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I don't remember if I've already written about this here but anyway... I've attended a lecture by some personal trainer/something else. This man had some interesting things to say. One of them was that HOW you eat is far more important than WHAT you eat. By HOW you eat he meant how frequently and in what mood.
He believes that eating frequently is very good. He had a fat client who ate only once a day, consuming all day's worth of food in one meal. The trainer had him spread his meals so that he ate about every 3 hours, and without changing what he ate, the man lost his extra weight pretty fast. Then he improved what he ate.
He also said that mood affects what our bodies do with food. When in a bad mood (under stress), our bodies tend to store larger portions of meals as fat (possibly thinking that bad times are coming and food needs to be stored), whereas they tend to spend more energy on activities and repair processes when we eat while being happy.
He certainly thought that what you eat is important too but not as much as how you eat. So prioritized your actions properly.
I thought this might be useful to some.
In Reply to: WHAT you eat vs HOW you eat posted by R. on August 26, 2002 at 16:07:36:
In Reply to: WHAT you eat vs HOW you eat posted by R. on August 26, 2002 at 16:07:36:
Certainly, having a good mood is important for our health when eating (and doing everything else in life, for that matter). I can't think of any activity that benefits us if we do it in a bad mood--even in fights, a relative better mood than your opponents would put you in a better position.
As to the frequency of eating, I'm not so sure about eating more frequently is better for health for everyone. Looking at the animal world, it seems meat eaters usually have bigger but fewer meals, while plant-eaters graze all day. Our close cousins--the primates--also seem to nibble all day (as least as seen in nature shows).
For humans, I've seen either way having good and bad results on different people. Some people snack all day and of course, they are unhealthy and overweight. Some others who eat only one or two meals a day, are also fat and unhealthy. Yet some others who eat only once a day are in great physical and mental and spiritual shape; while others who eat all the time also seem fit and healthy.
So it seems there is no "one size fits all" rule in this matter, because of the many variables such as life style, metabolic rate, genetic make-up, etc. Which leads us back to the universal truth: whatever works for you is the best way. But I dare say, no matter how many times we eat, WHAT we eat is always important. In other words, you can be as ecstatic as possible about a big mac combo all day and everyday, enjoying it at THE optimal frequency, you still won't reach the health level that you can reach with good whole foods.
In Reply to: WHAT you eat vs HOW you eat posted by R. on August 26, 2002 at 16:07:36:
Thank You everyone, isn't it great that all of us together have a piece of the puzzle!
Definetly when eating healthy foods with a bad attitude and fighting with someone in the family can upset what your eating. Your digestive track is off and you usually won't eliminate your food as well. The emotional relm does play an important part;
Thank You for reminding all of us!
I find sitting and doing a prayer, and feeling my body out and letting it know that food is coming in soon, and then i feel and see everything calm, [internal organs], down works well; Sometimes the fast pace many of us move at, needs to be calmed down a bit before eating;
In Reply to: WHAT you eat vs HOW you eat posted by R. on August 26, 2002 at 16:07:36:
I think the HOW part should also include how well we chew our food, how fast/slow we eat, how we combine the food, and how much we are eating at one meal.
In Reply to: Some additions on HOW posted by bing on August 27, 2002 at 14:21:41:
And, how conscious we are about what we are chewing and swallowing. I like to picture the lifegiving energy going into my body and picture light filling me and permeating my cells. If I am eating an animal or animal product, I give thanks to that animal that it gave up its life to enrich mine. I am still trying to master that one without feeling guilt.
In Reply to: Re: Some additions on HOW posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 14:33:03:
Find an effective and easy to do technique to let go of that feeling of guilt you have.
I've been experimenting with a Release technique that can be done very fast and invisible to others. I seems quite effective to me. I've been trying it for many things lately. I was introduced to it by Hale Dwoskin during a Centerpointe retreat. It was amazing how quickly some people were able to let go of very long standing emotional problems. Some people even cried because they finally felt free of whatever they had been stuck in. And it sometimes took only a few seconds, maybe a couple of minutes if issues were complex. The additional time was spent on finding out what a particular issue was. The Sedona Method (http://www.sedona.com/).
You may also try EFT (www.emofree.com).
In Reply to: Re: WHAT you eat vs HOW you eat posted by Terri-Lynn on August 27, 2002 at 12:19:54:
I think that the standard prayers done before meals were designed to create the effect you are talking about -- to calm people down. These prayers usually involve thanking God for food, etc. Heartmath Institute conducted experiments that show profound effects of feeling of appreciation (and love and other things, for that matter) on one's physiological state.
But simple (meaning dumb, here) people probably couldn't comprehend that idea, so they were told to pray before meals and do other things or they would go to hell.
