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Posted by Julie on August 17, 2002 at 07:25:11:

Dear Dr. Stoll,
Many thanks to you for your excellent BB. I have been reading it on and off for about the past year. I have thoroughly reviewed the archives with regard to candida, and lgs. I am a 35 yr old woman, who has sufferred with psoriasis for the past 11 years. I have also had difficulty with allergies to many substances; I received allergy shots for three years with some great relief. I am obese; at least 100 pounds overweight, and suffer from fatigue much of the time. I am addicted to sugar and other refined carbohydrates. I start a diet, stick with it for a short time, then it is back to my old destructive habits again. Thanks to your excellent BB, I have figured out that I have a bad case of candida and lgs. If all the other symptoms were not enough to confirm it, the cutaneous yeast on my skin really did (tinea cruris). But, as you say, nothing put on the skin is a cure-all; the cure starts inside the body. (At this point I cannot ignore what my body is telling me; I am unhealthy). I have Beth Loiselle's book about whole foods and also the relaxation workbook, and am reading so that I can achieve a state of wellness. My question to you is this: how can I best feed my children? Would the whole foods diet be beneficial for them? (My two year old has a small patch of eczema on his leg) Also, are there any particular vitamins or supplements that I should be giving them. I so want them to have healthy habits, and a healthy body from the very beginning. They are essentially healthy kids now. Trey (2yrs) has had 3 ear infections; none for 6 months. Dylan (3yrs) has had 3 sinus infections. Both were treated with anti-biotics. No other health issues for them. Thank you so much. Julie



Re: children's nutrition/c-rs

Posted by R. on August 17, 2002 at 15:13:19:

In Reply to: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by Julie on August 17, 2002 at 07:25:11:

Having lived for a long time with an idea that food needs to be nourishing, I can't fathom why anyone would think that refined food could be beneficial to maintaining vibrant health. Refined (not whole) food, by definition, is lacking nutrients. Of course, whole foods would be good for them.

I would strongly recommend that you peruse Weston Price Foundation's web site (http://www.westonaprice.org/), and follow dietary recommendations in a book called Nourishing Traditions. The WAPF's site has a section specifically on children health -- http://www.westonaprice.org/children/children.html

As far as I know, eczema can be effectively treated by balancing EFAs. Supplementing with nutrient dense cod liver oil and butter oil should help. Weston Price found that supplementing with both was excellent. Here's a quote from Nourishing Traditions, p. 472:
"Dr. Price was often called to the bedsides of dying individuals, when last rites were being administered. He brought with him two things---a bottle of cod liver oil and a bottle of high vitamin butter oil from cows eating growing grass. He put drops of both under the tongue of the patient--and more often than not the patient revived. He was puzzled by the fact that cod liver alone and butter oil alone seldom revived the dying patient--but the two together worked like magic."

I believe that could help you with psoriasis too. Food sufficient in nutrients, including but not limited to protein and fats, will allow you to eliminate your sugar addiction.

I would also recommend that you contact your local WAPF chapter to get more information, especially on obtaining good foods.

EFT (http://www.emofree.com/) might help you eliminate bad habits. Dr. Mercola is very enthusiastic about it -- http://www.mercola.com/article/eft.htm

Do your children have dental problems (including cavities)? That's an indicator of overall malnourishment, according to Dr. Price's observations.



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Posted by Julie on August 17, 2002 at 22:31:55:

In Reply to: Re: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by R. on August 17, 2002 at 15:13:19:

Thank you so much for your response. I perused Dr. Price's website as suggested and found it quite informative. I was under the impression that soy products, and a lower-fat diet would be beneficial for children, but I was mistaken. Also, I think I am starting to get the idea about whole foods, now. My children, so far, do not have cavities. They have beautiful teeth, and appear robustly healthy. There are great improvements that need to be made in diet, however. I have tended to take the easy way out, in terms of quick-fix food. They love the chicken nuggets, you know the ones with all the chemicals and preservatives. But no more for them! My sons prefer the foods that are not good for them. (chicken nuggets, the older son will not touch a vegetable,except beets) The only thing that I can think of to do would be to introduce the whole foods diet in Loiselle's book; if they are hungry they will eat. Is this a good approach?



Re: children's nutrition/c-rs

Posted by R. on August 18, 2002 at 00:29:05:

In Reply to: Re: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by Julie on August 17, 2002 at 22:31:55:

if they are hungry they will eat. Is this a good approach?

I am not an expert on dealing with children, but that is probably what I would do. After a short transition period (until they get hungry), they will eat whatever you give them.

There are ways to make delicious healthy meals, and Loiselle's book is not the only one that discusses that. I actually have not read it as Nourishing Traditions was enough for me. I live alone and am an adult, so I can decide to eat what I think is good. It's probably different with children. You can get more help and support at native-nutrition yahoo group. You will have to register to participate (it's free). You can do that at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/native-nutrition/.

