our neighbor (who also tests the water in our neighborhood lakes) we found there was a significant bacteria count, too. Houston has very dirty water in several areas.
Good luck! /Oma Gretty in Humid Houston
Dear Sandra,
It woudl be a miracle if the "Zone Diet" would work for you but MIRACLES DO HAPPEN. I do not think you should just take a shot in the dark. A serious wellness program would much more certainly help you take the next step.
To understand why this has happened to you, you first need some basic knowledge. A good place to start would be to read a copy of "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier. While you are finding it & absorbing it, you could get started by using the archives feature for this BB & reading everything posted by Robert McFerran.
Walt
In Reply to: Drinking water posted by Irene in TX on May 02, 1998 at 17:20:04:
Dear Irene,
Basically, the earth cycle of rain is a big distillation process. Distillation should be OK so long as you vent the non-water produced to the outside. Left inside means you will just breathe it in instead of drinking it.
Also, there have been books written about the fact that "water is not just wet"--it is a food in its own right. There are electromagnetic forces in water that blend with our own to produce profound effects.
Think of this: If you have plants in your house, do this experiment: Microwave some water (it is not necessary to bring it to a boil) and set it aside to cool to room temperature. Water some of your plants exclusively with that water & they will die. Just think (since foods are at least 80% water) what eating microwaved foods is doing to our overall health. Most people will not believe this without trying it.
We are just babe's in the woods when it comes to understanding the nutritional effects of water. I hope others who know more of this story will share with us.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Walt Stoll on May 04, 1998 at 12:34:07:
Rain water has a lot of air (oxygen and nitrogen) dissolved in it, as does the water out of your faucet. If you nuke it, the heat will drive out most or all dissolved gasses, depending how hot it gets. It shouldn't matter if you nuke it, or heat it over a flame or electric hotplate.
If nuked water kills your plants, then I would expect any water which has been heated, allowed to cool, then stored in a closed container to do the same. Or even an open container, if it doesn't allow a lot of surface area of air/water contact.
I'm certainly interested in the reason microwaved water kills plants, but I'm not going to try it on MY wife's plants!!
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Oma Gretchen , Also in Texas on May 03, 1998 at 01:02:27:
I've been reading these posts regarding safe drinking water. Excuse me for being negative, but this is verrrryyy depressing. I've read many different books on the subject of healthy living and good eating habits, and I have been doing my best to put healthy foods inside my body. When it gets to the point where you can't even drink WATER without worrying about what's contaminated and what's not...well my goodness! It's not good to drink too much juice...too much sugar. It's not good to drink soda...not good for you. Well now I'm wondering, what IS good for you.
When I read posts like this, it just makes me think "what the heck...why even bother trying??"
THANKS for letting me vent.
CH
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by gerry on May 04, 1998 at 15:34:25:
Dear Gerry,
Apparently microwaving does more than simply heating does.
You are aware of the "tensiometer" instrument used to measure the surface tension of water in the laboratory? Surface tension is a measurement of the electromagnetic bond attractiveness between molecules of water. Every time a human gets within 30 feet of that experiment, the readings change. Although this is a proof of the electromagnetic "aura" of a human, it is also a demonstration that water is much more than just wet with dissolved gasses & solids in it. It is an electromagnetic substance as well. The whole science of Homeopathic remedies is based upon imprinting the "vibrational signature" of the remedy on the water molecule.
Microwaves alter this molecular signature in, as yet, some unknown way.
I don't blame you for not experimenting on your wife's plants. I would not let others do it to mine either. I used my excess spider plants & jade plants. As you may know, those of us who cannot bear to see anything die, end up with MANY plants from cuttings etc. I give away as many as I can but there are just too many. I followed the old American Indian custom by asking the plants' permission to be a part of this dangerous experiment. Only those that gave me "permission" were used.
Thanks! Walt
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water..what is healthy?? posted by Cathy on May 04, 1998 at 15:49:45:
Dear Cathy,
There are no municipal water supplies, today, that can pass the "Clean Water Standards Act" from the '30s.
To avoid this problem, completely, one needs a whole house filtration system costing a couple thousand dollars. It reminds me of the equation known for years: for every penny one saves buying crap groceries, one pays about a dollar in medical expenses.
We, in this country, have been living high on the hog for years by ignoring the pollution of our "nests". Now, we are going to have to decide to catch up on the expenses of cleaning up our bed we have been lying in. No one likes to hear this but it is true none-the-less.
We are already paying for it by the impossible medical expenses that are leading us to the "disease-care crisis". Only those of us who are willing to think will chose to put our money into being healthy rather than in supporting the bloated "health-care" (misnomer) system.
