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Hello,
I have been reading the above book by Peter D'Azamo and would welcome opinions from Dr Walt and others please. I have read a lot in the archives and a few years ago the general consensus was that the metagenic diet was correct and that the blood type diet was - shall we say 'rubbish'. I don't know what to think. All I want is to eat the right stuff for me. I have read about Dr Cabot's diet, the low carb diet, the metagenic diet, blood type diet and they all say different things about what the body should be getting. Could it possibly be that they are all wrong because they can't all be right. I am not trying to lose weight - I am not overweight. I have some digestive problems and was thinking of having allergy tests - York Testing Services (www.allergy-testing.com/prinprick.html) do this. You get a home-kit and send in the blood strip and they tell you all the goods to which you are intolerant. Having said that, I may not have any intolerances. It could be I should be on the "hunter-gatherer" diet, or my liver need de-tox, or I should eat what my blood type suggests.
With what has happened with HRT recently and the other chap telling everyone for 20 years hi-carb diet is best, I now question everything and every conventional doctor.
Dr Walt, do you still have the same opinion about the blood type diet (ie. it doesn't do for everyone) and if so, can you tell me why. Are you saying that diet is not connected to the blood type at all? On reading the book, I must say it all sounds so logical and believable but so many other things have been that and turned out to be a load of bunkum! Just wish I could find out the truth. I have to say, some of the points in Peter's book are inconsistent. I found lots of things like that - one was as AB Blood Type, I should not eat oranges. He even went on to explain that AB's don't produce much stomach acid and oranges irritate the stomach lining. Then, blow me down, on the very next page oranges was included as a "neutral" food, explained as being of no benefit but doing no harm. There were lots of inconsistencies like that which make me very sceptical.
Walt, any comments?
In Reply to: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Maz on July 17, 2002 at 08:14:59:
since I wouldn't enjoy eating what the blood type diet says
that I should and all the turn arounds as to what is good
and bad I think that the best thing to do is to do what WE
think is right from all that we read and I don't mean to get
crazy and avoid things that we like and eat things that we
don't. We wouldn't eat something for very long if it
wouldn't stay down and if something tasted delicous we
would have a hard time staying away from it. I think WE
know what is good and bad for us and shouldn't fight it. It
is really depressing to find out that something that we
Thought was benificial wasn't and that also the opposite,
especially if we think we are doing the Right thing and
find out that we weren't.
I find that most things that I think about wether they are
good or bad for me, no matter who says the opposite, I am
usually right. Sometimes many years will pass before I am
proven right and people who just read the news and take it
as gospel think I am crazy or don't know what I am talking
about but I chuckle inside since they are the ones who will
change their opinions and be doing the wrong things till
someone Tells them and they seem like sheep who can't think.
VF
In Reply to: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Maz on July 17, 2002 at 08:14:59:
Maz,
Robert McFerran has a theory that your metabolism is what will most affect what your diet should be. His theory takes into consideration that everyone is different and so everyone will need a different diet, and that the best way to determine that diet is to run an elimination diet to weed out food allergies and determine what end of the metabolic spectrum you inhabit. He does give credence to D'Adamo's lectin theory so included those avoids based on your bloodtype. It might help you to read through those archives - that diet approach has worked beautifully for me (as long as I'm able to stick with it LOL). He came upon his theorys through researching the works of Watson, Wiley and Mansfield...and through observing his own reactions to food and those of folks who came to him for help.
I decided I needed to keep researching and find what felt and sounded right to me. There IS a lot of conflicting info out there, but you will see why the more you read - it's like the blind men describing the elephant - everyone has fixated on his part of the animal!!!
Good luck
~~~8>
In Reply to: Have you read the McFerran archives? posted by labrat on July 17, 2002 at 10:17:15:
Hi labrat,
Yes. I have read those archives and it was what prompted me to ask for opinions. It does conflict with the blood type diet though, and I have to say on the face of it, they both sound so plausible and credible and believable!!! I am fast becoming a sceptic. Why should one of the other be right. I'm trying to get to the truth ie. I want evidence. They both say their diet is the right way to go but where is the scientific evidence?