In Reply to: Feeling of guilt posted by Ð. on August 27, 2002 at 17:36:20:
Thanks D!
I bookmarked the Sedona site for later reading and I downloaded the EFT book to read later also. But, before I let go of that feeling, I have to rationalize why it is irrational. I'm not convinced that it is o.k. to eat our fellow creatures. I'm researching that and not coming up with much resolution.
PS - How did you make that neat D. symbol?
In Reply to: Some additions on HOW posted by bing on August 27, 2002 at 14:21:41:
That is, of course, is a part of it. And the article at Dr. Mercola's site stresses that.
The Saccharin Disease book also talks quite a lot about that:
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 17:56:25:
I must have had Cyrillic keyboard layout turned on when I typed R. What you say appears as D in your browser appears as P in my browser.
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 17:56:25:
I've come accross something that might help you rationalize that. When I find it, I will post it. Meanwhile, would you explain why you feel it is not o.k. to eat "our fellow creatures"?
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by R. on August 27, 2002 at 23:43:24:
Donna, do you have the book Nourishing Traditions? If so, read page 30 -- it might give you some food for thought.
If you can verbalize your feeling of guilt clearly, then we might be able to discuss it. However, if your feeling is just that, a feeling, than no amount of reasoning will help you explain it away, and you will always live with the destructive feeling hanging around (that is if you eat animals). In that case you should just let it go as a regular fear.
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 17:56:25:
Assuming you could talk to the animals, you would find out that they have NO guuilt
or compunction over "eating their fellow creature." Fellow Creature dies, I live another day.
In the case of "herbivores" -Plant dies, I live another day. It is a food chain, and nature
In Reply to: A supporting article from Dr. Mercola posted by R. on August 27, 2002 at 02:26:08:
Thanks, R.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 17:56:25:
Thanks guys for talking to me about this. This is why I feel bad and guilty over eating animals:
I know they have a soul and I feel it's wrong to extinguish another living to soul to eat it when I could survive well enough not eating any animals.
I think about two specific instances when saying that I know animals have souls, these may sound really silly to you, but they both touch my heart.
One is, when I was about 12 my parents bought a calf to raise and then slaughter. I made friends with this calf and every time I would go into the pasture, he would come running over and rub up against me. I have a gift with animals and they trust me and love me and know that I would never hurt them. I was away at school the day they came and butcherd him in the pasture and that was the last day I saw him. Later on, he ended up on my plate and I ate him That never sat right with me.
Second is, I have had many pets, cats, dogs, goat, horses. I had this one favorite cat that I was especially bonded with and every night we had a ritual. She would sit on my lap and I would brush her. She would always take her paw and touch my face and look deeply into my eyes and talk to me. This sounds really corny, I know, but it's true and I loved that cat so much.
I do realize that animals eat each other and they eat us too, sometimes. But, we as humans and the highest life form on this earth have the responsibility to take care of the other life forms, not rape them and destroy them.
So, that's my thought process and I haven't read anything that can take my mind off of the fact that they are given a life by the same God that gave us a life and he gave them a mind and soul just like us. They procreate, they love their offspring and they defend their lives and the lives of their offspring just like we do. They scream when they're hurt and they scream when they are being murdered.
I was really trying to dismiss this when cooking from the Sally Fallon book, but lately it has really been getting to me.
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by Donna E. on August 28, 2002 at 11:50:02:
Perhaps you should have a talk with God as to why he set it up so that humans ingest other
1. Stay at the top and
2. What to do with all the other critters.
Your other diatribe leaves a lot to be desired -the Warm & Fuzzy arguement. Since you point
Technically speaking, animals have a "group soul" (although I question this myself) but
If you can get by on murdered plants, then by all means do so. Some of us are carnivores
Yeah. Right.
Like you wouldn't eat meat normally, but you're forced to. Bridge in Brooklyn
On the plains of the Serengeti, it's kill or be killed.
There you sit in your home, far away from the primoridal action, making philosophical
One last thing to ponder. Plants have a soul too. They scream their ultrasonic
The setup is, everything eats something else to survive. That's just the way it is.
I should consider carefully how opposed you are to eating food on a philosophical basis.
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by Gregory on August 28, 2002 at 13:48:06:
O.K., I didn't understand your entire post, but I will respond to the parts I did understand. Please bear with me, I am really confused about this issue.
First, I want to make it clear that I don't judge anyone that eats meat. I do judge the way animals are treated commercially. I still eat chicken and a little beef sometimes. But, I don't eat very much and it has a hard time going down because of my emotions around it. I admit that my reasoning is emotionally charged. But, an emotionally charged argument is not always an illogical argument, as you seem to equate.