If you are sure that veggies are a must for your children, you will probably be able to find a way to make them palatable. There numerous kinds of veggies and ways to prepare and combine them. Lacto-fermenting is one of them. That will provide beneficial microflora and make them more digestible too. Unlike what you obviously believe, veggies are not necessary. They certainly contain many good things, but they are not necessary for good health. There have been endogenous people that didn't consume much plants if at all; however, they possessed great health. Masai and Inuit were two of them. I've read that Masai said that grass was for cows, and they eat mostly meat, milk (up to two quarts a day), and blood.

As far as chicken nuggets are concerned, you should be able to find a way to cook chicken yourself so that it's tasty. Buy a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price (or download it for free at http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0203cat/020314price/020314toc.html) and show your boy pictures of what bad nutrition does to people's health. If you understand it well yourself, you might be able to convince your son to listen to you. I don't really know if he is old enough to understand that. Take a look at pictures and explanations in one of the book's chapters -- PRIMITIVE AND MODERNIZED NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS.

Starting giving some raw animal foods is also a good idea. You may begin with raw egg yolks. They are pretty tasty. If they won't eat them plain, you could just add them to other dishes. But keep them fresh.

Raw (unpasteurized) milk (or kefir or yogurt made with them) could be great for them. Needless to say, free from artificial hormones, antibiotics, etc.



Re: Nourishing Traditions

Posted by Julie on August 19, 2002 at 00:33:11:

In Reply to: Re: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by R. on August 18, 2002 at 00:29:05:

Dear R.,
Thank you so much for all the excellent information. Dr. Price's work on nutrition and physical degeneration are impressive. I really feel as though I am learning nutrition all over again. I have a Master's degree and am in the medical profession, and it seems as though many of the things that I learned in school and in the hospital have been erroneous, damaging, even. Actually, everything that I have learned has been toppled over, and I am rebuilding now. Thank you so much for your help. I can't wait to buy Nourishing Traditions; I have already been able to obtain some recipes, and can't wait to begin a new plan of healthy eating for my family.



Re: children's nutrition/c-rs

Posted by
Cheezi on August 19, 2002 at 01:33:18:

In Reply to: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by Julie on August 17, 2002 at 07:25:11:

Hi, Julie.

I know that feeding children a healthy diet is quite a challenge. But, as you say, if they're hungry, they'll eat! I've run a group home daycare out of my home for the last 15yrs and have definitely come to this conclusion! As close to a whole foods diet as you can get is your best bet. Although, I don't believe that soy is a bad choice for children nor adults. One of my daycare children had really nasty Eczema when he came to us and we were able to clear that up in about 5 weeks with supplements. E-mail me and I'll try to help.



Re: children's nutrition/c-rs

Posted by R. on August 19, 2002 at 02:40:17:

In Reply to: Re: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by Cheezi on August 19, 2002 at 01:33:18:

What form of soy are you talking about? Fermented or not? Do you not believe that unfermented soy contains a lot of antinutrients or that toxins are produced during processing of soy protein? If so, can you support your belief with some evidence? Here is a description of why soy may be bad for children and adults.

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Posted by Walt Stoll on August 19, 2002 at 09:14:54:

In Reply to: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by Julie on August 17, 2002 at 07:25:11:

Thanks, Julie.

Healthy diets for kids begins with the parent's example. Perhaps, since you have not been able to do this for yourself, you might gain additional incentive by doing it for your kids.

The first thing to do is to be sure there is nothing but whole ofds in the house. The second thing to so it to get a good spice primer from the health food store, or cooking utensil store, so that everything you cook will be VERY tasty.

Just think, if your parents had known about this, and had cared enough to change their diet, and therefore yours, NONE of the conditions you describe would have ever happened to you, Your life would have been totally different. It is not too late for you and is just the right time for your kids.

Listen to R. EXCEPT insert "not" in the appropriate place in the first line.

For the psorisis and the eczema, in the meantime, the EFAs.

Walt

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Re: Nourishing Traditions

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 20, 2002 at 07:30:28:

In Reply to: Re: Nourishing Traditions posted by Julie on August 19, 2002 at 00:33:11:

Congratulations, Julie!

I had to go through the exact same process to get where I am. It is hard but you DEFINITELY will not be sorry.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: children's nutrition/c-rs (Archive in diet.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 20, 2002 at 07:35:58:

In Reply to: Re: children's nutrition/c-rs posted by Cheezi on August 19, 2002 at 01:33:18:

Thanks, Cheezi.

You are stating the principle here that I have espoused for years--and had to learn with my own children: When they are hungry, children eat what you put before them. Parents who care need to stop being brainwashed by the TV as to what their children "want".

Everyone knows that the children's nutrition in this country is far out of control and it is directly due to advertizing and parents "doing what seems easiest at the time".

Namaste`

Walt

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