Remember, the monetary cost of illness is BY FAR the least cost of illness. Think about it.
Every little bit helps. Fortunately, those of us not already terminally ill still have sufficient functional bodymind machinery to help ourselves if we can just reduce the overload.
Short of moving to Mars, we are stuck in the cesspool we have created for ourselves. Our only choices are: 1. Die now; 2. Be sick & pay the present system for symptom suppression till we die, or, 3. Use our brains to learn how to feel good till we die. Choose.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Walt Stoll on May 06, 1998 at 09:54:35:
And how did they communicate their answer, Walt?
Nancy
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Oma Gretchen , Also in Texas on May 03, 1998 at 01:02:27:
Oma,
Thank you for your tremendously informing post on water in Texas. Some questions:
1. I am wondering why you transfer your bottled water to a dispenser. Is this just for convenience, or to minimize the time the water spends in the plastic? It seems to me that the time the water spends in your home is probably minimal compared to the time it is in the store, in transport, etc.
2. You don’t explain why it’s bad practice to put the plastic water bottle in the fridge.
3. Also, by "cooler" do you mean thermos? I keep a metal thermos of water in my car. Usually I drink it up quickly in this hot weather, but occasionally it sits there for a couple of weeks. Is this harmful?
Thank you again for your post, and thank you Dr. Stoll. I am in shock over what you said about the microwaved water. I have bought myself a teapot for the several cups of herbal tea I drink daily, formerly using microwaved water. This board is such a storehouse of information!
Irene in TX
Formerly of Humid Houston, currently happy in Austin
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Nancy on May 06, 1998 at 21:30:44:
Dear Nancy,
I guess I hve lost the train of thought upon which you have based this question. Pleaase refresh me.
Are you the "Nancy" that sent me the nice article about aspartame?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Walt Stoll on May 08, 1998 at 14:14:01:
Walt
I was referring to your statement that you followed the American Indian custom of asking the plants for their permission to involve them in a dangerous experiment. I just wondered how they let you know? just teasing you
I'm the one that Dave refers to as "crazy colon Nancy". I must admit that I'm less than thrilled by the title, but it does fit, unfortunately. I've been fighting that problem for 26 years now and haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet, in spite of relaxations, etc.
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Nancy on May 08, 1998 at 21:50:16:
Dear Nancy,
If you have been doing an effective skilled relaxation technique (as proven by biofeedback) at least twice a day for 20 minutes (not counting any done within 2 hours of retiring) for 6-12 months, & your colon has not cleared up, I would appreciate your letting me know here on the bb. There are some complicating problems that can be precipitated by LGS being present for this long that may have to be dealt with once the lgs is gone---for you to be normal.
Walt
I read your book from cover to cover yesterday, (I was home sick with cold!) and I ordered the Whole Foods book from Beth Loiselle this morning. Also read the bulletin board for other questions on Whole Foods. Wow, I'm not sure I can do this. I'm on a very tight budget and after a visit to the Whole Foods Market here in town, this food is very expensive. I will try to do this as best I can, wouldn't hurt either of my children either, my youngest is 4'4", 89 lbs, and has Down Syndrome (11yrs), my oldest (15) is pretty much a vegetarian.
What do you do when you go out to eat? I have a wonderful man who takes me out to eat at least once a week, what can I order?
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Walt Stoll on May 04, 1998 at 12:34:07:
Destilling process is basically removing bad and good salts from water.
The bad part of Texas is that water is chlorinated, what with time will beautify your fauna an flora in your gut! And than yo get for sure all the health benefits from chlorine.
Think health first, and make more money to afford it!
Rather than distilling which will drain the water it is better to prowide a commercial filter as big as you can afford, and containing also activated charcoal!
The long life of ESCIMOS was associated with fish oil, and ... drinking of water from previously frozen ice!
During freezing process, water molecules are polarized (ionized) what was scientifically proven to be associated with excellent health and reversed aging process.
Microwaving is killing all live tissues by "cooking from inside"!
Thinking loud: ...however shall not kill the molecules... unless there is a electromagnetic polarization or break down which results in destruction of atoms structure... thru injection of the energy and electromagnetic field... in to it. Probability of decomposition of tissues due to inserting energy inside the the cell is very likely assertive.
Your message is well received, and shall be blessed by all!
Filter and freeze not distill.
THE DISTILATION WILL RESULT THAT WATER CONSUMED WILL ABSORB RATHER THAN PROVIDE MINERALS LEADING TO ...COMPLETE LOSS OF GOOD MINERALS AND MAY LEAD TO .....ANEMIA?!?
wELL IS BETTER THAN DRINKING beer made of processed wastewater!