Thanks for your input.
Maz
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the McFerran archives? posted by Maz on July 17, 2002 at 11:08:32:
For my two-pennorth - have you seen www.metabolictyping.com? Like Robert McFerran it takes the position that we are all different and need to work out what suits us best. It is more subtle than some similar approaches in that it uses 3 or 4 different sets of indicators to come to a conclusion. The book isn't published here in the UK until September. In the meantime I would be interested to know whether anyone has used metabolic typing and how they found it.
In Reply to: Re: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Vince F on July 17, 2002 at 08:49:50:
I know what you mean Vince - all those years that butter was supposed to be bad for you and margarine the right thing to eat. Now we know that a natural product is far better than any over-processed and made poisonous (and highly profitable) in the process gunk.
In Reply to: Re: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Sue on July 17, 2002 at 12:02:42:
Sue, Back around 80' I read in a Heart Assn. newsletter that
they were studying margarine since they thought it caused
cancer. That made butter taste Even better and margarine
worse. I didn't avoid margarine like the plague but was
uncomfortable when out and that was all that was available.
I eat prepared foods with trans fats but not like I used
to. I figure that a little won't kill me.
In that newsletter they listed fats and oils and at the
time, olive oil was considered the worst. That Didn't make
sense to me by the #'s on mono and polyunsaturated fats. It
looked like it should fall in the middle. I think that they
say that there are more Mono's in it than what I read but
maybe it is because of different pressings.
Years after Olive was said to be the Best oil I had a Dr
at a Univ. hospital give me a list of foods and Olive was
said to be avoided. I Avoided the Dr since foods weren't
the olny things he was wrong about. That is why they don't
like educated patients.
VF
In Reply to: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Maz on July 17, 2002 at 08:14:59:
Here's how WAPF explains why ER4YT diet may be beneficial: http://www.westonaprice.org/book_reviews/eat_right.html
In Reply to: Re: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Vince F on July 17, 2002 at 08:49:50:
Good point. It sure seems that everyone has just a little different chemical makeup for some reason so the "one diet fits all" does not apply. Interesting book, I have noticed that some of my friends that are blood type "O", really do love meat and saturated fats and shun at the sight of vegetables. And my type "A" friends could live on fruits, vegetables, grains forever. So maybe there is some tie to blood type and diet, however, I feel the "do's and don'ts" of the diet are way too strict. I agree we know what is best for our bodies.
In Reply to: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Maz on July 17, 2002 at 08:14:59:
Thanks, Maz.
What I AM saying is that the tests to determine which of all these diets will work for that individual have not yet been devised---although the Human Genome Project is promising that eventually they WILL be available.
Of course the blood type diet works for some people but the only way to tell if you are one of those people is to try it for a few months. If you feel a lot better you are on the right track. If not, this is not for you.
This is intelligently using your own personal chemical laboratory (your bodymind) to answer these questions. The same thing is still true of the Atkins Diet, etc.
About the HRT flap: I have tried to clarify my present position about HRT within the past week. Within 2 months there will be an HRT archives for this controversy.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Vince F on July 17, 2002 at 08:49:50:
VF, I believe you're absolutely right on continuing to choose eating what your convictions dictate.
However, some people would confuse what is good for them with what seems to be beneficial. People who crave sugar invaribale decry a rich dessert as 'wonderful' for them. The same goes for a huge plate of pasta.
Also, some truly beneficial foods may not manifest their healthful properties until some time into the future. How do you personally monitor those unless under a strictly controlled experiment ? And of course, the converse applies.
Regards.
In Reply to: Re: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Petecito on July 18, 2002 at 12:59:29:
I crave sweets at times thought not super sweet ones but
then sometimes just the thought of something sweet would
nauseate me and I knew that I needed food since nothing else
would satisfy. I did eat the sweets when I would drink
coffee at a diner I used to frequent and if I didn't the
coffee alone would bother my stomach. Coffee was usually
too strong for me and when they switched brands and I had to
have it cut with water I switeched to tea which I controled
the strength and stoped needing to eat something.