I don't understand why God set things up the way they are. I don't understand a lot of things, especially about God. Nothing you said makes any of what I am thinking and feeling go away.
Maybe you could help me by answering a question. Say we're in a culture that eats dogs. Say you love dog meat and swear that it is necessary for your health. Imagine, killing your pet dog and eating it. I don't think you'd be able to do it because you know he is a person/soul, you love him and he loves you. But, could you eat a dog that you had no emotional attachment to and do not know? If yes, then what would stop you from eating your own dog and why? Since part of your logic involves saying everything eats something else to survives, then why do we stop at certain things? Why don't we just eat anything that will give us proper nutrients? And why are we so taken aback by cultures that do eat cats and dogs. How about cultures that eat monkeys? How about cultures that are cannibalistic? Why is that so horrific to us if your logic is correct? I see no difference between cats, dogs, cows and anything else with eyes, lips and a face.
So rejection of food is the beginning of a food disorder, but what constitutes food? Anything that isn't poisonous and gives our bodies nutrients is food. But, we all reject something without being classified as having a food or eating disorder.
In Reply to: WHAT you eat vs HOW you eat posted by R. on August 26, 2002 at 16:07:36:
I think people can be different in what works for them. I only eat one meal a day and snack in between. If I eat a lot in that meal I will gain weight. I eat when hungry and if I want to loose I have to avoid or delay snacks and have to watch how much I eat in the meal. My limited functioning
People with really bad habits need to be told what to do but I always ate one big meal at mid day and I stayed thin. My dad used to eat a lot of small meals and was thin. We functioned differently where he had a slow, steady pace and did things by the clock while I liked geting things done and resting and eating when things were done. My dad would have to stop at noon and other times to eat while I would work through to get something done and then eat and relax.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Feeling of guilt posted by Donna E. on August 28, 2002 at 14:28:45:
Donna,
Here's my take on it. If you think you can have good health without eating animals, then go for it. If you cannot, then it means that you are designed to eat them, and you would go against your nature (or God if you believe he/she/it created you) if you decide not to eat them. In that case, it is justified to deal with your feeling of guilt as an irrational feeling that should be let go of as a blockage on your way to health and happiness -- just as you would try to (I hope) let go of emotional trauma of being raped, for example.
And why are we so taken aback by cultures that do eat cats and dogs.
Not everybody. I am not, for one.
The reason I would not kill my pet bird because I want him as my pet, not food. I don't think eating him would go against any laws of our Universe, but I simply like having him as my pet and choose not eat him.
I could eat a dog that I had no emotional attachment to if I liked dog's meat and/or considered it good food.
The bottom line is that you should probably stop eating meat if you have strong feeling against it, or you might hurt yourself.
or GOD if you want to be specific, set it up this way. There
is nothing wrong with this, and your guilt is misplaced possibly useless and this is the
prevailing system. This is how it works.
Nature, red in tooth and claw, and of course survival
of the fittest. If survival was still a matter of hunting and or gathering, you wouldn't survive
very long with those kind of thoughts. The rules haven't changed much but I will point out that
it is only because you don't have to
go out and do some hunting that you can afford to have the thoughts you are having.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Posted by Gregory on August 28, 2002 at 13:48:06:
living things as food rather than just soak up the rays of the sun like a plant. Your use
of emotionally -charged but inaccurate words like "rape" make this an emotional rather
than logical issue. Humans, at the top of the food chain decide how best to
Do I think the handling so far has be exeplary> Nope. Not by a long shot. Needs improvement.
out that it is silly, I won't address that aspect of it, but will point out that as a
general rule, humans have a marked perference as eating material, *other* warm and
fuzzy creatures like itstelf. In a pinch, alligator, but those mammals sure do taste
good!
regardless of soul status, lots of animals will die. Humans, often through no
discernable fault of their own will also die. In fact I can look soulfully into the
eyes of the drunk driver, and still end up just as dead.
and don't feel the least appologetic about it. Oh I know it's in vogue to be PC and
say in effect [cue whining voice] "but I have to eat meat! I'm a genetic throwback!"
for sale. Email me for details.
decisions about what to eat. Far back in time, and closer to the action, the choice was
made for you in the harsh currency of the day.
death screams, which mercifully you can't hear, and thus feel it it "ok" to eat
them with nary a 2nd thought.
Your guilt about it doesn't change anything and in fact may be a hinderance to your health.
Rejection of food is the first stage of a food disorder.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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is the reson. When I recovered from an injury years ago I had to really increase activity and really cut calories to loose so.I lost 25 lbs in 3 weeks and everyone tells me that I had to put it back on after I went back to more normal routeins but I didn't because I was able to do more with less weight and not tire as fast.
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