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Irene in TX on May 07, 1998 at 12:11:34:
The only effective removal of chlorine is using activated charcoal "industrial" and not commercial filters!
Bigger is better!
Want to improve water taste may add a tablet of:
Alka-Saltzer GOLD (apirin free),
Great antacid For MCS! Works better than ZANTAC!
The only good water is mountain and artesian water!
Do not use water softeners!
The difference between glass and plastic is that glass does not have molecular spaces, therefore the fungi and molds do not adhere to same degree as with porous molecular plastics, difficult to clean!
At water treatment plants chemicals (lime, activated charcoal, called floculators, than chlorine), are used to treat the water and many componnents are ceramic or plastic.
When I worked in Korea, before Olympic Games, on construction of water plant, the water for the plant was drawn from the river. Upstream the plant! in to the river they damped sewage -- in to same river.
Therefore they were processing dilluted sewer waste with river water! Now have a good Korean beer! (OB!)
As I said I have seen it, I have been overthere.
The plastics are likely not dangerous but the proteins associated with some may be.
i.e. Latex gloves Leptin A!
Lower the temperature less active are such materials.
It is good to be cautious but there is a rational limit.
Buy scandinavian products.
They are very health consious and more trust worthy!
(Danemark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, West German, Swiss).
Stay clear of Chineese, Philipines, Korean, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Asian etc!! It is a preference not a rule.
Believe me I have been, I have seen!
Use good grade stainless steel or copper!
Trust U.S. made, avoid trade shows sales!
Do not use aluminum containers and pots, help very much in ALS. Do not buy cheap stuff.
In Reply to: Re: Drinking water posted by Irene in TX on May 07, 1998 at 12:11:34:
Irene, we transfer water into the glass bottle to take it out of (polyvinyl chloride) plastic bottles. I know the water was shipped in the stuff, but I'm going to be optimistic about getting it out of there.
It's fine to refrigerate bottled spring water, just don't do it in the plastic bottle. Use a glass or ceramic container. The reason is that cold, as well as heat, can alter the molecular structure of plastic and affect the water.
By "cooler", I mean the electric refrigerating water dispensers so many commercial water companies want to lease. They have copper coils, but those coils have zinc, nickel or even lead solder. And copper isn't "inert" in itself. Mineral water will leach toxins out of that, too. Researchers have associated copper overdose with a thyroid disease called "Hashimoto's Thyroiditis", as well as with one form of Parkinson's Disease.
I'm in shock about Dr. Stoll's post on microwaving, too. But not because we microwave food often. In fact, about all we do is pop popcorn. BUT, we microwave eggs. That means we are getting no nutrition from those eggs!
We've got to go back to boiling or poaching.
In Reply to: Whole Foods posted by Karen Bersche on May 14, 1998 at 09:16:20:
Dear Karen,
I can remember putting myself through EXACTLY what you are going through right now, when I first decided to "check this out" personally more than 20 years ago. Believe me. it is easier now. Depending on the size of your town, I would be surprised if you did not have a whole-foods restaurant.
However, I would not even try to do this for yourself till I had read Beth's book. The most important thing at first is to find out (without any doubt) that this is going to help you enough that ANY effort is worth while. The only way you can do that is to be perfect with the diet for a couple of weeks (at least).
One way I found to do that pretty easily (that you could do without reading Beth's book) is to live on steamed brown rice topped with chopped, mixed frozen vegies (steamed for about 10 minutes). Lots of spices help for variety & palatability. There are also LOTS of variety in the choices of frozen vegie combinations. That way you don't have to worry about most of the questions you had (You can have your special friend in for a home cooked meal for those 2 weeks if you do not have a health-food restaurant in your town.). Restaurants like that are eager to tell you EXACTLY the ingredients that are in their dishes. They are expert in using spices, and food combinations, to make the meals outstanding experiences. All you have to tell them is that you are on a total elimination of refined carbohydrates trial. They will know what you mean.
Once you have been perfect for a couple of weeks, you will have a better idea if you want to continue. If you do, being perfect for another 6 months (could take 12) will change your metabolism sufficiently that you can probably get away with not being perfect. Listen to your body & cautiously add traces till the diet is less onerous.
If you have questions, please do not hesitate to write.
It is NOT necessary for you to buy from the "whole-foods market" at this stage (perhaps never). Eventually you will find that it is LESS expensive to eat only whole-foods than the way we (the average American consumer) have been led to eat.
As you get healthier, your choices in life will expand. You may find yourself at the whole-foods store & STILL saving money.
Walt