I usually found out that the foods that I craved and ate
were ones that supplied complete nutrition even though I
don't eat a wide variety of vegitables I seemed to like the
right ones or combinations. I have always used a good bit
of salt to the dismay of people who can't tolerate much. I
developed a problem where I needed to take salt Very often
to function in the heat. It was around the time that the
salt warnings started. I had no choice if I wanted to
function and my Dr agreed though he didn't know why I needed
it and didn't seem to know things that I Thought that he
should. I used it and managed while my dad who quit using
it and looked like I felt without it, had a massive heart
attack soon after that I am convinced was caused by stoping
salt use.
I might be more sensitive than most but I feel that I
can tell pretty fast when something is right for me or
needed. I don't wait very long when trying something to
decide wether it will do anything. Many say that it will
take months but for me it is usually minutes or at worst
a day or 2 and the things that are Supposed to take months
have worked in a day when what is Needed with them is added
and sometimes a certain brand is what is or works fast.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type posted by Mandy on July 17, 2002 at 21:02:21:
I am AB- and as a kid i ate mostly meat and potatoes. I ate
some veggies but the other things seemed to fuel my
activities and I was Very active and did extreme physical
things. I think that I went for higher density foods since
salad seemed like a waste of time and energy to eat and I
only ate the dark green parts if I ate it since they had
more flavor. I used to eat more fruits as a kid but seem to
only like them cooked somehow now. Some will give me gas
if not. I don't see that as a problem since I like to do
whatever keeps my digestion working well. Oranges became too
acidy but I found that Vit C is in Many things that I eat,
Even peas and liver so we don't have to eat One special
item to get a particular nutrient. I Do try to think of
foods that I haven't eaten in a while that I might need or
maybe I start craving it because of a need. I like spinach
but don't eat it often but I have seen myself eat it Very
often and then get tired of it and not eat it for months.
We can store some nutrients so maybe I was full and
couldn't store anymore of what was in it that I did.
I never worried about wether I was eating right and when
questioned I found that I was and since I was in excellent
health though a Dr who gave me a physical insisted that
No One was till he tested me and said that I was where I
told Him that no one was and insisted till he started to
laugh. After an injury that messed up all my body systems
and I had to find what I could eat without severe pains or
reactions and found things that within minutes gave me
relief and then got rid of the sensitivities, I can eat
anything that I want to again, except Bad food which I have
run into often when eating out.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the McFerran archives? posted by Maz on July 17, 2002 at 11:08:32:
You can read the works of George Watson and Rudolf Wiley both the McFerran diet and the Metabolic Typing Diet that Sue refers to are based on their research...John Mansfield developed the Elimination Diet part of the McFerran information (Robert modified it slightly) based on HIS research.
I have to admit, I haven't read the books I'm referring to here...I did read D'Adamo's book and have done both diets, the ER4YT and McFerran's version of the Hunter Gatherer diet including the Elimination diet. I did have luck on the D'Adamo diet, and saw great improvement with it. I know a few folks who did not. In the end I picked the one I felt was better for me and seemed more plausible.
McFerran seems to work with those who seek his help and was in the process of learning himself it seemed. D'Adamo's approach was more rigid and frankly argumentative - if someone didn't succeed with his plan, he somehow dismissed them as either not following directions or just being difficult...Gregory has noted the "wild west" atmosphere of that board and I remember it well!
As far as why/how one is right and the other wrong- well, they really can't both be right. Either blood type is the best indicator of what your diet should be, or your inherited metabolism is. The basic premise of each diet is different.
To me, simply defined, if a theory has a 75% "success" rate, then it failed as a theory. It may still help 75% of those who fit it, and that's certainly good, but scientifically, if it's not 100% then one has to say it's wrong!
Good luck - just give one of the diets a try. The D'Adamo one is certainly easier since it doesn't include the "discovery" (elimination and provocation) phase that the McFerran diets necessitate, and if you're in th 75% then you're fine!
~~~8>
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